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Gould unphased over Cleary rumours

Danielle Ries

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September 4, 2018 - 3:03 pm

Penrith’s manager is yet to deny or confirm Cleary as coach.

Penrith Panthers general manager Phil Gould has refused to confirm or deny the rumours surrounding Ivan Cleary’s move out west.

Appearing on Channel 9’s 100% Footy, Gould was questioned over whether Ivan Cleary could be joining his son Nathan at the Panthers for next season and beyond.

Gould however gave nothing away while his fellow panelists discussed the conspiracy theories.

Neil Breen said listening to Cleary’s post match press conference after the Wests Tigersfinal game for 2018, he was far from convincing he’ll be staying.

“His answers were unconvincing,” Breen said.

“So if i was a betting man… I’d say he’s going to Penrith. I think he absolutely wants to go there otherwise he just would categorically say, ‘what are you talking about, i’ll sign an extension here at the Wests Tigers and move forward with this job’.

SEE ALSO: REPORTS: Smith being investigated by salary cap auditors

“I think its still on the cards he is going to go to Penrith, and the scenario could be in the off season – what if he signs at Penrith for 2021, the Wests Tigerskeep a lame duck coach for two years.”

When asked if Penrith were interested in father Cleary, Gould had this to say.

“You can come up with some conspiracies,” Gus said.

Quick to his own defence, Breen replied to Gould’s comments:

“Well, I’ll tell you what Gus, eventually one of my conspiracies will be right and I’ll be able to say in March next year Gus I was right,” Breen said.

SEE ALSO: Kiwis, junior Kiwis announce wider squads for Trans-Tasman Test

Sharks veteran Paul Gallen was also at the desk, putting his two cents in stating he is always getting mixed signals from Cleary on whether he’ll stay at Wests or go.

“I think the biggest thing for Cleary is he’s come out and said I intend to stay and he didn’t really answer too many questions around it, so it’s very legal type and didn’t seem to be that invested in it,” Gallen said.
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I'm getting sick of all this crap
 
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I support Cleary and want him to remain at the club for the rest of his contract however, I wold certainly not be offering any extension until at least mid next season. WT suffered badly by being stampeded into an extension for Sheens when he did not merit it, and Cleary has not yet earned an extension.

Cleary's value is still a work in progress. He has picked the club up and re-ignited some passion into both the players and fan base however:
* recruitment of better players to replace departing players is potentially a big problem to which we have not seen any fruit beyond words,
* his use of 5 (?) co-captions pretty confusing,
* saying mid way through the season that he had still not figured out the main squad was unfathomable,
* his inability to calm the players and fix the basic handling errors that cruelled those few games we should have won (and been in the finals as a result),
* his absolute robotic press conferences after matches, I may have missed it, but I have never seen any passion from the bloke, and
* I know the fuse was lit by Gould but the whole Penrith coaching episode unsettled us at the wrong end of the season, played mind games with the players at the vital time of season for us, and has potentially destroyed our recruitment eg the Penrith centre that went to Bulldogs when he was being touted as coming to us.

Sounds a bit silly but if he does end up wanting out for next season, I'd sit him out for the next 2 years and get a replacement. For the abovementioned reasons I have no sympathy for an early negotiated release if requested. Bugger the extra money, we have to stand for something at the WT, but then again, if what is in the pot is good enough we should think about it.

Nice post. You should post more.

Lets look at this realistically….Ivan has been tremendous for the club since he has come in to it..he has a contract with us for the next 2 years...if he stays or if he goes,nobody can rubbish him for the improvement within our club from players attitude to the club as a whole performing well....its life as we know it...one minute coaches are here ,next their gone...
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I think the jury is still out on Ivan Cleary. Even JT got us to ninth position. Our defence improved dramatically which was a good sign. But once again when it was all on the line and when we are favourites we fall over and don’t turn up. I was always going to judge him on 2019 and give him some leeway for 2018\. I would not be extending him until I see how we go next year. However if he has signed for the panthers for 2021, then we have a lame duck coach for 2 years who’s mind is elsewhere. That would be worse than having JT back.
 
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Gould unphased over Cleary rumours

Danielle Ries

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September 4, 2018 - 3:03 pm

Penrith’s manager is yet to deny or confirm Cleary as coach.

Penrith Panthers general manager Phil Gould has refused to confirm or deny the rumours surrounding Ivan Cleary’s move out west.

Appearing on Channel 9’s 100% Footy, Gould was questioned over whether Ivan Cleary could be joining his son Nathan at the Panthers for next season and beyond.

Gould however gave nothing away while his fellow panelists discussed the conspiracy theories.

Neil Breen said listening to Cleary’s post match press conference after the Wests Tigersfinal game for 2018, he was far from convincing he’ll be staying.

“His answers were unconvincing,” Breen said.

“So if i was a betting man… I’d say he’s going to Penrith. I think he absolutely wants to go there otherwise he just would categorically say, ‘what are you talking about, i’ll sign an extension here at the Wests Tigers and move forward with this job’.

SEE ALSO: REPORTS: Smith being investigated by salary cap auditors

“I think its still on the cards he is going to go to Penrith, and the scenario could be in the off season – what if he signs at Penrith for 2021, the Wests Tigerskeep a lame duck coach for two years.”

When asked if Penrith were interested in father Cleary, Gould had this to say.

“You can come up with some conspiracies,” Gus said.

Quick to his own defence, Breen replied to Gould’s comments:

“Well, I’ll tell you what Gus, eventually one of my conspiracies will be right and I’ll be able to say in March next year Gus I was right,” Breen said.

SEE ALSO: Kiwis, junior Kiwis announce wider squads for Trans-Tasman Test

Sharks veteran Paul Gallen was also at the desk, putting his two cents in stating he is always getting mixed signals from Cleary on whether he’ll stay at Wests or go.

“I think the biggest thing for Cleary is he’s come out and said I intend to stay and he didn’t really answer too many questions around it, so it’s very legal type and didn’t seem to be that invested in it,” Gallen said.
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;So the benchmark has now shifted to "I'll sign an extension" to prove my loyalty, What if he hasn't been offered one yet?
 
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I support Cleary and want him to remain at the club for the rest of his contract however, I wold certainly not be offering any extension until at least mid next season. WT suffered badly by being stampeded into an extension for Sheens when he did not merit it, and Cleary has not yet earned an extension.

Cleary's value is still a work in progress. He has picked the club up and re-ignited some passion into both the players and fan base however:
* recruitment of better players to replace departing players is potentially a big problem to which we have not seen any fruit beyond words,
* his use of 5 (?) co-captions pretty confusing,
* saying mid way through the season that he had still not figured out the main squad was unfathomable,
* his inability to calm the players and fix the basic handling errors that cruelled those few games we should have won (and been in the finals as a result),
* his absolute robotic press conferences after matches, I may have missed it, but I have never seen any passion from the bloke, and
* I know the fuse was lit by Gould but the whole Penrith coaching episode unsettled us at the wrong end of the season, played mind games with the players at the vital time of season for us, and has potentially destroyed our recruitment eg the Penrith centre that went to Bulldogs when he was being touted as coming to us.

Sounds a bit silly but if he does end up wanting out for next season, I'd sit him out for the next 2 years and get a replacement. For the abovementioned reasons I have no sympathy for an early negotiated release if requested. Bugger the extra money, we have to stand for something at the WT, but then again, if what is in the pot is good enough we should think about it.

Nice post. You should post more.

Lets look at this realistically….Ivan has been tremendous for the club since he has come in to it..he has a contract with us for the next 2 years...if he stays or if he goes,nobody can rubbish him for the improvement within our club from players attitude to the club as a whole performing well....its life as we know it...one minute coaches are here ,next their gone...

I think the jury is still out on Ivan Cleary. Even JT got us to ninth position. Our defence improved dramatically which was a good sign. But once again when it was all on the line and when we are favourites we fall over and don’t turn up. I was always going to judge him on 2019 and give him some leeway for 2018\. I would not be extending him until I see how we go next year. However if he has signed for the panthers for 2021, then we have a lame duck coach for 2 years who’s mind is elsewhere. That would be worse than having JT back.
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Nothing could be worse than having JT back hopefully the useless knob gets shafted from the rorters
 
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Thinking outside the box, if we really want to keep Ivan here, find or create a job for his Mrs.
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Guidance counselor for the players.

Our own Tami Taylor from Friday Night Lights :slight_smile:
 
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Thinking outside the box, if we really want to keep Ivan here, find or create a job for his Mrs.

Guidance counselor for the players.

Our own Tami Taylor from Friday Night Lights :slight_smile:
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Great thinking.

She could be official score tally-er. She could even do that from home, watching the replay. And salary wise, how about $200k?

Does Nathan have any siblings? Cousins? How about a pet? We could have the Cleary's pet dog as our official Wests Tigers number one pet supporter, and pay it a bonus too.

Your move Gus you smug goose.
 
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Twitter suggesting tension in the air last night between pascoe and ivan. No mention of each other in speeches wives kept well away from each other.

OH PLEASE. I bloody hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, what is this, Days of Our Lives? Some of you folks trying to turn this into a soap opera based on what people _didn't_ say and how they might have said it.

People have long complained about Tigers media treatment in the past, all the crap about "basket case" and "disjointed boards". This has been dramatically turned around in 2018 - very few negative stories, very few club leaks, no lack of unity… but this kind of buy-in nonsense from some fans about body language is exactly what keeps the media ticking over. Penrith sacks their coach and people go all weird about our coach based on rumour.

Who cares what Breen said, he opens his fat mouth every week and nonsense constantly pours out. The journo himself even joked that "eventually one of my theories will be correct" - how a journo can even joke about such a thing, make light of the fact that most of what they predict (i.e. a component of their professional output) isn't true. The bloke hasn't any strike rate to boast of, and he didn't actually say anything about having any information - no updates, no quotes, no discussions with people - just his gut feeling "if he was a betting man". It's just crap to fill the constant requirement for content now in the paper, on ~10 NRL chat shows, the radio and a 24/7 pay-TV channel.

Ivan said he isn't going, who cares how he said it. If he goes, he goes, no debate or body language analysis today makes a lick of difference.

A little odd that you are still licking then if you feel that way, is it not?

Licking?
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I find FG's post on this subject to be quite cryptic.

Some of us are not quite as good at "reading between the lines" as he is.
 
no debate or body language analysis today makes a **lick** of difference.

A little odd that you are still licking then if you feel that way, is it not?

Licking?
 
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OH PLEASE. I bloody hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, what is this, Days of Our Lives? Some of you folks trying to turn this into a soap opera based on what people _didn't_ say and how they might have said it.

People have long complained about Tigers media treatment in the past, all the crap about "basket case" and "disjointed boards". This has been dramatically turned around in 2018 - very few negative stories, very few club leaks, no lack of unity… but this kind of buy-in nonsense from some fans about body language is exactly what keeps the media ticking over. Penrith sacks their coach and people go all weird about our coach based on rumour.

Who cares what Breen said, he opens his fat mouth every week and nonsense constantly pours out. The journo himself even joked that "eventually one of my theories will be correct" - how a journo can even joke about such a thing, make light of the fact that most of what they predict (i.e. a component of their professional output) isn't true. The bloke hasn't any strike rate to boast of, and he didn't actually say anything about having any information - no updates, no quotes, no discussions with people - just his gut feeling "if he was a betting man". It's just crap to fill the constant requirement for content now in the paper, on ~10 NRL chat shows, the radio and a 24/7 pay-TV channel.

Ivan said he isn't going, who cares how he said it. If he goes, he goes, no debate or body language analysis today makes a **lick** of difference.

A little odd that you are still licking then if you feel that way, is it not?

Licking?

I find FG's post on this subject to be quite cryptic.

Some of us are not quite as good at "reading between the lines" as he is.
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Simply the words within the lines, just as the bold one above.
 
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A little odd that you are still licking then if you feel that way, is it not?

Licking?

I find FG's post on this subject to be quite cryptic.

Some of us are not quite as good at "reading between the lines" as he is.

Simply the words within the lines, just as the bold one above.
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Well on a technical level, yes, I am still "licking". Lick as meaning "a small amount of work", so I am indeed applying a small amount of work to this topic.

I periodically check the topic to see if there is any real information, but I mostly see conspiracy theory nonsense based on body language and twitter and nutter journos, and the comment about Pascoe's and Cleary's wives "avoiding each other" tipped me over the edge. I'm still hoping it was a sarcastic comment.
 
Do people not realise that it is always in the best interests of the media to draw out any headline or article they can? It doesn't matter if what they're saying is true or false, all that matters is it generates interest from the public.
With a huge fanbase at WT, and a lot of gullible fans, we are the cash cows of the media. Every article on a website will get tens, if not hundreds of thousands of views. And the ad revenue that goes with it.
Therefore the media won't ever say that he's staying. That's boring. Doesn't generate any more articles, or make them any more money.
 
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