Ivan Cleary

[happy_tiger]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

Well where did the accusation come from? It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere?

Lets be honest , if a referee listened to every comment made to him coming off at HT or FT they wouldn't last 50 games in the job

Unless Iv got in Klein's grill he wouldn't have been paying attention

 

[Geo]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

Well where did the accusation come from? It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere?

Fox sports 'reporters'

 

[happy_tiger]

The other big issue which is becoming apparent is how many former politicians are becoming involved in the game

The right people to lead the game forward are being forced out by imbecilic politicians whose only claim to fame is being able to get the numbers to oust the right people in the game

Mark Coyne is a good example , made a mistake yes , but Beattie rounded up the execution party

Peter Betros in Qld .....Terry Mackenroth help gets him out at QRL board level

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

Well where did the accusation come from? It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere?

Fox sports 'reporters'

I repeat: It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere.

 

[Furious1]

Ivan admitted in the presser he spoke to the ref.

 

[Geo]

Well I guess they deaf as well as blind..

 

[happy_tiger]

How many points of the ARL constitution is the game currently getting right ??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Rugby_League_Commission

 

[TIGER]

The referees should go off and make a stand over this

They should threaten to strike the 1st week of semis , understand this won't be a popular thought , but someone needs to stand up

Of everyone involved in the game ......they could hurt the most

But they've already said they never heard anything so they'd look silly to now take a stance over something they never heard

 

[TIGER]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

Well where did the accusation come from? It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere?

Lets be honest , if a referee listened to every comment made to him coming off at HT or FT they wouldn't last 50 games in the job

Unless Iv got in Klein's grill he wouldn't have been paying attention

I was at the game and as the officials left the field at half-time the crowd was absolutely giving it to them, I doubt they could hear much over the crowd.

 

[Tigerlily]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

Well where did the accusation come from? It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere?

Lets be honest , if a referee listened to every comment made to him coming off at HT or FT they wouldn't last 50 games in the job

Unless Iv got in Klein's grill he wouldn't have been paying attention

I was at the game and as the officials left the field at half-time the crowd was absolutely giving it to them, I doubt they could hear much over the crowd.

If you watch the below interview on Fox you will get a better idea..Apparently Cleary ousted himself in an interview then changed his statement when he fronted the NRL...So not only is he a con but a liar as well, Oh how the mighty have fallen.???

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/panthers/someone-should-be-sacked-paul-kents-alltime-nrl-spray-over-ivan-cleary-letoff/news-story/b246e99c17b3173fc9ea8ca9e45ccf54

 

[Arya Blind]

This is unbelievable.
How on earth could WT be sanctioned so harshly yet Ivan Cleary's actions reap zero punishment?
I am not making any comparisons between the two whatsoever but Ivan going to Penrith had more of a knock on effect than offering RF a post job at WT did.
He's helped destabilize a NRL team, ruined their salary cap situation and their short term and long term retention & recruitment.
Now he's allowed to approach referees in the most unprofessional manner??

What utter crap from the NRL. They're not even hiding their bias anymore.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This is unbelievable.
How on earth could WT be sanctioned so harshly yet Ivan Cleary's actions reap zero punishment?
I am not making any comparisons between the two whatsoever but Ivan going to Penrith had more of a knock on effect than offering RF a post job at WT did.
He's helped destabilize a NRL team, ruined their salary cap situation and their short term and long term retention & recruitment.

What utter crap from the NRL. They're not even hiding their bias anymore.

When was a coach of ours sanctioned for abusing a referee? Its never happened. So I don't get how this has turned into how unfair we've been treated over something we've never done.

 

[happy_tiger]

This is unbelievable.
How on earth could WT be sanctioned so harshly yet Ivan Cleary's actions reap zero punishment?
I am not making any comparisons between the two whatsoever but Ivan going to Penrith had more of a knock on effect than offering RF a post job at WT did.
He's helped destabilize a NRL team, ruined their salary cap situation and their short term and long term retention & recruitment.

What utter crap from the NRL. They're not even hiding their bias anymore.

When was a coach of ours sanctioned for abusing a referee? Its never happened. So I don't get how this has turned into how unfair we've been treated over something we've never done.

Yeah , the only thing our coaches could complain about is that the ref didn't stop the match earlier .....mercy ruling

 

[Arya Blind]

@GNR4LIFE
No was never implying that we had the same scenario and I believe only Trent Robinson's been fined for approaching referees - it amounted to $40K.
My point is its been done once before however there are zero repercussions for ICs actions.
We offer RF a post career job and get hit with $839K + fines. Bunnies and Inglis, also zero consequences.

Mate I finally can see how much our club has bungled up stuff over the years but I also realise there's a different set of rules applied to us.

 

[Jock Koss]

@GNR4LIFE we also NEVER cheated; I.e intentionally and if we were the Sharks/Melbourne/Bronx’s/Chooks then the salary cap penalty wouldn’t have existed, let alone de-registration of CEO. That was straight over the Cuckoo’s nest as no club previously caught or suspected to have done an Ambassadorship salary cap Rort was literally forced to not turn a profit and lose both independence at board level and an ENTIRE club being knifed for one bloke to then clearly, shirk he his duty of care and link up with Nathan at the first possible instance.

I believe the bloke you’re replying to is simply lamenting the fact that by now it should be quite blatantly obvious not just to head office, but the rest of the sheep following this sport that Cleary isn’t simply a con artist trapped between a rock & hard place; he acted criminally and is now conducting himself in that very same way at one of the NRL’s golden child clubs... all of a sudden no sanctions or even adequate reviews into the matter to be head.

You couldn’t misinterpret that inconsistency for anything other than bias.

 

[Jock Koss]

@Arya-Blind and now for a slightly rehashed Back to The Future quote... when the public wants answers to all of this, Greenzurg will say “where we are going , we don’t need *rules*”... then Coolly slide his metal shades over his shiny, bald forehead

Hopefully the Delorean malfunction’s and kills him as he attempts to return to rugby league glory days chased by a mob of angry Warriors, Eels, Cowboys and Tigers fans

 

[Tim Sheens]

The issue in itself isn’t much. But the games administration is administering a death by a thousand cuts.

I don't really believe that is true. Of course I cannot tell you what to believe.

NRL is actually in peak health, in terms of it's own history. Viewership is high, sponsorship high, membership all-time high, crowds high, media revenue all-time high. This might not be maintained and the league might not continue to grow, but currently it is as big as it's ever been, with only ever increasing competition from other sports like soccer and AFL.

Reffing has always been inconsistent, it's inherent to all contact sport, esp the more technical games. Rugby reffing is horrendous and soccer reffing is constant scandal. NFL reffing is super technical but they don't need to worry about "stops in play" because that's a natural component of the game.

The history of rugby league administration, for anyone who isn't an enthusiast or hasn't thought about it much, is absolutely riddled with cronyism and agendas. I would argue that 2019 is actually the most transparent and least agenda-driven that rugby league in Australia has ever been. And it has a lot to deal with, with the huge drive in social media, competition from other codes etc.

Rugby league in Australia has three fundamental challenges:

1) It's a heavy contact sport and it's hard to get juniors to sign up in massive numbers - you can't really change that, it's a game about getting hurt and dealing with it, and many kids and parents aren't cool with that.

2) Rugby League was literally created to serve the self-interest of the clubs and players. Rugby League didn't turn pro and split from Union because of some difference in ideology or a desire to change the rulebook - it was done for profit. There's a long path to walk to try and eliminate the self-interest from the code. Also, fundamentally, that self-interest is almost certainly impossible to eliminate, because sport is mutually exclusive competition - i.e. if you win, someone else definitely loses.

3) It's only played competitively in 3 Australian states, Auckland and Northern England. That is a very small global pool to select from for anything - players, gate takings, clubs, sponsorship, money, viewership etc.

It's a difficult sport to manage. They don't have the funds to compete with larger sports. But just take a look at the world's biggest sport and can anyone honestly say that FIFA do a tremendous job, with no controversy, no inconsistency, no hooliganism, no haves and have-nots, no imbalance, no bias, no corruption?

Everyone cares so everyone complains, which I understand, but also perspective helps. Maybe Ponga gets favoured calls and maybe Roosters have under-table deals. Consider that the juice in the orange, the controversy you secretly desire to make the experience more interesting. Consider the up-sides of having controversy, passion, rivalries, villains!

It is on life support, having been propped up by the influx of Polynesian players in recent decades, whilst the junior game participation has steadily dwindled and in many areas is now rapidly declining.

As someone wrote earlier, Ivan Cleary is a flog. One that admitted to talking to the ref/s, yet went unpunished.

 

[jirskyr]

People on FB and Twitter are generally unhappy about everything.

That's my point exactly. There is a lot of media noise nowadays and if you selectively listen to parts of it, you will hear only what you already think.

Take anything at all, any concept or review or opinion and almost all of those that are digested are either totally in agreement with your own, or totally opposite. For example, if you read product reviews on Amazon, the most easily available and the most likely searched for are the 5-star or 1-star ratings. On metacritic, it is the >90% or the <50% reviews. Nobody goes looking for "the middle" opinion, the "ok" opinion. Average Joe doesn't even write or post about something average, they only speak up if they love it or loathe it.

So yeah not at all surprised that @Cultured_Bogan can find lots of folks online who are disenfranchised. It's probably always been true that a significant proportion of League followers are falling away from the game, as new supporters come in. But in decades past, you didn't really hear about all the individual opinions. E.g. where are all the North Sydney supporters now? I am sure tens to perhaps hundreds of thousands of Bears supporters got pretty disenfranchised around 2000, but nobody was really listening in back then.

I personally am not disenfranchised with the NRL at all and I consciously avoid too much social media to try keep the bitching to a minimum. I focus on the actual matches played, and in that respect modern technology helps me connect with on-field action like never before.

And when we specifically talk about examples of "poor administration" by the NRL, things are offered up:
- failure to grow game in country, sometimes questionable support for international game
- potential salary cap issues, underhanded club deals, haves and have-nots
- perceived favouritism
- inconsistent decision-making in judiciary and refereeing

Probably all true to some extent.

But does one simultaneously balance those negatives with the known positives of the administration?
- Men of League and Beyond Blue
- NRL community programs - State of Mind, Voice Against Violence, School To work, League in Harmony
- Brain Cancer round
- Club engagement with schools
- New Women's NRL and rep competition, annual women's round
- Growth of Pacific Is footy and elevation of Tonga to Tier 1
- Indigenous round and All Stars match
- Amalgamation and oversight of Australia-wide touch football
- NRL active support of inclusivity, e.g. Macklemore, same-sex marriage statement, Israel Folau statement
- NRL concussion protocols and ongoing player safety
- RLPA bargaining agreement
- Largest ever TV deal
- NSW Govt investment in 3 state-of-art Rugby League stadiums
- Consistently top-rating Finals, Grand Final and Origin TV viewership
- Monopoly over Pay-TV highest rated programs
- Investment in NRL.com and match streaming technologies in partnership w Telstra and Foxtel
etc.

 

[jirskyr]

I wonder what the narrative would be had it been Maguire who gave an instruction to give a spray or sprayed himself..

Accosting the ref in the tunnel is not a good look.

Post match sprays are fine. It's not uncommon for a coach to snap in a post presser and wear a fine. It's another perceived inconsistency which is probably pissing people off.

Agree with your first line for sure..but I'm not convinced..the accosting part actually happened...the Refs themselves apparently didn't hear anything directly ...given what they are coping left right and centre from all angles would be pretty sure that would keep silent..

Well where did the accusation come from? It's a fantastic claim to originate from nowhere?

Fox sports 'reporters'

It made for a good "story" though.

 

[Sart0ri]

The internet is no place for calm rational discussion and acknowledging positives! I say we lynch him.