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Could be a dozen players…
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Pawsandclaws
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From recent experience, agreeing to restructure your contract to assist the club is no guarantee you won't be moved on. As those of us who backed RF were repeatedly informed, this is a business now.
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Yes but principles matter in a clubs culture. I dont have a problem with Robbie because it was $$$ he was owed, not time and he is being payed this money from previous years (which I wish the media would acknowledge when they report we are paying his contract at Souffs). With Lawrence he negotiated time for less money. for mine as well Rowdy has been an exemplary clubman. Should be repaid.
If Rowdy wanted to move into the office I don't have an issue. However Rowdy restructured his contract to help the club out in a big way. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars big.
I know it's a business and Farah's handling was ordinary but it would stink to high heaven if we did it to Rowdy. Farah got his money back that he sacrificed which is why his contract value is so high. Rowdy restructured one year's backloaded salary over something like two and a half years equivalent.
Anyway I hope it doesn't come to that, it would be another black eye the club does not need.
I know it's a business and Farah's handling was ordinary but it would stink to high heaven if we did it to Rowdy. Farah got his money back that he sacrificed which is why his contract value is so high. Rowdy restructured one year's backloaded salary over something like two and a half years equivalent.
Anyway I hope it doesn't come to that, it would be another black eye the club does not need.
Coastie_Tiger
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couldnt agree more, i dont know if Cleary would put himself in that situation at this early stage, our board and CEO however thats another story.
diedpretty
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Greg Inglis got a boat in the shonky deals at Melbourne - Cooper got a child.
smoking_gun
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The Lawrence contract is probably the worst contract this club has signed off on in the last decade. Chris is a great bloke but his playing days in first grade should of been done 18 months ago for WT
foreveratiger
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Interesting read
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/gus-gould-has-shock-theory-behind-move-to-separate-wests-tigers-stars/news-story/3bbbaef74c413ce7bf93fffb80c90287
Gus Gould has shock theory behind move to separate Wests Tigers stars
APRIL 5, 20173:50PM
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PHIL Gould says he suspects the manager of star Wests Tigers playmakers Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses secretly wants to break the rising stars apart.
The day after Brooks re-signed with the club on a two-year deal, Gould, the Penrith Panthers’ supremo, declared star player agent Isaac Moses secretly believes Brooks and Mitchell Moses may need to be separated in order for them to reach their potential.
Brooks and Moses have been playing with each other since high school, where they both attended Holy Cross College in Ryde (northern Sydney). Gould told his podcast, Six Tackles with Gus, on Wednesday there is a very real consideration that the pair are not actually suited to play alongside each other at NRL level.
Gould said Tigers coach Ivan Cleary has a tough decision to make about whether Mitchell Moses stays at the club following Brooks’ decision to remain at the joint-venture.
“He came into first grade with a boom on him and he probably hasn’t lived up to expectations,” Gould said of Brooks.
“I think that club suits him at the moment and I think the coach suits him as well so that’s a good decision by Luke to remain with the club. “Whether that means the other three players sign with the club it remains to be seen. “I have a suspicion that Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses probably wanted to both sell themselves as halfbacks and that the combination, even though they’ve been together for a while and they have known each other for a while, probably doesn’t gel on the field the way that they would like and there’s been a thought from the management of both those players that maybe they need to split them up to get the best out of them and that their careers have to go separate ways.
“That will be interesting. That will be one for Ivan Cleary to negotiate now. Whether or not he can convince them that they need to be together in the long term.” It comes as Gould also chastised the Tigers over a report indicating the club has tabled an offer to star fullback James Tedesco worth $4.4 million over four years, labelling the offer irresponsible.
He said there is currently not one player in the game that deserves to be taking up more than $1 million per season on an NRL club salary cap. He said Johnathan Thurston was worth that figure four years ago when he famously tabled the Cowboys star a $4.8 million, four-year deal to join Penrith. However, at the age of 33, he believes even Thurston is not worth that figure. “I’m really getting frustrated by the money getting reported around for these clubs and even the asking price for players these days,” he said.
“I don’t see a $1 million footballer in the competition at the moment. I think it’s ridiculous that any individual should be earning $1 million in a fixed salary cap.
“I’m quite happy for them to earn it corporately, if they can find third party sponsors or business interest. But if you’re managing a salary can properly, given the salary cap offers that we’ve had from the NRL going forward, I can’t see a $1 million player in the game if you’re going to take it out of the salary cap. “Unless it’s supported through corporate dollars, if you’re paying a player $1 million it has a big effect on everything you’re doing in your club.
“There’s not one player in the competition who I would pay $1 million to at the moment at all. Not even close top it, under the fixed salary cap model we have going forward.”
He said a key criteria for a player being worth $1 million per season is that they are leading their side to a winning percentage of at least 60 per cent.
He warned the Tigers that the so-called “big four” have not been winning games of football this season and doesn’t believe that will change in the future, just because they are all earning more money.
“Is James Tedesco a 60 per cent winning player for the Tigers? No,” he said.
“They’ve got all those four players together now and they’re not winning games. Paying them more money doesn’t make them better players and it’s not going to improve their strike rate.“The more money you pay them, the less talent you can put around them.”
Meanwhile,
Gould believes Cooper Cronk will retire at the end of this season rather than play on for a Sydney-based club in 2018.
He said he expects Cronk, turning 34 this year, will look back at the end of this season with the Storm and be satisfied with his career, rather than feel the need to build something from scratch in Sydney.
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/gus-gould-has-shock-theory-behind-move-to-separate-wests-tigers-stars/news-story/3bbbaef74c413ce7bf93fffb80c90287
Gus Gould has shock theory behind move to separate Wests Tigers stars
APRIL 5, 20173:50PM
Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on Google+Share on RedditEmail a friend
PHIL Gould says he suspects the manager of star Wests Tigers playmakers Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses secretly wants to break the rising stars apart.
The day after Brooks re-signed with the club on a two-year deal, Gould, the Penrith Panthers’ supremo, declared star player agent Isaac Moses secretly believes Brooks and Mitchell Moses may need to be separated in order for them to reach their potential.
Brooks and Moses have been playing with each other since high school, where they both attended Holy Cross College in Ryde (northern Sydney). Gould told his podcast, Six Tackles with Gus, on Wednesday there is a very real consideration that the pair are not actually suited to play alongside each other at NRL level.
Gould said Tigers coach Ivan Cleary has a tough decision to make about whether Mitchell Moses stays at the club following Brooks’ decision to remain at the joint-venture.
“He came into first grade with a boom on him and he probably hasn’t lived up to expectations,” Gould said of Brooks.
“I think that club suits him at the moment and I think the coach suits him as well so that’s a good decision by Luke to remain with the club. “Whether that means the other three players sign with the club it remains to be seen. “I have a suspicion that Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses probably wanted to both sell themselves as halfbacks and that the combination, even though they’ve been together for a while and they have known each other for a while, probably doesn’t gel on the field the way that they would like and there’s been a thought from the management of both those players that maybe they need to split them up to get the best out of them and that their careers have to go separate ways.
“That will be interesting. That will be one for Ivan Cleary to negotiate now. Whether or not he can convince them that they need to be together in the long term.” It comes as Gould also chastised the Tigers over a report indicating the club has tabled an offer to star fullback James Tedesco worth $4.4 million over four years, labelling the offer irresponsible.
He said there is currently not one player in the game that deserves to be taking up more than $1 million per season on an NRL club salary cap. He said Johnathan Thurston was worth that figure four years ago when he famously tabled the Cowboys star a $4.8 million, four-year deal to join Penrith. However, at the age of 33, he believes even Thurston is not worth that figure. “I’m really getting frustrated by the money getting reported around for these clubs and even the asking price for players these days,” he said.
“I don’t see a $1 million footballer in the competition at the moment. I think it’s ridiculous that any individual should be earning $1 million in a fixed salary cap.
“I’m quite happy for them to earn it corporately, if they can find third party sponsors or business interest. But if you’re managing a salary can properly, given the salary cap offers that we’ve had from the NRL going forward, I can’t see a $1 million player in the game if you’re going to take it out of the salary cap. “Unless it’s supported through corporate dollars, if you’re paying a player $1 million it has a big effect on everything you’re doing in your club.
“There’s not one player in the competition who I would pay $1 million to at the moment at all. Not even close top it, under the fixed salary cap model we have going forward.”
He said a key criteria for a player being worth $1 million per season is that they are leading their side to a winning percentage of at least 60 per cent.
He warned the Tigers that the so-called “big four” have not been winning games of football this season and doesn’t believe that will change in the future, just because they are all earning more money.
“Is James Tedesco a 60 per cent winning player for the Tigers? No,” he said.
“They’ve got all those four players together now and they’re not winning games. Paying them more money doesn’t make them better players and it’s not going to improve their strike rate.“The more money you pay them, the less talent you can put around them.”
Meanwhile,
Gould believes Cooper Cronk will retire at the end of this season rather than play on for a Sydney-based club in 2018.
He said he expects Cronk, turning 34 this year, will look back at the end of this season with the Storm and be satisfied with his career, rather than feel the need to build something from scratch in Sydney.
smoking_gun
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Next year I believe
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Last year he signed an extension that spread out the money he was already on. So, as an example instead of being on 500k and finishing in 2017, he went on 300k for 2017 and 2018\. He did it to ease the pressure on the salary cap for this year. I don't actually know how much he's on.
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try 2019…
smoking_gun
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Shows how ancient gus is. 1 million a season isn't outlandish these days and Tedesco is worth that. Realistically clubs can afford to pay a superstar player up to 15% of the cap.
foreveratiger
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My thoughts exactly.
smoking_gun
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Even worse then. I thought he was off last year and extended for 2 years to 2018\. The recruitment and retention is really bad
