If Madge fails.....

[avocadoontoast]

It's clearly a team and mental problem. Against both the Titans and Warriors we take an early lead only to then sit back and get out-enthused by weaker teams and allow them back in. Madge was clearly not trying to be complacent, he was giving it to them in the dressing room at half time when we were up! So how can he be blamed for the complacency and lack of effort we saw last night

Agree. Madge knows what it takes to win a grand final, and I'm sure the players aren't shirking their their job at training - Madge has come out and said on plenty of occasions how good he thinks the team is, or at least should be in terms of results. Last night was a mental collapse of sorts, not the first time, it happens far too often which is the problem.

How does he fix the problem though? It's not feasible to clean out the entire roster. That is not the answer. There are certainly some players earning far more than they deserve, and some who provide nothing more than depth.

I know all the teams do boot camps in the off-season for team building and building resilience but Madge and the staff need to work on something to have the players raring to go each week when they step out on the field. It's impossible to be at your best every week but it's not unreasonable to strive for a level of consistency that rivals the likes of the Roosters, Penrith etc. They can afford to have an off day and account for teams like the Warriors and Titans. We cannot and that somehow, some way has to change.

Exactly. And Madge knew exactly what was going to happen at half time. He knows it all too well already, the team is just not mentally strong enough.

Anyone who is familiar with the tigers could see what was happening last night. The coaches job is to identify the cause and fix them. I think screaming and chair kicking can be crossed off the list of techniques to manage it.

You can see a coach is in trouble when it goes from we to they.

Yep, not the best approach. They’re grown men, not kids

 

[hobbo1]

It's clearly a team and mental problem. Against both the Titans and Warriors we take an early lead only to then sit back and get out-enthused by weaker teams and allow them back in. Madge was clearly not trying to be complacent, he was giving it to them in the dressing room at half time when we were up! So how can he be blamed for the complacency and lack of effort we saw last night

Agree. Madge knows what it takes to win a grand final, and I'm sure the players aren't shirking their their job at training - Madge has come out and said on plenty of occasions how good he thinks the team is, or at least should be in terms of results. Last night was a mental collapse of sorts, not the first time, it happens far too often which is the problem.

How does he fix the problem though? It's not feasible to clean out the entire roster. That is not the answer. There are certainly some players earning far more than they deserve, and some who provide nothing more than depth.

I know all the teams do boot camps in the off-season for team building and building resilience but Madge and the staff need to work on something to have the players raring to go each week when they step out on the field. It's impossible to be at your best every week but it's not unreasonable to strive for a level of consistency that rivals the likes of the Roosters, Penrith etc. They can afford to have an off day and account for teams like the Warriors and Titans. We cannot and that somehow, some way has to change.

Exactly. And Madge knew exactly what was going to happen at half time. He knows it all too well already, the team is just not mentally strong enough.

Anyone who is familiar with the tigers could see what was happening last night. The coaches job is to identify the cause and fix them. I think screaming and chair kicking can be crossed off the list of techniques to manage it.

You can see a coach is in trouble when it goes from we to they.

Yep, not the best approach. They’re grown men, not kids

Kids trapped inside men’s bodies ?
First thing I’d do is make them hand in there x box’s

 

[WT2K]

It's clearly a team and mental problem. Against both the Titans and Warriors we take an early lead only to then sit back and get out-enthused by weaker teams and allow them back in. Madge was clearly not trying to be complacent, he was giving it to them in the dressing room at half time when we were up! So how can he be blamed for the complacency and lack of effort we saw last night

Agree. Madge knows what it takes to win a grand final, and I'm sure the players aren't shirking their their job at training - Madge has come out and said on plenty of occasions how good he thinks the team is, or at least should be in terms of results. Last night was a mental collapse of sorts, not the first time, it happens far too often which is the problem.

How does he fix the problem though? It's not feasible to clean out the entire roster. That is not the answer. There are certainly some players earning far more than they deserve, and some who provide nothing more than depth.

I know all the teams do boot camps in the off-season for team building and building resilience but Madge and the staff need to work on something to have the players raring to go each week when they step out on the field. It's impossible to be at your best every week but it's not unreasonable to strive for a level of consistency that rivals the likes of the Roosters, Penrith etc. They can afford to have an off day and account for teams like the Warriors and Titans. We cannot and that somehow, some way has to change.

Exactly. And Madge knew exactly what was going to happen at half time. He knows it all too well already, the team is just not mentally strong enough.

Anyone who is familiar with the tigers could see what was happening last night. The coaches job is to identify the cause and fix them. I think screaming and chair kicking can be crossed off the list of techniques to manage it.

You can see a coach is in trouble when it goes from we to they.

Yep, not the best approach. They’re grown men, not kids

Can see where this is going. We've been here a few times before.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It's clearly a team and mental problem. Against both the Titans and Warriors we take an early lead only to then sit back and get out-enthused by weaker teams and allow them back in. Madge was clearly not trying to be complacent, he was giving it to them in the dressing room at half time when we were up! So how can he be blamed for the complacency and lack of effort we saw last night

Agree. Madge knows what it takes to win a grand final, and I'm sure the players aren't shirking their their job at training - Madge has come out and said on plenty of occasions how good he thinks the team is, or at least should be in terms of results. Last night was a mental collapse of sorts, not the first time, it happens far too often which is the problem.

How does he fix the problem though? It's not feasible to clean out the entire roster. That is not the answer. There are certainly some players earning far more than they deserve, and some who provide nothing more than depth.

I know all the teams do boot camps in the off-season for team building and building resilience but Madge and the staff need to work on something to have the players raring to go each week when they step out on the field. It's impossible to be at your best every week but it's not unreasonable to strive for a level of consistency that rivals the likes of the Roosters, Penrith etc. They can afford to have an off day and account for teams like the Warriors and Titans. We cannot and that somehow, some way has to change.

Exactly. And Madge knew exactly what was going to happen at half time. He knows it all too well already, the team is just not mentally strong enough.

Anyone who is familiar with the tigers could see what was happening last night. The coaches job is to identify the cause and fix them. I think screaming and chair kicking can be crossed off the list of techniques to manage it.

You can see a coach is in trouble when it goes from we to they.

Yep, not the best approach. They’re grown men, not kids

Can see where this is going. We've been here a few times before.

I just think the approach should be modified to suit the audience. He went nuts in that Canterbury game last year and it had the same effect. If it isn’t working, try something else ?‍♂️

 

[Tim Sheens]

i saw nothing at half time where the players respected what he was saying. We were completing our sets, In front if i was a player i would have thought give us a break we are trying but key players are letting us down.
What’s the game plan in the 2nd half coach, when is brooks on??
Walters was doing nothing i would have made changes at half time, that would have sent a message to the team instead of a spray.

Good to see others now joining in the chorus on this, as the spray seemed way out of place in the circumstances, with the failure to act on necessary changes not that far behind.

 

[old_man_tiger]

i saw nothing at half time where the players respected what he was saying. We were completing our sets, In front if i was a player i would have thought give us a break we are trying but key players are letting us down.
What’s the game plan in the 2nd half coach, when is brooks on??
Walters was doing nothing i would have made changes at half time, that would have sent a message to the team instead of a spray.



Good to see others now joining in the chorus on this, as the spray seemed way out of place in the circumstances, with the failure to act on necessary changes not that far behind.

100% agreed. I applaud some extra toughness, but not the chair kicking and yelling when you're ahead or in a dogfight.

I'm very confused by the Brooks situation. I reckon he thought he could get away with it one more week and beat the warriors with 16 if he had to. 3 playmakers didn't help when there is no one to run a line.

 

[Telltails]

Bellamy goes off like a cracker in view of everyone every week and is renowned for dressing down the players in the sheds for below par performances. Best way for players to not want to be victim to that is to play with more urgency.

 

[TYGA]

People need to read between the lines Madge is prepared to lose games to change the culture here otherwise he is doomed long term. I don’t think brining in Walters gives us any better chance than Brooks but for Brooks to improve he had to be dropped. If he had faith in the halves he wouldn’t have Brooks on the bench.

He should have lost it at half time he could see what was coming with a disgraceful final 30 minutes to the first half. We would have been down by 30 against a top side. The team was asleep at the wheel. Lifeless performance in attack and defence there was no real effort to win that game.

Madge is using every trick in the book but he’s slowly realising that this roster is not competitive and he has to make changes. We fire up every time players are dropped. It’s a bad sign that there is no real drive to be successful.

Packer has surprisingly been our leader when in the team he was missed badly. Doesn’t take a backward step when fit.

 

[happy_tiger]

I can see Madge leaving ..it won't be Iv bad , but many won't be happy

 

[happy_tiger]

i saw nothing at half time where the players respected what he was saying. We were completing our sets, In front if i was a player i would have thought give us a break we are trying but key players are letting us down.
What’s the game plan in the 2nd half coach, when is brooks on??
Walters was doing nothing i would have made changes at half time, that would have sent a message to the team instead of a spray.



Good to see others now joining in the chorus on this, as the spray seemed way out of place in the circumstances, with the failure to act on necessary changes not that far behind.

Can't keep blasting blokes week after week ...it wears off very quickly .....2 a year they say ......probably right

 

[happy_tiger]

It's clearly a team and mental problem. Against both the Titans and Warriors we take an early lead only to then sit back and get out-enthused by weaker teams and allow them back in. Madge was clearly not trying to be complacent, he was giving it to them in the dressing room at half time when we were up! So how can he be blamed for the complacency and lack of effort we saw last night

Agree. Madge knows what it takes to win a grand final, and I'm sure the players aren't shirking their their job at training - Madge has come out and said on plenty of occasions how good he thinks the team is, or at least should be in terms of results. Last night was a mental collapse of sorts, not the first time, it happens far too often which is the problem.

How does he fix the problem though? It's not feasible to clean out the entire roster. That is not the answer. There are certainly some players earning far more than they deserve, and some who provide nothing more than depth.

I know all the teams do boot camps in the off-season for team building and building resilience but Madge and the staff need to work on something to have the players raring to go each week when they step out on the field. It's impossible to be at your best every week but it's not unreasonable to strive for a level of consistency that rivals the likes of the Roosters, Penrith etc. They can afford to have an off day and account for teams like the Warriors and Titans. We cannot and that somehow, some way has to change.

Simple Willow ..you rest a few

We win that game if we outhustle them ...was never going to be a skill thing on Friday ...roll the sleeves up have someone like Reynolds bounding around like a headless chicken getting the boys up .....

No coincidence that Grant had his worst game last night ...Lucy was down ....Aloiai was down .....

 

[TrueTiger]

You know what amazes me about the loss to the Warriors....you all have come on here saying Madge will leave if he is not sacked..
Madge has made bench selections abhorently...
Madge shouldnt give them a spray they are men not kids etc etc etc etc...


What you all forgot is that Toddy Payton knows this club inside and out,Benji,Lawrence etc and he devised a plan for the Warriors to pick their marks and hammer them,hence so many offloads and line running that they havent done before....
Kudos to Toddy he beat us and Madge...
We are to thick between the ears to realise other teams are working out the has beens from the have nots...
I love the WTs but you cant blame Madge for the older players set in their ways we have in this squad...the sooner a cleanout happens the better results will arrive...just my opinion on this game and tear strips off me if you think Im wrong...

 

[PJ_]

Maguire is not the problem it is the players he inherited. The juniors not playing this year has not helped. Need to get rid of overpaid players and say good bye to Lawrence and Marshall season end. I would be blooding players like Madden now with eye on 2021. Give Dylan Smith a go at full back or new signing AJ. Still hurting from Cleary legacy.

He re-signed Benji and Lawrence. In fact he signed or re-signed >70% of the team. Why did he do these signings or re-signings if they’re no good?

15 of the 17 who took the field were signed/re-signed/extended by MaGuire...

Only Nofoaluma and Mbye were not..Nofo had a crack like he always does scored a great TRY and Mbye is the Captain appointed by MaGuire..

Packer was one of the usual not MaGuire's team but everyone wants him in the team now..go figure..

I was talking about the quality of players he has. Due to inflated contracts madge may have no choice in his signings. He might have to resign a player on 200k instead of going out and getting an upgrade for 400k.
I support Madge but feel he is hamstrung with his squad. We have also been debuting a lot of players because the class isn't there.

 

[Spartan117]

Madge will not fail if we stay the course with hard training and recruitment.

I heard it put tjat a successful club has its top 5 paid players as their top 5 performing players.

Mbye, Reynolds, packer, brooks

This isnt and hasnt ever been this clubs case in recent history.

We are on track with Madge....

 

[TYGA]

It may sound strange at this time but I think we need to extend Madge 2 years until the end of 2023. He needs the authority that he won’t leave or be sacked if the team turns it up next year. It will also coincide with the second year after the new COE and 1 year after we have a clear salary cap. Whether or not he gets success is a big question but what is certain is that the players and the club will be in better shape. Reality is we need him more than he needs us.

The club has to get better around the coach. We need to spend money on halves coaches like Johns and assistants to help out. It looks from the outside in all on the coaches shoulders.

 

[JC99]

I’m happy to give him an extra year. Can take a long long time for a coach to turn a team around. New coaches constantly does nothing but harm and there’s not any better coaches available

 

[Telltails]

It may sound strange at this time but I think we need to extend Madge 2 years until the end of 2023. He needs the authority that he won’t leave or be sacked if the team turns it up next year. It will also coincide with the second year after the new COE and 1 year after we have a clear salary cap. Whether or not he gets success is a big question but what is certain is that the players and the club will be in better shape. Reality is we need him more than he needs us.

The club has to get better around the coach. We need to spend money on halves coaches like Johns and assistants to help out. It looks from the outside in all on the coaches shoulders.

Agree. I don't believe we will attract a better coach than Maguire Canberra stuck by Ricky Stuart and experienced some ordinary years under him and his reputation as a coach came under question but the club stuck strong and it's paid dividends. There will always be noise about coaches that players and fans don't like - we have all heard the Maguire stories, but feel this club needs to demonstrate stability and that includes backing the coach.

 

[JC99]

It may sound strange at this time but I think we need to extend Madge 2 years until the end of 2023. He needs the authority that he won’t leave or be sacked if the team turns it up next year. It will also coincide with the second year after the new COE and 1 year after we have a clear salary cap. Whether or not he gets success is a big question but what is certain is that the players and the club will be in better shape. Reality is we need him more than he needs us.

The club has to get better around the coach. We need to spend money on halves coaches like Johns and assistants to help out. It looks from the outside in all on the coaches shoulders.

Agree. I don't believe we will attract a better coach than Maguire Canberra stuck by Ricky Stuart and experienced some ordinary years under him and his reputation as a coach came under question but the club stuck strong and it's paid dividends. There will always be noise about coaches that players and fans don't like - we have all heard the Maguire stories, but feel this club needs to demonstrate stability and that includes backing the coach.

Stuart was there for 5 years before he Took them
To a grand final. Arthur has been at Eels for 5 years before making them into a premiership contender. Some coaches take time

 

[TYGA]

It may sound strange at this time but I think we need to extend Madge 2 years until the end of 2023. He needs the authority that he won’t leave or be sacked if the team turns it up next year. It will also coincide with the second year after the new COE and 1 year after we have a clear salary cap. Whether or not he gets success is a big question but what is certain is that the players and the club will be in better shape. Reality is we need him more than he needs us.

The club has to get better around the coach. We need to spend money on halves coaches like Johns and assistants to help out. It looks from the outside in all on the coaches shoulders.

Agree. I don't believe we will attract a better coach than Maguire Canberra stuck by Ricky Stuart and experienced some ordinary years under him and his reputation as a coach came under question but the club stuck strong and it's paid dividends. There will always be noise about coaches that players and fans don't like - we have all heard the Maguire stories, but feel this club needs to demonstrate stability and that includes backing the coach.

Ricky example is a great one we are in exactly the same position. Can’t recruit anyone and changing culture and team. No one is turning the Tigers into a perennial finals team in the short term.

 

[twentyforty]

I think it’s about time we heard from Lee and other board members showing some solidarity and support of Madge.