Its not all about the players

[Spud_Murphy]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

I edited my post before you posted saying that it may have come across a little strong.

But no I don't disregard someone's post based on the level of football they played. Their are many great coaches who were average players, sometimes I think it is an advantage as they see the game differently.

I also don't expect my posts to be taken any more seriously because I have played and coached the game. I expect people to judge my posts on what I have to say as I do with others. That is why I don't post that I played the game a couple of times a week.

Ok coshise I wont post again,I thought that if you played the game you would have an understanding of what is needed ...obviously Im wrong and many others are right...my apologies and I wont say anymore so I dont offend you or others...

Mate it is not about offending others, and I actually appreciate your posts, even when we disagree. I just don't think someone's posts can be judge on whether they played the game or not. I don't want you to stop posting, just consider people's post on the content and not if they played the game.

Yeah there are many astute judges of the game that have never played it, but I can certainly see value in the perspective of those who have. That said, the game is changing all the time, certainly at NRL level.

 

[earl]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

I don't believe the players are bludging. I reckon they give it their all. I also reckon Madge has an impact on the lower grades.

I think our recruitment and retention has been poor for a number of years and it's going to take some time to develop a decent roster.

 

[earl]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

And that’s why we need to stick solid. Things are improving slowly. Changing the coach again will only give the players the freedom to be soft. If it’s to hard for them blame the coach and they can just sit back and continue with their poor attitude and performances. The players are the problem and have been for 10 years. It has to stop now.

Sorry but that’s just a cop out Mike. The lower grades are doing well despite Madge being at the club, not the other way around.

They are doing well because Madge is at the club. Haritgan had been an improvement for recruiting and Madge is showing them what is needed to win and that’s not to sook but do the hard work.

It really depends how much involvement Madge has in that, I know there is a lot of respect in the club for the job Gardiner is doing with the reserve grade players.

Gardiner is doing a great job, no doubt.

Yeah so its a legitimate question to ask whether the success in the lower grades is a reflection of Madge or because of the hard work of others.

Gardiner has worked with Maguire at South's and as the NZ assistant. The lower grade coaches were moved on to make room for him. Do you think Maguire may have had a role in that?

That is a good point mate. I am just over the rubbish game plan we have seen this season from our first grade squad. At times it has been difficult to see what we were actually trying to achieve in games.

The only sign of adjustment with game planning I have seen this season was the move of Mbye to 5/8th to try and get the outside backs earlier ball. That was definitely a gameplan adjustment as the reason for Madden being on the bench was as backup if Mbye didn't work in that role. Madden's biggest strength at this point in his career is the fact he give early ball.

I reckon this is the fair criticism of Madge. We've looked poorly coached at times. It's not as one sided as what it was though at the start of the season. We've played well the last couple of games and we were only caught out against the Warriors due to having some glaring issues in our roster.

 

[cochise]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

And that’s why we need to stick solid. Things are improving slowly. Changing the coach again will only give the players the freedom to be soft. If it’s to hard for them blame the coach and they can just sit back and continue with their poor attitude and performances. The players are the problem and have been for 10 years. It has to stop now.

Sorry but that’s just a cop out Mike. The lower grades are doing well despite Madge being at the club, not the other way around.

They are doing well because Madge is at the club. Haritgan had been an improvement for recruiting and Madge is showing them what is needed to win and that’s not to sook but do the hard work.

It really depends how much involvement Madge has in that, I know there is a lot of respect in the club for the job Gardiner is doing with the reserve grade players.

Gardiner is doing a great job, no doubt.

Yeah so its a legitimate question to ask whether the success in the lower grades is a reflection of Madge or because of the hard work of others.

Gardiner has worked with Maguire at South's and as the NZ assistant. The lower grade coaches were moved on to make room for him. Do you think Maguire may have had a role in that?

That is a good point mate. I am just over the rubbish game plan we have seen this season from our first grade squad. At times it has been difficult to see what we were actually trying to achieve in games.

The only sign of adjustment with game planning I have seen this season was the move of Mbye to 5/8th to try and get the outside backs earlier ball. That was definitely a gameplan adjustment as the reason for Madden being on the bench was as backup if Mbye didn't work in that role. Madden's biggest strength at this point in his career is the fact he give early ball.

I reckon this is the fair criticism of Madge. We've looked poorly coached at times. It's not as one sided as what it was though at the start of the season. We've played well the last couple of games and we were only caught out against the Warriors due to having some glaring issues in our roster.

The 2nd penalty goal was a weak coaching decision though. I thought we would lose as soon as that decision was made.

 

[earl]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

And that’s why we need to stick solid. Things are improving slowly. Changing the coach again will only give the players the freedom to be soft. If it’s to hard for them blame the coach and they can just sit back and continue with their poor attitude and performances. The players are the problem and have been for 10 years. It has to stop now.

Sorry but that’s just a cop out Mike. The lower grades are doing well despite Madge being at the club, not the other way around.

They are doing well because Madge is at the club. Haritgan had been an improvement for recruiting and Madge is showing them what is needed to win and that’s not to sook but do the hard work.

It really depends how much involvement Madge has in that, I know there is a lot of respect in the club for the job Gardiner is doing with the reserve grade players.

Gardiner is doing a great job, no doubt.

Yeah so its a legitimate question to ask whether the success in the lower grades is a reflection of Madge or because of the hard work of others.

Gardiner has worked with Maguire at South's and as the NZ assistant. The lower grade coaches were moved on to make room for him. Do you think Maguire may have had a role in that?

That is a good point mate. I am just over the rubbish game plan we have seen this season from our first grade squad. At times it has been difficult to see what we were actually trying to achieve in games.

The only sign of adjustment with game planning I have seen this season was the move of Mbye to 5/8th to try and get the outside backs earlier ball. That was definitely a gameplan adjustment as the reason for Madden being on the bench was as backup if Mbye didn't work in that role. Madden's biggest strength at this point in his career is the fact he give early ball.

I reckon this is the fair criticism of Madge. We've looked poorly coached at times. It's not as one sided as what it was though at the start of the season. We've played well the last couple of games and we were only caught out against the Warriors due to having some glaring issues in our roster.

The 2nd penalty goal was a weak coaching decision though. I thought we would lose as soon as that decision was made.

Maybe. It's easy in hindsight isn't it. There are very few edge defensive performances though like Talau's the other day. It was all time poor.

 

[cochise]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

And that’s why we need to stick solid. Things are improving slowly. Changing the coach again will only give the players the freedom to be soft. If it’s to hard for them blame the coach and they can just sit back and continue with their poor attitude and performances. The players are the problem and have been for 10 years. It has to stop now.

Sorry but that’s just a cop out Mike. The lower grades are doing well despite Madge being at the club, not the other way around.

They are doing well because Madge is at the club. Haritgan had been an improvement for recruiting and Madge is showing them what is needed to win and that’s not to sook but do the hard work.

It really depends how much involvement Madge has in that, I know there is a lot of respect in the club for the job Gardiner is doing with the reserve grade players.

Gardiner is doing a great job, no doubt.

Yeah so its a legitimate question to ask whether the success in the lower grades is a reflection of Madge or because of the hard work of others.

Gardiner has worked with Maguire at South's and as the NZ assistant. The lower grade coaches were moved on to make room for him. Do you think Maguire may have had a role in that?

That is a good point mate. I am just over the rubbish game plan we have seen this season from our first grade squad. At times it has been difficult to see what we were actually trying to achieve in games.

The only sign of adjustment with game planning I have seen this season was the move of Mbye to 5/8th to try and get the outside backs earlier ball. That was definitely a gameplan adjustment as the reason for Madden being on the bench was as backup if Mbye didn't work in that role. Madden's biggest strength at this point in his career is the fact he give early ball.

I reckon this is the fair criticism of Madge. We've looked poorly coached at times. It's not as one sided as what it was though at the start of the season. We've played well the last couple of games and we were only caught out against the Warriors due to having some glaring issues in our roster.

The 2nd penalty goal was a weak coaching decision though. I thought we would lose as soon as that decision was made.

Maybe. It's easy in hindsight isn't it. There are very few edge defensive performances though like Talau's the other day. It was all time poor.

Our defense is woeful, that is why you have to go for the try on the second penalty. It was a weak decision at the time.

 

[earl]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

And that’s why we need to stick solid. Things are improving slowly. Changing the coach again will only give the players the freedom to be soft. If it’s to hard for them blame the coach and they can just sit back and continue with their poor attitude and performances. The players are the problem and have been for 10 years. It has to stop now.

Sorry but that’s just a cop out Mike. The lower grades are doing well despite Madge being at the club, not the other way around.

They are doing well because Madge is at the club. Haritgan had been an improvement for recruiting and Madge is showing them what is needed to win and that’s not to sook but do the hard work.

It really depends how much involvement Madge has in that, I know there is a lot of respect in the club for the job Gardiner is doing with the reserve grade players.

Gardiner is doing a great job, no doubt.

Yeah so its a legitimate question to ask whether the success in the lower grades is a reflection of Madge or because of the hard work of others.

Gardiner has worked with Maguire at South's and as the NZ assistant. The lower grade coaches were moved on to make room for him. Do you think Maguire may have had a role in that?

That is a good point mate. I am just over the rubbish game plan we have seen this season from our first grade squad. At times it has been difficult to see what we were actually trying to achieve in games.

The only sign of adjustment with game planning I have seen this season was the move of Mbye to 5/8th to try and get the outside backs earlier ball. That was definitely a gameplan adjustment as the reason for Madden being on the bench was as backup if Mbye didn't work in that role. Madden's biggest strength at this point in his career is the fact he give early ball.

I reckon this is the fair criticism of Madge. We've looked poorly coached at times. It's not as one sided as what it was though at the start of the season. We've played well the last couple of games and we were only caught out against the Warriors due to having some glaring issues in our roster.

The 2nd penalty goal was a weak coaching decision though. I thought we would lose as soon as that decision was made.

Maybe. It's easy in hindsight isn't it. There are very few edge defensive performances though like Talau's the other day. It was all time poor.

Our defense is woeful, that is why you have to go for the try on the second penalty. It was a weak decision at the time.

It's the wrong reasoning though isn't it. Your defense should be better. I get where you are coming from though. The right decision for our team with such terrible defensive wingers/edges is to try and score as many tries as possible and give the opposition the ball as little as possible.

A better team though should probably take the two and back their defense and attack to execute well for the rest of the game.

 

[hank37w]

If these sort of defensive issues continue surely Madge has to go.
Talau and Noffa would struggle to defend in NSW cup

Who plays wing though? He tried Cini and he had a decent debut followed by an awful second game. Hoffman? Judging my the flurry of signing speculation and meetings he's clearly not satisfied with the talent he has.

And it’s good he’s trying to rectify the situation. But he’s been here 2.5 seasons, why didn’t he realise it before?

He's not really had the cap capacity to do much. Until he offloaded Reynolds and a few others he couldn't target anyone decent.

He had the money to go hard for Latrell Mitchell on more than $1m a season. That would have bought 2 pretty good wingers.

Well some of that money went on Daine Laurie. But this isn't Football Manager. You don't just have 500k and buy a winger from a list. There has to be a viable option. We've had a crack at a couple of wingers without success.

Yes but Laurie was this year and by all reports not a big contract. Last year he spent big money on Joey Leilua when he should have been looking at wingers. And this year he extends Nofo for 4 years.

The Nofa decision came from the top. Nofa was offered a fair contract over 3 years and told the exact reasons for the offer. He was not happy with his offer.

Well then that person should be fired because it was not a decision in the best interests of the club, and shows just how amateurish we are.

Can't be

Is that because it's got Inspector Gadgets finger prints all over it?

 

[Papacito]

As much as we love our fellas, we were beaten by a better roster on Friday night and it had little to nothing to do with the coach.

Try 1 and 2 from the Warriors sum it up.

Try 1 (below) - Warriors managed to get us 4 on 3 on our right side. Simple stuff. No coach is telling their team to try and defend 3 on 4. Our guys wouldn't be gassed at the point of the game so it's just bad read. Lauire also hung right off and made it easy for the Warriors winger.


Try 2 - Joseph Leilua targeted, isolated and beaten 1 on 1 by good footwork which leads to the try.

The rest of their tries were similar stories.

 

[hank37w]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

I’m waiting until Tuesday 4pm before I join the Madge bashers

That's not like you to be so patient and understanding.

 

[hank37w]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

Unfortunately we are already dopes.

 

[BZN]

I still can't believe there's going to be a documentary about this season...great viewing that will be. They even said there may be an additional episode if they make the finals. Ha!

I'd prefer to watch a doco on a successful club.

Cameron Ciraldo anyone

Mate,I hate reality TV shows but when our doco airs Im going to have to watch MAFS,because it would be less torturous than our show....

Management is a farce
They’d rather focus on making B grade docos and conjuring up desperate fan girls crap like the ambush than focusing on footy.

Lol

Glad u think its funny Cochise.

I don't think u ever answered my question either when I asked if you like the film The Warriors either.

Mate, go at the club as much as you want, they are amateur, very difficult to support and quite frankly a joke. But having a at other supporters who give up their time to try and create something for fans is weak. Personally I don't care as I am very thickest skinned and don't listen to @hobbo1 but people like @geo @Tiger_Steve and @jirskyr give up their own time trying to deal with this incompetent club for very little in return.

And u still didn't answer the question....

Haven't seen it

Worth a watch.
One of the characters name is Cochise.

My name comes from the song lol

It's an old movie but it's a classic mate.
Definitely watch it if u can.
What song?

Cochise by Audioslave

Wasn’t Cochise an American Indian warrior?

Crazy Horse seems to be the Chief. He was breast fed by every woman in the tribe. I guess sacrifice needs to be made in the interest of leadership.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WArAyjr8dRA

I really really like Mel Gibson @pawsandclaws1.
What movie was that from?

 

[Tigerboy]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

This is the concern I share with others, nothing really looks fixed though and there's still no distinct playing style. Or consistency in the team's effort and attitude. Every few games we'll see some signs of intent and motivation but our gameplan - or how we perform - often looks too lackluster to challenge the better teams.
It can't be because we're newly formed either as Bulldogs and Warriors have made many recruitment changes to their roster yet are playing more cohesively by now.
Every other team have shown some capability of applying tactics suited to the attacking style of play desired in today's game, even we have once or twice. But most have also consequently adapted a plan to counterattack or restrain the opposition. We come across as clueless and stuck at times.

We don't appear too dissimilar to Raiders who are talented enough but seem reluctant or lost in improvising. I believe there's some x factor in the team but it's like we don't know how to use it effectively. Laurie and Doueihi are great competitors with some vision, Stefano and Mikaele are a real handful and Brooks and Liddle are made for the game. However there's little evidence we have pieced together a suitable gameplan, to make it work. We've shifted players all year long and the further it goes the more uncoordinated or clumsy we look as a team. So its like are we actually moving away from what our best team looks like or do we even know who they are at this point?

*Also just to clarify but my interpretation of fixed is using the Cowboys in comparison. Payten has seemingly devised strategies which allow Cowboys to defend collaboratively and brought out all their attacking strengths.

Lol and another post subtly attacks the coach

Scramble sucks aside the few you’ve said and we’ve got no pace... sure, the cowboys are doing great struggling against knights ! I’d suggest you go and rewatch the game to see that our plan in attack was definitely evident and struggled as the game went on with opposition more easily repelling us.

The above becomes a massive concern for our team who’ve always liked to throw in the towel and show a distinct lack of desire (individually) to get back into grinding games and stay in touch.

When we fatigue in attack and the middle eventually starts to collapse - as it should... the edges become so flimsy it wouldn’t have mattered if we scored twice on both sin bins and then took a penalty for good measure. We were always going to cough it up on the back of this and is a terrible look and standard for the younger guys to get used to, Nof racing up and in after SO many years and Talau now clearly doing his best impressions of Joey and Mbye’s time here, most weeks.

It’s a failure right across the board actually and in no way/shape or form to do with a game plan - not on Friday night and rarely ever against the Warriors. A disgraceful performance, Lauren.

 

[BZN]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

This is the concern I share with others, nothing really looks fixed though and there's still no distinct playing style. Or consistency in the team's effort and attitude. Every few games we'll see some signs of intent and motivation but our gameplan - or how we perform - often looks too lackluster to challenge the better teams.
It can't be because we're newly formed either as Bulldogs and Warriors have made many recruitment changes to their roster yet are playing more cohesively by now.
Every other team have shown some capability of applying tactics suited to the attacking style of play desired in today's game, even we have once or twice. But most have also consequently adapted a plan to counterattack or restrain the opposition. We come across as clueless and stuck at times.

We don't appear too dissimilar to Raiders who are talented enough but seem reluctant or lost in improvising. I believe there's some x factor in the team but it's like we don't know how to use it effectively. Laurie and Doueihi are great competitors with some vision, Stefano and Mikaele are a real handful and Brooks and Liddle are made for the game. However there's little evidence we have pieced together a suitable gameplan, to make it work. We've shifted players all year long and the further it goes the more uncoordinated or clumsy we look as a team. So its like are we actually moving away from what our best team looks like or do we even know who they are at this point?

*Also just to clarify but my interpretation of fixed is using the Cowboys in comparison. Payten has seemingly devised strategies which allow Cowboys to defend collaboratively and brought out all their attacking strengths.

Another calming and sensible post :+1: @Lauren in the middle of a lot of hot air from some posters.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I still can't believe there's going to be a documentary about this season...great viewing that will be. They even said there may be an additional episode if they make the finals. Ha!

I'd prefer to watch a doco on a successful club.

Cameron Ciraldo anyone

Mate,I hate reality TV shows but when our doco airs Im going to have to watch MAFS,because it would be less torturous than our show....

Management is a farce
They’d rather focus on making B grade docos and conjuring up desperate fan girls crap like the ambush than focusing on footy.

Lol

Glad u think its funny Cochise.

I don't think u ever answered my question either when I asked if you like the film The Warriors either.

Mate, go at the club as much as you want, they are amateur, very difficult to support and quite frankly a joke. But having a at other supporters who give up their time to try and create something for fans is weak. Personally I don't care as I am very thickest skinned and don't listen to @hobbo1 but people like @geo @Tiger_Steve and @jirskyr give up their own time trying to deal with this incompetent club for very little in return.

And u still didn't answer the question....

Haven't seen it

Worth a watch.
One of the characters name is Cochise.

My name comes from the song lol

It's an old movie but it's a classic mate.
Definitely watch it if u can.
What song?

Cochise by Audioslave

Wasn’t Cochise an American Indian warrior?

Crazy Horse seems to be the Chief. He was breast fed by every woman in the tribe. I guess sacrifice needs to be made in the interest of leadership.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WArAyjr8dRA

I really really like Mel Gibson @pawsandclaws1.
What movie was that from?

We Were Soldiers - about the Air Cavalry and the first big battle in the Central Highlands of South Vietnam in Nov 1965. North Vietnamese regular regiments were accessing South Vietnam Central Highlands via Cambodia. Gibson portraits Colonel Hal Moore leading the 1st Battalion of the 7th Cavalry sent in by Huey Helicopters. 400 against 3500. This is the same regiment as Colonel Custer of Big Horn fame. Was Cochise there?

 

[BZN]

I still can't believe there's going to be a documentary about this season...great viewing that will be. They even said there may be an additional episode if they make the finals. Ha!

I'd prefer to watch a doco on a successful club.

Cameron Ciraldo anyone

Mate,I hate reality TV shows but when our doco airs Im going to have to watch MAFS,because it would be less torturous than our show....

Management is a farce
They’d rather focus on making B grade docos and conjuring up desperate fan girls crap like the ambush than focusing on footy.

Lol

Glad u think its funny Cochise.

I don't think u ever answered my question either when I asked if you like the film The Warriors either.

Mate, go at the club as much as you want, they are amateur, very difficult to support and quite frankly a joke. But having a at other supporters who give up their time to try and create something for fans is weak. Personally I don't care as I am very thickest skinned and don't listen to @hobbo1 but people like @geo @Tiger_Steve and @jirskyr give up their own time trying to deal with this incompetent club for very little in return.

And u still didn't answer the question....

Haven't seen it

Worth a watch.
One of the characters name is Cochise.

My name comes from the song lol

It's an old movie but it's a classic mate.
Definitely watch it if u can.
What song?

Cochise by Audioslave

Wasn’t Cochise an American Indian warrior?

Crazy Horse seems to be the Chief. He was breast fed by every woman in the tribe. I guess sacrifice needs to be made in the interest of leadership.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WArAyjr8dRA

I really really like Mel Gibson @pawsandclaws1.
What movie was that from?

We Were Soldiers - about the Air Cavalry and the first big battle in the Central Highlands of South Vietnam in Nov 1965. North Vietnamese regular regiments were accessing South Vietnam Central Highlands via Cambodia. Gibson portraits Colonel Hal Moore leading the 1st Battalion of the 7th Cavalry sent in by Huey Helicopters. 400 against 3500. This is the same regiment as Colonel Custer of Big Horn fame. Was Cochise there?

Thanks P&C1.

 

[Demps]

Recruitment drive please

🙏🔥

 

[TigerWest]

Recruitment drive please

🙏🔥

Whose on the list?

 

[Demps]

Recruitment drive please

??

Whose on the list?

Nicho Hynes
Seb Kris
Joseph Tapine
Tevita Pangai Jnr
Jamayne Isaako
Harley Smith-Shields

There's a start.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The thing is.. my young bloke's union team played in a trial match earlier this year against a team that once again beat them by 50 plus points, just as they have in every single game over the previous two years with the same coaches respectively.

Over the two months since, they have been coached more by two new assistant coaches, with the old coach still there, but less involved.

The kids left the field 34-15 victors yesterday afternoon, a 70 odd point plus turnaround on anything prior, having also had their first win against another team a fortnight ago.

Even in under 11's, its not all about the players.