JAC

[GNR4LIFE]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

Because you’d be suggesting we offload our player of the year which is crazy. Instead you think the club should try and force out a young player, and have in the past suggested they threaten him with reserve grade if he doesn’t go, which is just as crazy.

 

[Tigercrb]

I can’t see JAC at the Storm in 2021. He seemed adamant in the lead up to the GF, and in the aftermath that that was it for him.

I can't either.
What has changed with his family situation that he no longer needs to be in Sydney?
Will he really forego potentially $300-$500k (depending what rumours you believe) to stay at Melbourne for another year?

I doubt it, seems like a tactic to make a club panic and up their offer or give up a player they are reluctant to release to Melbourne.

And also, all this talk of just giving Melbourne this or that player. It's not that simple, players under contract don't have to just move clubs because they are told to. The player must agree.

Melbourne will never get a like for like replacement. An international winger, premiership winner and fastest player in the comp, on $300k a year? They don't exist.

We probably have momo on about that coin.

 

[Tigercrb]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

I'm not sure that Melbourne holds the prestige amongst the players that it once did.

Smith likely to retire, Bellamy likely to move on in 12 months. Lost alot of good players this year. It felt like a last hurrah.

The fall of Melbourne we have been predicting for years might be 12 months away??

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

Because you’d be suggesting we offload our player of the year which is crazy. Instead you think the club should try and force out a young player, and have in the past suggested they threaten him with reserve grade if he doesn’t go, which is just as crazy.

I'm sorry.. did I say that in this post ? I know we can't force talau into reserve grade so hence I had not repeated that commenting was a bit unrelaistic !
what would you have us do then ?
keep talau and nofo and miss out on JAC for 2021
let's do nothing then

 

[Snake]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

I'm not sure that Melbourne holds the prestige amongst the players that it once did.

Smith likely to retire, Bellamy likely to move on in 12 months. Lost alot of good players this year. It felt like a last hurrah.

The fall of Melbourne we have been predicting for years might be 12 months away??

Agree with this the word would be out about Melbourne’s swan song year ! Seems difficult for them to sign a couple of quality wingers this in itself should tell the story .... players are not lining up to go down to Melbourne!
Harry will be looking for a new club 2022 if he has good advice ,I reckon Talau would jump at the chance if Bellamy was there for a few more seasons why would you do that knowing the end is near and he can be a regular 1st grader at the Tigers .

 

[the_third]

Heads of agreement is for 2021

Worthless it’s non binding. No idea why we even agreed to it with Bryson’s around. It’s actually pathetic


I’m so happy you’re not negotiating contracts. There’s a certain amount of task tension surrounding career defining contracts. Sometimes best to take small steps first.
What I still don’t understand is why it’s off. It’s not off until one of the 3 parties involved say it is, and I’ve read or heard nothing like that.

Heads of agreements are nothing. It’s a fairly simple concept, regardless of what 3rd party sponsor you claim to know.

If I go off what you are saying - he has a heads of agreement with us meaning he is going to sign. Probably means his manager should stop talking to other clubs then. That’s certainly not the case.

Now it is claimed he wants to stay at Melbourne.

As I said, heads of agreement mean nothing at all. As do non compete clauses for us non sportsmen. Legal jumbo jumbo that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

 

[TigerWest]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

Because you’d be suggesting we offload our player of the year which is crazy. Instead you think the club should try and force out a young player, and have in the past suggested they threaten him with reserve grade if he doesn’t go, which is just as crazy.

I'm sorry.. did I say that in this post ? I know we can't force talau into reserve grade so hence I had not repeated that commenting was a bit unrelaistic !
what would you have us do then ?
keep talau and nofo and miss out on JAC for 2021
let's do nothing then

I think it is now obvious that he doesn’t want to come now and if that’s the case why throw money at him, we did that with LM and it didn’t work either.
I am sure we have a plan B that will be used if required.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

I'm not sure that Melbourne holds the prestige amongst the players that it once did.

Smith likely to retire, Bellamy likely to move on in 12 months. Lost alot of good players this year. It felt like a last hurrah.

The fall of Melbourne we have been predicting for years might be 12 months away??

Same could be said when Cronk left. They’ll be there or thereabouts again next year. With or without Smith. Grant will make a difference.

 

[Tigercrb]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

I'm not sure that Melbourne holds the prestige amongst the players that it once did.

Smith likely to retire, Bellamy likely to move on in 12 months. Lost alot of good players this year. It felt like a last hurrah.

The fall of Melbourne we have been predicting for years might be 12 months away??


Same could be said when Cronk left. They’ll be there or thereabouts again next year. With or without Smith. Grant will make a difference.

True. But it's not just Smith. Vunuvalu, addo carr, tino. All very good players.

They will still be competitive but I am very interested to see how they go when Bellamy leaves.

I just feel that players might have second thoughts about going there, not knowing if Bellamy will be there beyond next year.

If Bellamy extends, then it will be business as usual and players will want to go there still

 

[Russell]

https://twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1322831679732424704?s=21

Can’t understand not wanting to give them Talau especially now Josh is willing to stay at Melbourne for another season

Unless Talau becomes an Australian level player it will not be worth it. Maybe they think that highly of him at the club

1 They probably do think that much of him.

2 Maybe (you and a lot of others don't just Get it) just maybe he doesn't want to go to Melbourne. Personally they would have to offer me three times as much to live in that stinking place.

Same scenario again for Nofo.

People just think you only have to say "we are going to swap you for JAC" and the player in question says "Oh! good, I'll go and pack my bags." No one has said it is only for a year either, I think they are looking on a permanent basis.

 

[JC99]

https://twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1322831679732424704?s=21

Can’t understand not wanting to give them Talau especially now Josh is willing to stay at Melbourne for another season

Unless Talau becomes an Australian level player it will not be worth it. Maybe they think that highly of him at the club

1 They probably do think that much of him.

2 Maybe (you and a lot of others don't just Get it) just maybe he doesn't want to go to Melbourne. Personally they would have to pffer me three times as much to live in that stinking place.

Same scenario again for Nofo.

People just think you only have to say "we are going to swap you for JAC" and the player in question says "Oh! good, I'll go and pack my bags." No one has said it is only for a year either, I think they are looking on a permanent basis.

He might not want to go but sounds like they have not even asked him and haven’t entertained the idea at all.

If I’m a player I’d take a pay cut to go to Melbourne, you’ll improve massively as a player and win premierships leading to bigger money contracts later on.

 

[earl]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

Because you’d be suggesting we offload our player of the year which is crazy. Instead you think the club should try and force out a young player, and have in the past suggested they threaten him with reserve grade if he doesn’t go, which is just as crazy.

I'm sorry.. did I say that in this post ? I know we can't force talau into reserve grade so hence I had not repeated that commenting was a bit unrelaistic !
what would you have us do then ?
keep talau and nofo and miss out on JAC for 2021
let's do nothing then

You are making up a narrative in your head that may not concur with reality. I don't believe we need to do any trade deals. If JAC wants to sign he can. He has to sign for 2022. I bet Melbourne will let him go anyway but that is beside the point.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

On the radio a few minutes ago, headline was JAC could stay at the Storm. But the actual story is Storm want a replacement.

JAC is crucial to our rebuild. Get the deal done.

It'd be great to get him but making it so one dimensional isn't helpful. He'd be good but he isn't the key to our rebuild. The key is developing a quality squad. JAC would help us do that but if we miss out there will be other players.

We need quality. JAC is quality and has a soft spot for WTs. The cast offs and rejects mentioned from other clubs don't cut it.

I'm not doubting that JAC is a quality player and we want to get him. I'm just stating that you don't control that outcome. You put a good offer in, you don't get caught up in the media and fan dribble and you let JAC make the decision.

At the same time you are continually on the lookout for players that will fit our system.

If cast offs and rejects fit our system and the players we want here and you can get them a little cheaper go for it. I reckon Douiehi is a classic example of a guy we can build around and he is a reject.

The players we need rarely find their way to the reject bin. Why do some coaches believe they can magically turn DWZ into a an incisive, consistent strike centre or winger? When he shows you whom he is, believe him! Is it arrogance that I know better than anyone else? I am concerned we purchased Leilua J whom is a dud. I don't want that repeated otherwise my faith in the new management would be sorely tried.

 

[twentyforty]

Heads of agreement is for 2021

Worthless it’s non binding. No idea why we even agreed to it with Bryson’s around. It’s actually pathetic


I’m so happy you’re not negotiating contracts. There’s a certain amount of task tension surrounding career defining contracts. Sometimes best to take small steps first.
What I still don’t understand is why it’s off. It’s not off until one of the 3 parties involved say it is, and I’ve read or heard nothing like that.

Heads of agreements are nothing. It’s a fairly simple concept, regardless of what 3rd party sponsor you claim to know.

If I go off what you are saying - he has a heads of agreement with us meaning he is going to sign. Probably means his manager should stop talking to other clubs then. That’s certainly not the case.

Now it is claimed he wants to stay at Melbourne.

As I said, heads of agreement mean nothing at all. As do non compete clauses for us non sportsmen. Legal jumbo jumbo that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

What I’m saying is a HOA May be legally non binding but wether it’s binding depends on the intentions
/ integrity of the parties involved. Those parties are WT , the player and his manager. Until there is a direct quote from one of those 3 saying that it means nothing then I’ll accept that. I won’t be taking any notice of opinion pieces by journos .
I know you and others wish the HOA was a contract, but it’s not.

 

[earl]

On the radio a few minutes ago, headline was JAC could stay at the Storm. But the actual story is Storm want a replacement.

JAC is crucial to our rebuild. Get the deal done.

It'd be great to get him but making it so one dimensional isn't helpful. He'd be good but he isn't the key to our rebuild. The key is developing a quality squad. JAC would help us do that but if we miss out there will be other players.

We need quality. JAC is quality and has a soft spot for WTs. The cast offs and rejects mentioned from other clubs don't cut it.

I'm not doubting that JAC is a quality player and we want to get him. I'm just stating that you don't control that outcome. You put a good offer in, you don't get caught up in the media and fan dribble and you let JAC make the decision.

At the same time you are continually on the lookout for players that will fit our system.

If cast offs and rejects fit our system and the players we want here and you can get them a little cheaper go for it. I reckon Douiehi is a classic example of a guy we can build around and he is a reject.

The players we need rarely find their way to the reject bin. Why do some coaches believe they can magically turn DWZ into a an incisive, consistent strike centre or winger? When he shows you whom he is, believe him! Is it arrogance that I know better than anyone else? I am concerned we purchased Leilua J whom is a dud. I don't want that repeated otherwise my faith in the new management would be sorely tried.

BJ is a good example to me of a good contract for us. The guy can play. When he is one he is really good. He just has a lot of downsides to his game as well. We can get rid of him though after this season so he has to perform. That is why it's a good contract. The downside isn't that bad.

I get what you are stating though. We need quality players to improve and that means top end players. It's hard to purchase those guys though. It's not often they come on the market. I don't think we can rely on signing those guys.

 

[Russell]

https://twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1322831679732424704?s=21

Can’t understand not wanting to give them Talau especially now Josh is willing to stay at Melbourne for another season

Unless Talau becomes an Australian level player it will not be worth it. Maybe they think that highly of him at the club

Hey Josh
Don’t be sucker mate .... it’s a game game of bluff poker.
We don’t need to give them anything that we want/need to keep.

Melbourne will be quite happy to keep him another season, they get a top quality winger on the cheap it’s much better for them. They can hold out for a swap all season long if need be

Come 2022 the entire nrl will chase him and we will have no chance.

Then that's the way it plays out.

Then we miss out on yet another big signing due to our club being dumb. Not really on board with that one

Yeah we disagree on that. I don't believe in giving up a player to sign another.

Why not if it is going to strengthen the team

Because you don't get full value out of the player you are signing, we will be stronger on that wing but weaker somewhere else. So for full freight of what JAC is worth we get all his skill but we minus what Nofa brings to the team. We don't have a ready made replacement that brings what Nofa brings so we either find someone that matches him or we lose out in that position. Now overall we end up with a net gain, but is the net gain we achieve worth what we are paying JAC at full freight.

We have offered him what he is worth with a chance to earn more. He either comes or he doesn't.

If it's one or the other I'd take JAC over Noff. Swapping Talau or Momo wouldn't take a second to think about

I'd take JAC over Nofa too, but that is not what I was saying. We are willing to pay full freight on JAC, by giving up a player we don't get full worth unless we can find another player to replace what Nofa does for the team..

I see what your saying, but the value of having JAC will still be better than have Noff.
I wouldn't give him up straight away ,
but if it came down to being the clincher then seeyaa Noff.

No the clincher is "See ya JAC" because Nofo doesn't want to go and Madge doesn't want him to go.

That doesn't take a second either.

 

[TrueTiger]

I smell a rat in Redfern,Roberts not required,Allen shopped around under the guise of upgrading LM....
Lets see,I dont think they can get the cap right to squeeze in JAC for 2021,but if they get rid of some player(s)and get the cap right for 2022 then they get JAC,thats why the "I can stay in Melb for one more year"..
I dont think the family situation has changed,I think he wants to be with the brotherhood...his manager has used us as a vehicle hence the HOA....the deal with us is just a foil,we havent got anyone to swap with,Melb know it and Jacs manager knows it..

 

[GNR4LIFE]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

Because you’d be suggesting we offload our player of the year which is crazy. Instead you think the club should try and force out a young player, and have in the past suggested they threaten him with reserve grade if he doesn’t go, which is just as crazy.

I'm sorry.. did I say that in this post ? I know we can't force talau into reserve grade so hence I had not repeated that commenting was a bit unrelaistic !
what would you have us do then ?
keep talau and nofo and miss out on JAC for 2021
let's do nothing then

For some reason, you’ve made up your mind that the only way to get JAC is by trading someone. We don’t have to do that. We can sign him 2022, then the Storm may be inclined to release him early. With that scenario available to us, why would we want to give anyone up?

 

[the_third]

Heads of agreement is for 2021

Worthless it’s non binding. No idea why we even agreed to it with Bryson’s around. It’s actually pathetic


I’m so happy you’re not negotiating contracts. There’s a certain amount of task tension surrounding career defining contracts. Sometimes best to take small steps first.
What I still don’t understand is why it’s off. It’s not off until one of the 3 parties involved say it is, and I’ve read or heard nothing like that.

Heads of agreements are nothing. It’s a fairly simple concept, regardless of what 3rd party sponsor you claim to know.

If I go off what you are saying - he has a heads of agreement with us meaning he is going to sign. Probably means his manager should stop talking to other clubs then. That’s certainly not the case.

Now it is claimed he wants to stay at Melbourne.

As I said, heads of agreement mean nothing at all. As do non compete clauses for us non sportsmen. Legal jumbo jumbo that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.


What I’m saying is a HOA May be legally non binding but wether it’s binding depends on the intentions
/ integrity of the parties involved. Those parties are WT , the player and his manager. Until there is a direct quote from one of those 3 saying that it means nothing then I’ll accept that. I won’t be taking any notice of opinion pieces by journos .
I know you and others wish the HOA was a contract, but it’s not.

Mate I don’t wish it was a contract, I’m simply saying it’s completely worthless. It’s binding is no better than a verbal yes, a handshake, hug over coffee or whatever. That’s legal fact, and not the opinion of a journo.

Relying on intentions etc means nothing, unless you trust player managers.

Putting it out there was a ridiculous move - just sets us up for a fail if it doesn’t come off. Media will kill us agAin...after signing a HOA, JAC backflips and stays at storm, signs with blah and tigers are a poorly managed club

We know he has a contract in front of him
We know (as of now) he hasn’t signed
We know he’s exploring options
We know other clubs are interested
We don’t know what he’s going to do, regardless of the HOA

Proof of his interest is when it’s signed, until then it’s all speculation, innuendo and rumour. False hope from the club is not what’s needed by the fans.

Madge contract is a good step forward

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

if we didn't have covid talau would probably jump and a move to Bellamy and the storm. I'm not having a go at talau as a player hebhas had a good first year but the chance to entice a current rep player to club i think the club should have encouraged a talau move to storm thats all
God imagine if it was Nofo for suggested move the place would be in meltdown

Because you’d be suggesting we offload our player of the year which is crazy. Instead you think the club should try and force out a young player, and have in the past suggested they threaten him with reserve grade if he doesn’t go, which is just as crazy.

I'm sorry.. did I say that in this post ? I know we can't force talau into reserve grade so hence I had not repeated that commenting was a bit unrelaistic !
what would you have us do then ?
keep talau and nofo and miss out on JAC for 2021
let's do nothing then


For some reason, you’ve made up your mind that the only way to get JAC is by trading someone. We don’t have to do that. We can sign him 2022, then the Storm may be inclined to release him early. With that scenario available to us, why would we want to give anyone up?

I thought I had seen somewhere he was interested from 2021 not 2022 if he had to wait as he wanted to get to sydney this year. If that stance had changed with JAC then 2022 would be good and we dont have to give anyone up. Agree perfect world we sign for 2022 and hope we get a release early but other sharks probably in the water then too like Souths wanting to offer too