JAC

[diedpretty]

Take this points system dribble elsewhere

It doesn't have to be a points system
A market value would be fare
And this would only need to be used when a player is looking at changing clubs not being re signed at his existing club

Would last five minutes in court if the Players Union (or someone willing to payroll) challenged it. Clear restraint of trade.


Its not a restraint of trade if the club can pay the player whatever they agree to.

It is when you are potentially preventing them from playing for a team on a wage they both agree to.


Thats not restraint of trade - you are not stopping them from playing. Just because they want to play for X but have to play for Y because X can't fit you in is not restraint.

Of course it is, an employee as a right to choose their employer.


So if i have the qualifications and choose to work at IBM and they don't employ me its a restraint of trade?

Now you're jyst being argumentative. Of course it's not because they don't want you. That is not the situation in this case. You are preventing someone from playing at a club at a price both parties agree to over what you think he should be paid.

You are just being argumenattive as well - restrictions happen now under the cap - so clubs rearrange their roster to fit players in - the same would happen with a market based system - the only real restraint in sport is a draft - because that is putting a restriction on who you can play for.

 

[twentyforty]

I’d like to turn your attention momentarily to JAC?
When or if we land him, what do we have to offer by way of specialist FB coaching? Do we bring in one of our old #1? Or do we let Foxx wing it so to speak? Or has the FB role become so intertwined within the team that it only requires limited skills training? What do other teams do?
"[Papenhuyzen] has really matured this year, I'm sure he'd be the first one to say he's had a lot of help off Billy [Slater] and he's been very grateful for that," Bellamy said.

If we do get someone in like Storm do, who is that person?

 

[hobbo1]

Just abolish the salary cap
Survival of the richest !

 

[twentyforty]

Just abolish the salary cap
Survival of the richest !

Or examine the essential costs in growing the game which clubs outlay and instead of growing the establishment, grow the game by redirecting funds to those areas?

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Take this points system dribble elsewhere

It doesn't have to be a points system
A market value would be fare
And this would only need to be used when a player is looking at changing clubs not being re signed at his existing club

Would last five minutes in court if the Players Union (or someone willing to payroll) challenged it. Clear restraint of trade.

Can a $9.4 million cap be thought of as a restraint of trade ?
Because the league has set that figure

POssibly, but hasnt been tested, but that is not what you are talking about, you are talking about setting arbitrary values. What if Teddy wanted to come to the Tigers and we had $300K to offer him and he said yes but NRL said no he is worth $700K and cant come?

(If another club offers him $700k then that is market value and his value
So if we don't have the available funds then we can't sign him simple
Stay where he is or go to another club with available funds)

What is JAC's value
$600,000 as an untried fullback?

A player has the right to earn as much as possible (we all know and understand that) and that is determined by what a club is willing to pay


and that is the current system, not what you are suggesting.

(Yes but signing with clubs for unders should be stopped
If we have funds to sign a player for $600,000 but he chooses to go to another club for $400,000 that is his choice
But the club that signs him should have $600,000 deducted from their cap
That is how teams like Roosters and souths stack their teams
By signing players on paper for under market value)

Therefore the larger amount offered to a player should set a players value (not undervalued)
And that is the value that should be used and applied against the cap

Do you realise what the cap is for? It is not to level the talent, it is to stop clubs going broke. What you are suggesting would encourage the Tigers or Bulldogs to offer a Teddy $3M to force Roosters hands,

(It is both
To stop clubs going broke and to spread the talent )
(Tell me why Harry wasn't allowed to pay 3rd party payments to lure players to our club
Its his money, not the clubs
So why is this not allowed
We all assume Rusty and Nick do it)

Or
Think of it as $1 equals 1 point (like flybuys)
Each club has 9,400,000 points to spend
You can only get so much with your points


Make up your mind. Points? Market value? NRL set value?.

(Nrl do not set the Value
The bidding clubs do
My point is $ or points should make no difference
Each has a value
Each club has an allowance
They should not be allowed to exceed that no matter which value is used
And the good thing is all clubs bidding for a player have a chance to set a players value
You bid highest then you buy
Player says no I want to go souths, then souths have that bid off there cap regardless of what they say they pay)

Just thinking
If all clubs interested in a player submit a tender to the nrl. Said player cannot accept a contract of lesser value of top offer by say 15%.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Just abolish the salary cap
Survival of the richest !

As evidenced by the current situation, abolishing the cap isn't necessary. It is already survival of the richest.

 

[hobbo1]

Just abolish the salary cap
Survival of the richest !

As evidenced by the current situation, abolishing the cap isn't necessary. It is already survival of the richest.

Nothing to see then ... play on

 

[mikey]

Does anybody else get the sense JAC is a complete lunatic?

But he could be our lunatic 🙂 I still want him for his competitive nature - we need to instill that in some of our crew.

 

[Telltails]

Just abolish the salary cap
Survival of the richest !

As evidenced by the current situation, abolishing the cap isn't necessary. It is already survival of the richest.

Nothing to see then ... play on

The rich clubs would hate the salary cap to be abolished - they wouldnt be able to afford to monoplize the best talent like they currently do.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

So what’s everybody going bananas over ? He said next stop Redfern? Did he say this just after thier grand final victory ? It’s pretty on the nose for him to say something like that at that point , considering what he’d just accomplished with his mates , IF , big IF, he meant it the way you guys are implying . I highly doubt his head would have been there even if he was “screw these guys, I’m out !”. He’s probably referring to party town , ie.“ I’m going to party in Redfern now with my mates , yeww !

What’s more likely , a 25 year old in lockdown for 6 months , who just won the GF, being like “ah my contract situation is the most important thing right now” , OR...
“I’ve just won the GF this is the greatest day of my life , where’s the beer bong “

 

[cochise]

Take this points system dribble elsewhere

It doesn't have to be a points system
A market value would be fare
And this would only need to be used when a player is looking at changing clubs not being re signed at his existing club

Would last five minutes in court if the Players Union (or someone willing to payroll) challenged it. Clear restraint of trade.


Its not a restraint of trade if the club can pay the player whatever they agree to.

It is when you are potentially preventing them from playing for a team on a wage they both agree to.


Thats not restraint of trade - you are not stopping them from playing. Just because they want to play for X but have to play for Y because X can't fit you in is not restraint.

Of course it is, an employee as a right to choose their employer.


So if i have the qualifications and choose to work at IBM and they don't employ me its a restraint of trade?

Now you're jyst being argumentative. Of course it's not because they don't want you. That is not the situation in this case. You are preventing someone from playing at a club at a price both parties agree to over what you think he should be paid.


You are just being argumenattive as well - restrictions happen now under the cap - so clubs rearrange their roster to fit players in - the same would happen with a market based system - the only real restraint in sport is a draft - because that is putting a restriction on who you can play for.

This has the potential to as well

 

[JC99]

So what’s everybody going bananas over ? He said next stop Redfern? Did he say this just after thier grand final victory ? It’s pretty on the nose for him to say something like that at that point , considering what he’d just accomplished with his mates , IF , big IF, he meant it the way you guys are implying . I highly doubt his head would have been there even if he was “screw these guys, I’m out !”. He’s probably referring to party town , ie.“ I’m going to party in Redfern now with my mates , yeww !

What’s more likely , a 25 year old in lockdown for 6 months , who just won the GF, being like “ah my contract situation is the most important thing right now” , OR...
“I’ve just won the GF this is the greatest day of my life , where’s the beer bong “

Yeah he’s gonna be partying for a few days then he’ll be in origin camp. Signing a contract might take a little longer than usual for him

 

[WswWt]

@Everything-WT your posts always get deleted?

 

[mikey]

The rich clubs would hate the salary cap to be abolished - they wouldnt be able to afford to monoplize the best talent like they currently do.

I think it would be the opposite - they would love it. Look at EPL and other soccer comps.
The salary cap was purportedly brought in to stop that but as usual it appears the devious and dishonest can find ways around anything.

 

[Telltails]

The rich clubs would hate the salary cap to be abolished - they wouldnt be able to afford to monoplize the best talent like they currently do.

I think it would be the opposite - they would love it. Look at EPL and other soccer comps.
The salary cap was purportedly brought in to stop that but as usual it appears the devious and dishonest can find ways around anything.

Not enough money in NRL to compare to EPL.

 

[Viking Warrior]

I still think he is coming, all this talk in the media is just his manager trying to get us to offer more.

 

[mikey]

The rich clubs would hate the salary cap to be abolished - they wouldnt be able to afford to monoplize the best talent like they currently do.

I think it would be the opposite - they would love it. Look at EPL and other soccer comps.
The salary cap was purportedly brought in to stop that but as usual it appears the devious and dishonest can find ways around anything.

Not enough money in NRL to compare to EPL.

Agreed that the amounts available are very different but the principle still applies.

 

[HowDugWT]

I still think he is coming, all this talk in the media is just his manager trying to get us to offer more.

Never trust NRL JOURNALISM

 

[clontarfkid]

Cant see how any club can possibly compete with the prospect of playing with yr best buddies in a top 4 club,with all financial needs looked after "comprehensively" by Uncle Ru$ty
Timing of James Roberts announcement last week suggests deal already done with Bunnies.How the fit him under the cap with Arrow coming plus several upgrades to young players ..and only Roberts leaving(to probably go nowhere)
Not sure how JAC will develop personally with those same buddies,and without the influence of Bellamy and Smith shaping his behaviour,particularly if Bennett bails

 

[momo_amp_medo]

What a impatient bunch!
Now just fold your arms, sit still and upright in your chairs.....and wait for official announcement by someone in the know.