HOW RIGGED IS THE NRL

[hank37w]

I don't buy into the rigged hypothesis but can someone tell me why referees are advised of the penalty count during the game? I can't think of one reason that a referee would want to know the count mid-game unless there is a desire from above that the count not be a blowout either way.

Make the calls on what you see and let the penalty count be what it is.

The thing that really bugs me is when they even up a penalty count after the game is virtually gone.

 

[Kerry_Cogger]

Don’t waste your time mate, facts are Kerry’s forte.

Hah!
As I expected, the only figure he came back with is **<big>0</big>**

Not wasting my time with you two bums.

Thats OK…you can run away, we'll still pull you up on your BS
How those figures re: the 90/10s?
Lets see the definitive details

The proof is in the last 20 years of Rugby League.If you cant see that not my problem.You don't want facts you just want to get into 2 year old skirmishes.Im not into that crap.

 

[Kerry_Cogger]

Don’t waste your time mate, facts are Kerry’s forte.

Hah!
As I expected, the only figure he came back with is **<big>0</big>**

Not wasting my time with you two bums.

Thats OK…you can run away, we'll still pull you up on your BS
How those figures re: the 90/10s?
Lets see the definitive details

Also I said I was gonna fix this crap re referees bullshit and don't worry pal as you sit here dribbling on this forum I'm fixin this crap in the real world.GreenBerg has said the referees are on much more notice now and just watch the next few weeks/months big changes ahead.You will see.

 

[happy_tiger]

Not sure the bias is intentional, although I feel there may be some unconscious leniency from the refs towards the traditionally 'better' teams (Melb, Roosters and particularly Broncs). As we know, all teams change each year and quality can yo-yo but there are certain teams that seem to get the rub of the green more often.

Out of curiosity, here is a reply I (finally) received from the NRL after sending them a 'please explain' email months back…

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Thanks for your email.

There are always going to be subjective calls that are made in Rugby League but be assured referees make them on the basis of the facts as they see them not on the basis of who the team is. You are perfectly entitled to disagree with certain refereeing decisions but it is wrong to suggest that their decisions would be influenced by any consideration other than what they thought was the appropriate ruling at the time.

The reality is that refereeing is one of those areas that is never going to be completely free of controversy and debate.

As a game, it is important that we support the referees and we will continue to provide resources to assist officials in all areas of the code, not only to ensure that the referees we have provide accurate decision making, but also to ensure we continue to attract new officials to the game.
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We will continue to monitor the feedback from clubs, players and fans to ensure we can continue to improve the standard of officiating in Rugby League. We will ensure your feedback is registered.

Thanks again for taking the time to write to us and for your passionate support of Rugby League.

Kind regards

Robert

Supporter Liaison

I do not believe that ref goes out and says stuff it I got 20 on the Broncos I'm gonna rort the Tigers today.But what most certainly does happen is the circus that is the NRL FOR 20 FREAKING YEARS.Rip off a team with all the boardroom support straight down to
Perfect example back in the day Geoff Toovey, blokes team would lose by 2 points but win its tenth straight penalty count 12-4 would scream "there needs to be an investigation".Said ref straight to reserves all the while we were the type of club that would cop it royally and not jack squat would happen.

Just on your Geoff Toovey example, in the game in question Manly lost to Souths 22-10\. Penalty count was 10-5 to Souths. Refs Shayne Hayne and Henry Perenara both had 1st grade games the next week.

I get that you feel the game is rigged and are trying to outline why. As I stated in previous posts in this thread I disagree with you however would be interested in hear a rational argument as to why it is.

Others have outlined why Brisbane get so many prime time games.

It’s also been suggested that Melbourne have done well due to having three of the best players in key positions and are well coached. (Personally I don’t like their club or style of footy however you have to give credit where it is due)

Manly and Souths have been up and down for a while now.

Easts go all in on top line players trying to buy a premiership and have a few years of success followed by a bad season. They also have lots of inner city contacts that allows them to stretch the cap with TPAs - not fair but within the current rules.

In regards to refs I have outlined in a previous thread how I feel this needs to be addressed at a junior level to improve quality and keep promising young refs in the game.

Yeah but the post match reactions of the Toovey's , Haslers ,Stuarts , Bellamy's ,Bennett's etc are why they end up winning penalty counts

Shouldn't happen but refs are human and their employment is the biggest importance to themselves when push comes to shove

Who would you rather comes hunting you post match as a ref , Toov's or IC ??

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

I do not believe that ref goes out and says stuff it I got 20 on the Broncos I'm gonna rort the Tigers today.But what most certainly does happen is the circus that is the NRL FOR 20 FREAKING YEARS.Rip off a team with all the boardroom support straight down to
Perfect example back in the day Geoff Toovey, blokes team would lose by 2 points but win its tenth straight penalty count 12-4 would scream "there needs to be an investigation".Said ref straight to reserves all the while we were the type of club that would cop it royally and not jack squat would happen.

Just on your Geoff Toovey example, in the game in question Manly lost to Souths 22-10\. Penalty count was 10-5 to Souths. Refs Shayne Hayne and Henry Perenara both had 1st grade games the next week.

I get that you feel the game is rigged and are trying to outline why. As I stated in previous posts in this thread I disagree with you however would be interested in hear a rational argument as to why it is.

Others have outlined why Brisbane get so many prime time games.

It’s also been suggested that Melbourne have done well due to having three of the best players in key positions and are well coached. (Personally I don’t like their club or style of footy however you have to give credit where it is due)

Manly and Souths have been up and down for a while now.

Easts go all in on top line players trying to buy a premiership and have a few years of success followed by a bad season. They also have lots of inner city contacts that allows them to stretch the cap with TPAs - not fair but within the current rules.

In regards to refs I have outlined in a previous thread how I feel this needs to be addressed at a junior level to improve quality and keep promising young refs in the game.

Yeah but the post match reactions of the Toovey's , Haslers ,Stuarts , Bellamy's ,Bennett's etc are why they end up winning penalty counts

Shouldn't happen but refs are human and their employment is the biggest importance to themselves when push comes to shove

Who would you rather comes hunting you post match as a ref , Toov's or IC ??

Much rather have to talk to Ivan :laughing: Toovey would be a bit much and the conversation would be unproductive.

Yep refs are human and will respond to and reflect on things especially if they are in their face in the media. Maybe the media should give them more positive feedback when they are doing well and it might reinforce what they should be doing.

 

[happy_tiger]

Just on your Geoff Toovey example, in the game in question Manly lost to Souths 22-10\. Penalty count was 10-5 to Souths. Refs Shayne Hayne and Henry Perenara both had 1st grade games the next week.

I get that you feel the game is rigged and are trying to outline why. As I stated in previous posts in this thread I disagree with you however would be interested in hear a rational argument as to why it is.

Others have outlined why Brisbane get so many prime time games.

It’s also been suggested that Melbourne have done well due to having three of the best players in key positions and are well coached. (Personally I don’t like their club or style of footy however you have to give credit where it is due)

Manly and Souths have been up and down for a while now.

Easts go all in on top line players trying to buy a premiership and have a few years of success followed by a bad season. They also have lots of inner city contacts that allows them to stretch the cap with TPAs - not fair but within the current rules.

In regards to refs I have outlined in a previous thread how I feel this needs to be addressed at a junior level to improve quality and keep promising young refs in the game.

Yeah but the post match reactions of the Toovey's , Haslers ,Stuarts , Bellamy's ,Bennett's etc are why they end up winning penalty counts

Shouldn't happen but refs are human and their employment is the biggest importance to themselves when push comes to shove

Who would you rather comes hunting you post match as a ref , Toov's or IC ??

Much rather have to talk to Ivan :laughing: Toovey would be a bit much and the conversation would be unproductive.

Yep refs are human and will respond to and reflect on things especially if they are in their face in the media. Maybe the media should give them more positive feedback when they are doing well and it might reinforce what they should be doing.

They reffed the rules as we asked and got shot down by all and sundry

Again don't blame the refs /administration , players and coaches look at a new rule and first thing they try and do is rort it to their own advantage

That is where many of the games problems stem from

The Canberra game was shocking don't get me wrong , but some common sense was needed , by someone

Even if they had ruled a 10 metre scrum to the Sharks , I could have lived with that

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Just on your Geoff Toovey example, in the game in question Manly lost to Souths 22-10\. Penalty count was 10-5 to Souths. Refs Shayne Hayne and Henry Perenara both had 1st grade games the next week.

I get that you feel the game is rigged and are trying to outline why. As I stated in previous posts in this thread I disagree with you however would be interested in hear a rational argument as to why it is.

Others have outlined why Brisbane get so many prime time games.

It’s also been suggested that Melbourne have done well due to having three of the best players in key positions and are well coached. (Personally I don’t like their club or style of footy however you have to give credit where it is due)

Manly and Souths have been up and down for a while now.

Easts go all in on top line players trying to buy a premiership and have a few years of success followed by a bad season. They also have lots of inner city contacts that allows them to stretch the cap with TPAs - not fair but within the current rules.

In regards to refs I have outlined in a previous thread how I feel this needs to be addressed at a junior level to improve quality and keep promising young refs in the game.

Yeah but the post match reactions of the Toovey's , Haslers ,Stuarts , Bellamy's ,Bennett's etc are why they end up winning penalty counts

Shouldn't happen but refs are human and their employment is the biggest importance to themselves when push comes to shove

Who would you rather comes hunting you post match as a ref , Toov's or IC ??

Much rather have to talk to Ivan :laughing: Toovey would be a bit much and the conversation would be unproductive.

Yep refs are human and will respond to and reflect on things especially if they are in their face in the media. Maybe the media should give them more positive feedback when they are doing well and it might reinforce what they should be doing.

They reffed the rules as we asked and got shot down by all and sundry

Again don't blame the refs /administration , players and coaches look at a new rule and first thing they try and do is rort it to their own advantage

That is where many of the games problems stem from

The Canberra game was shocking don't get me wrong , but some common sense was needed , by someone

Even if they had ruled a 10 metre scrum to the Sharks , I could have lived with that

100% agree I was a big supporter of how they reffed the game early in the year and was hoping the coaches and players would adapt but the league blinked first.

Flag up in the Cronulla game should have been a scrum. The touchie panicked and didn’t own up to his mistake on the spot - if he does the right call occurs.

 

[Kerry_Cogger]

I do not believe that ref goes out and says stuff it I got 20 on the Broncos I'm gonna rort the Tigers today.But what most certainly does happen is the circus that is the NRL FOR 20 FREAKING YEARS.Rip off a team with all the boardroom support straight down to
Perfect example back in the day Geoff Toovey, blokes team would lose by 2 points but win its tenth straight penalty count 12-4 would scream "there needs to be an investigation".Said ref straight to reserves all the while we were the type of club that would cop it royally and not jack squat would happen.

Just on your Geoff Toovey example, in the game in question Manly lost to Souths 22-10\. Penalty count was 10-5 to Souths. Refs Shayne Hayne and Henry Perenara both had 1st grade games the next week.

I get that you feel the game is rigged and are trying to outline why. As I stated in previous posts in this thread I disagree with you however would be interested in hear a rational argument as to why it is.

Others have outlined why Brisbane get so many prime time games.

It’s also been suggested that Melbourne have done well due to having three of the best players in key positions and are well coached. (Personally I don’t like their club or style of footy however you have to give credit where it is due)

Manly and Souths have been up and down for a while now.

Easts go all in on top line players trying to buy a premiership and have a few years of success followed by a bad season. They also have lots of inner city contacts that allows them to stretch the cap with TPAs - not fair but within the current rules.

In regards to refs I have outlined in a previous thread how I feel this needs to be addressed at a junior level to improve quality and keep promising young refs in the game.

Yeah but the post match reactions of the **Toovey's , Haslers ,Stuarts , Bellamy's ,Bennett's etc** are why they end up winning penalty counts

Shouldn't happen but refs are human and their employment is the biggest importance to themselves when push comes to shove

Who would you rather comes hunting you post match as a ref , Toov's or IC ??

Aah pick the odd one out.Yep that would be the raiders coach(Not the Manly,Easts or Melbourne one)Raiders are forever getting shafted.How come when Ricky was coach of the Roosters he wasn't one tenth as animated as he is with the Raiderss.I mean ricky is a much more mature person now but all of a sudden Ricky cant work out why he aint getting the calls anymore.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I don't buy into the rigged hypothesis but can someone tell me why referees are advised of the penalty count during the game? I can't think of one reason that a referee would want to know the count mid-game unless there is a desire from above that the count not be a blowout either way.

Make the calls on what you see and let the penalty count be what it is.

The thing that really bugs me is when they even up a penalty count after the game is virtually gone.

Spot on. Turned the Broncos v Panthers game on the telly with 10 minutes to go before halftime and within 5 minutes the Panthers received 6 penalties. Was thinking to myself "geez the Broncos never get caned in the penalty count like this at Suncorp- they must have got plenty of penalties in the 1st 30 minutes". Low and behold when they showed the penalty count at halftime break it was 6-6, so the Broncos started the game with the 1st 6 penalties, that is a handy leg-up in any game. Probably a major factor as to why the score was 30-nil or whatever it was midway through the 1st half.

Bottom line is that it is the same teams year after year that get games decided against them with hideous refereeing decisions. Cannot remember any diabolical refereeing decisions costing Broncos, Storm, Roosters, Souths important games at all over the last 6-7 years. It doesn't happen.

 

[innsaneink]

Hah!
As I expected, the only figure he came back with is **<big>0</big>**

Not wasting my time with you two bums.

Thats OK…you can run away, we'll still pull you up on your BS
How those figures re: the 90/10s?
Lets see the definitive details

The proof is in the last 20 years of Rugby League.If you cant see that not my problem.You don't want facts you just want to get into 2 year old skirmishes.Im not into that crap.

Hah!
The last 20 years?
I see 75% of the teams in the comp winning the premiership at least once
If youre saying its rigged so everyone gets one….but naah, repointing to a handful
where figures show otherwise, suggesting only a few get it all
Wipe your chin mate


youre speaking too much crap..

 

[Kerry_Cogger]

Not wasting my time with you two bums.

Thats OK…you can run away, we'll still pull you up on your BS
How those figures re: the 90/10s?
Lets see the definitive details

The proof is in the last 20 years of Rugby League.If you cant see that not my problem.You don't want facts you just want to get into 2 year old skirmishes.Im not into that crap.

Hah!
The last 20 years?
I see 75% of the teams in the comp winning the premiership at least once
If youre saying its rigged so everyone gets one….but naah, repointing to a handful
where figures show otherwise, suggesting only a few get it all
Wipe your chin mate


youre speaking too much crap..

Hmmm intelligent post.How bout you show me some stats to prove otherwise.As I write this we are 4pts outside the 8 from the Broncos.Remember that game at Campbelltown against them where we were absolutely dudded(not my words but the wider rugby league community)against Brisbane.We would now be level with them.

 

[cktiger]

Biggest problem the NRL has is the perception the game is rigged.
You even look at some of these new betting options where if you back sides leading by a certain amount of points, or leading at halftime, you still get paid if they lose.
Every time this happens someone points out the turnaround of penalties or poor ref decisions.
I can't recall so many different supporters saying somethings rotten than this year.
Unfortunately the NRL is very poorly run at the moment - and has been for quite some time.

 

[innsaneink]

Haha yeah the rigged broncos game where the refs boss admitted they made an error.
Rigging something generally includes subterfuge and deception.
Go see a doctor your paranoia is pretty severe

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Biggest problem the NRL has is the perception the game is rigged.
You even look at some of these new betting options where if you back sides leading by a certain amount of points, or leading at halftime, you still get paid if they lose.
Every time this happens someone points out the turnaround of penalties or poor ref decisions.
I can't recall so many different supporters saying somethings rotten than this year.
Unfortunately the NRL is very poorly run at the moment - and has been for quite some time.

I don't think it is deliberately rigged, that is to say I don't think Greenturd is sitting on his throne at NRL HQ with a direct link to the referees instructing them to determine outcomes. Certain teams do appear to have questionable calls that ultimately determine the outcome of a close game in their favour, as do teams that have those calls routinely go against them.

The one thing that has annoyed me this year is that certain games there seems to be a two speed ruck. One team is policed differently to the other. I have felt that we have been victims of this ourselves.

Two referees compounds this also, two referees with two different interpretations which results in inconsistent decision making.

I could cop ref errors if we went back to one ref, removed video assistance and took the ear piece off the referee. Leave him out there on his own for 80 minutes to call the game the way he sees it and without being able to ask what the penalty count is, for mine there is absolutely no reason for a referee to need to ask that question.

 

[jadtiger]

I am not saying there is widespread corruption in the NRL but perceived soft policing of the cap in regards to some clubs and farcical decisions by the match officials seemingly favouring the same clubs is definately leaving some people very disallusioned with the game.
Rugby League is a wonderful product that unfortunately is being tarnished by poor administration.

 

[Tarl]

Yeah but the post match reactions of the Toovey's , Haslers ,Stuarts , Bellamy's ,Bennett's etc are why they end up winning penalty counts

Shouldn't happen but refs are human and their employment is the biggest importance to themselves when push comes to shove

Who would you rather comes hunting you post match as a ref , Toov's or IC ??

Much rather have to talk to Ivan :laughing: Toovey would be a bit much and the conversation would be unproductive.

Yep refs are human and will respond to and reflect on things especially if they are in their face in the media. Maybe the media should give them more positive feedback when they are doing well and it might reinforce what they should be doing.

They reffed the rules as we asked and got shot down by all and sundry

Again don't blame the refs /administration , players and coaches look at a new rule and first thing they try and do is rort it to their own advantage

That is where many of the games problems stem from

The Canberra game was shocking don't get me wrong , but some common sense was needed , by someone

Even if they had ruled a 10 metre scrum to the Sharks , I could have lived with that

100% agree I was a big supporter of how they reffed the game early in the year and was hoping the coaches and players would adapt but the league blinked first.

Flag up in the Cronulla game should have been a scrum. The touchie panicked and didn’t own up to his mistake on the spot - if he does the right call occurs.

Agreed. And interesting how a team like Storm lost 3 out of the first 5 games when the refs where being sticklers, then go on a winning streak when the refs/admin flipped. Some teams know how to play the 'game' and get away with it. Case in point, Cam Smith laying all over the ruck against the Warriors on the weekend and not one penalty…

 

[Guest]

This thread is on its last legs before I close it - Cogger and Ink - Settle down as I won't ask again.

 

[happy_tiger]

Funny listening to Kent and Rothfield talking about the refereeing last night on 360

Claims that they are being told everything on the run

Penalty counts , players back 10 metres , when 4 penalties in a row against a side have occurred

No wonder the poor buggers are confused

And the fact that a demotion is classed as reffing the Warriors v Titans game please …...

Surely a demotion is reffing the Wests v Manly ISP game this weekend at the very least

 

[Kerry_Cogger]

What part did you find funny?

Realising you're serious

Realising I'm Right is months down the track for you it seems.Difference between you and me is I'm gonna do something about this crap while you just continue to sarcastically rip a fan of the same team while we get well and truly F'd over.Ever seen a team told your not the home team this week Souths are now give Sutton everything he wants.This was basically the words from our own CEO a little earlier in the week.

LMAO yeah mate you're right.
What you gonna do about it hey? :laughing:

https://www.smh.com.au/

 

[trafford10]

How did it get to a stage were the refs are in fact a law unto themselves.
They decide who wins games and in fact who plays finals.
The NRL is a joke of an organisation, corrupt to the core.
You blokes have copped it bad this season, like the game against Brisbane when the ref handed the game to Brisbane, who was the ref there Cummings? Those two points would be handy about now.