Jackson Hastings #251

[batboy]

Tbf, I haven’t seen him talk up his ability, just at how good of a guy he seems to be. Which is great, you always want to consider yourself a good person, and he could potentially be a very good representative for the club. However, that’s for others to judge you on, not for you to go around proclaiming it. And I know a lot on here will say he is a good guy and want to give him marks, but we’re still firmly in the honeymoon period. If he comes out onto the field and doesn’t live up to expectations, doesn’t lead us etc, people will forget real fast what a good guy he is.

It’s all good for the Tele man, but the only guys I’ve very heard drumming into all and sundry how much of a good person they are, and how they’ve turned their life around - are guys that aren’t entirely being truthful.
It’s almost like when an addict tells you they’re clean…
Speaking on such - all the media “turned his life around” stories, you’d think he was a heroin addict or something… I don’t remember his life being that out of control - he was just a loud mouth clown with tickets on himself,..

He'll be fine, his not just talk, got ta remember his been living what he has been saying in England.

He didn't cease to exist when he left the nrl.

NRL is a different ball game. The Storm and Roosters are a step up in class to Castleford and Huddersfield. Its Queensland Cup. Maybe half a step above.

It's fine man, What are you worried about....
If it doesn't work our for him, And he doesn't fire
He can just blame Brooks.....

Like the rest of the world...

In your opinion who is to blame for the last 10 years?

The organisation as a whole....

We fell apart when we didn't win the comp 2010-12
Then we ridiculously overpaid to keep a crop of Juniors coming through and expected them to take us to glory on their own.. Sironen, Simona, Woods to an extent....
Brooks and Moses were getting 450k when they'd played 1 game between the 2 of em, 600k in their 2nd year... Which is nuts for kids, Especially in back 2013-2014!!

This was on the back of Poor signings like Blair, Lawrence's overpriced contract not working out (600k a year for 5 years, Or whatever it was at the time) Even Farah, at 950k in 2013 is 50/50 on value for money a that time....
We were paying Heighington, Ayshford, Fifita, Gibbs and however many else to play against us.
Trying to fix poor decisions with knee jerk reactions / more poor decisions.

After all that - it's been a constant of band-aid after band-aid... McQueen, Packer, Matulino, Mbye, Reynolds...

We've never financially recovered since 2011-2012. Coupling that with a couple coaching experiments, poor business decisions from Humpty, Mayer etc, a couple disgruntled players legging it on us...

I love the people bagging on Pascoe, And their short memories....
Mayer, Humpty even Noyce before him - I know who's doing a better job.
Those blaming Pascoe for Ivans signings, fair play - he backed his coach 100%
and got railed from behind.. But he learned that lesson, And since has barley done anything untoward... So know they bag his dress sense and haircut.

He's doing his job, as is Madge, As is Brooks....
Just needs to come together - And I for one have been more confident that it will than I ever have been to be fair that is probably will.
2005 was a bit of a fluke if we're honest,
Up to here for the last 10 years, Has been hard work - and making every mistake possible.
A bit of luck, and another good signing or 2... And the WT's is a whole different vibe.

He has had a few screwups old pascoe.
Ivan, Robbie's job after footy.
At the end of the day he is responsible.
Buck stops with him and the board

Yep...
He's the only CEO that offered a marque player post football in the history of the game...
Out of all of em, He's the only one.

He's the one that did it for the WT's, And because it's the WT's - The NRL found a problem with it....

The only one stupid enough to broadcast it to the media.

HAHA!! - Yeah... That's what happened.
Think you'll find Farah / His management made him commit the gentlemans agreement to paper - and that's where the problem was.

 

[gallagher]

Tbf, I haven’t seen him talk up his ability, just at how good of a guy he seems to be. Which is great, you always want to consider yourself a good person, and he could potentially be a very good representative for the club. However, that’s for others to judge you on, not for you to go around proclaiming it. And I know a lot on here will say he is a good guy and want to give him marks, but we’re still firmly in the honeymoon period. If he comes out onto the field and doesn’t live up to expectations, doesn’t lead us etc, people will forget real fast what a good guy he is.

It’s all good for the Tele man, but the only guys I’ve very heard drumming into all and sundry how much of a good person they are, and how they’ve turned their life around - are guys that aren’t entirely being truthful.
It’s almost like when an addict tells you they’re clean…
Speaking on such - all the media “turned his life around” stories, you’d think he was a heroin addict or something… I don’t remember his life being that out of control - he was just a loud mouth clown with tickets on himself,..

He'll be fine, his not just talk, got ta remember his been living what he has been saying in England.

He didn't cease to exist when he left the nrl.

NRL is a different ball game. The Storm and Roosters are a step up in class to Castleford and Huddersfield. Its Queensland Cup. Maybe half a step above.

It's fine man, What are you worried about....
If it doesn't work our for him, And he doesn't fire
He can just blame Brooks.....

Like the rest of the world...

In your opinion who is to blame for the last 10 years?

The organisation as a whole....

We fell apart when we didn't win the comp 2010-12
Then we ridiculously overpaid to keep a crop of Juniors coming through and expected them to take us to glory on their own.. Sironen, Simona, Woods to an extent....
Brooks and Moses were getting 450k when they'd played 1 game between the 2 of em, 600k in their 2nd year... Which is nuts for kids, Especially in back 2013-2014!!

This was on the back of Poor signings like Blair, Lawrence's overpriced contract not working out (600k a year for 5 years, Or whatever it was at the time) Even Farah, at 950k in 2013 is 50/50 on value for money a that time....
We were paying Heighington, Ayshford, Fifita, Gibbs and however many else to play against us.
Trying to fix poor decisions with knee jerk reactions / more poor decisions.

After all that - it's been a constant of band-aid after band-aid... McQueen, Packer, Matulino, Mbye, Reynolds...

We've never financially recovered since 2011-2012. Coupling that with a couple coaching experiments, poor business decisions from Humpty, Mayer etc, a couple disgruntled players legging it on us...

I love the people bagging on Pascoe, And their short memories....
Mayer, Humpty even Noyce before him - I know who's doing a better job.
Those blaming Pascoe for Ivans signings, fair play - he backed his coach 100%
and got railed from behind.. But he learned that lesson, And since has barley done anything untoward... So know they bag his dress sense and haircut.

He's doing his job, as is Madge, As is Brooks....
Just needs to come together - And I for one have been more confident that it will than I ever have been to be fair that is probably will.
2005 was a bit of a fluke if we're honest,
Up to here for the last 10 years, Has been hard work - and making every mistake possible.
A bit of luck, and another good signing or 2... And the WT's is a whole different vibe.

He has had a few screwups old pascoe.
Ivan, Robbie's job after footy.
At the end of the day he is responsible.
Buck stops with him and the board

Yep...
He's the only CEO that offered a marque player post football in the history of the game...
Out of all of em, He's the only one.

He's the one that did it for the WT's, And because it's the WT's - The NRL found a problem with it....

The only one stupid enough to broadcast it to the media.

HAHA!! - Yeah... That's what happened.
Think you'll find Farah / His management made him commit the gentlemans agreement to paper - and that's where the problem was.

So he didn't talk about it to the media? Pretty sure he did

 

[hank37w]

Brenden Fingers hey? That changes everything

Could be related to Passionate Fingers.

 

[TieDye]

Brenden Fingers hey? That changes everything

Could be related to Passionate Fingers.

Or Old 'Choccy' Fingers

 

[Demps]


A glimpse at the new halves pairing ???
🤔

 

[twentyforty]

Whinging about Hastings while defending Brooks. Fmd. Some of you guys are so used to mediocrity you enjoy it🙄

Hahaha, or whinging about Brooks and praising Hastings?
It’s a team game.
It would not surprise me if Brooks got a recall into the Blues train on squad this year.

 

[PJ_]


A glimpse at the new halves pairing ???
🤔

I dont know what to make of Jock. Haven't seen him play that much.
Could be.

 

[PJ_]

Whinging about Hastings while defending Brooks. Fmd. Some of you guys are so used to mediocrity you enjoy it?


Hahaha, or whinging about Brooks and praising Hastings?
It’s a team game.
It would not surprise me if Brooks got a recall into the Blues train on squad this year.

I mean whinging about Hastings without him having had a chance.
And as much as I would like brooksy to play well enough to be selected, I think the only way he makes the squad is if every other half gets covid at the same time.

 

[tony soprano]


A glimpse at the new halves pairing ???
🤔

People will say he just being fake again.

 

[Demps]

Whinging about Hastings while defending Brooks. Fmd. Some of you guys are so used to mediocrity you enjoy it?


Hahaha, or whinging about Brooks and praising Hastings?
It’s a team game.
It would not surprise me if Brooks got a recall into the Blues train on squad this year.

Love the optimism.

Cleary and Romey got the halves locked up.
If one of them is out, I'd assume Renno or Walkz are next in line.
Some how if they also aren't available.... they seem to like Keary (even tho he's a Queenslander...) and even Mitch Moses who represented Australia in the 9s tournament...

Brooks in the squad is highly unlikely... don't forget the selectors don't like the Tigers for whatever reason.

Stef will make the team eventually tho, you'd expect.

 

[the_third]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2022-jacksons-hastings-wests-tigers-kyle-flanagan-roosters-dropped-axing-trent-robinson/news-story/585f2a201978ce77cc577bd56db0337f

‘Some people are given a small window’: Hastings’ sly dig over his and Flanagan’s Roosters snubs
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Mark St John
Mark St John from Fox Sports
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February 3rd, 2022 8:03 am
Wests Tigers recruit Jackson Hastings believes the Roosters may have cut ties with himself and Kyle Flanagan too soon in their development as he aims for unfinished business in the NRL in 2022.

Hastings played alongside Mitchell Pearce in 34 games for the Roosters from his debut in 2014, before he was let go by the club after two full seasons of first grade at just 20 years of age.

The prodigious talent had two seasons with Manly before moving to the UK Super League where he has blossomed into an excellent playmaker, scoring 28 tries in 86 games over four seasons split between Salford and Wigan.

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Hastings was named the Super League’s Man of Steel as the northern hemisphere competition’s best player just a year after he left the NRL.

Andrew Johns has often said a playmaker does not learn his trade in the NRL until his mid-20s and doesn’t hit his peak until his early 30s.

It begs the question are NRL teams discarding perfectly good playmakers too early in their development in the search for the next star or more pressingly, wins in the cutthroat business of the NRL?

Fast-forward to 2020 and the Roosters again parted ways with a young half in Flanagan at just 22, despite him scoring four tries and 198 points in 20 games for the club that season.

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Both Hastings and Flanagan showed great potential from a young age and while no one can doubt the Roosters’ success as a club, there could be a wider issue in the game surrounding playmakers.

If they do not blossom until their mid to late 20s should they be put in at the coalface at such a young age and then discarded so quickly when they don’t master the position straight away?

Foxsports.com.au put the question to Hastings ahead of his return to the NRL at Concord this season.


Are NRL clubs judging young playmakers too harshly too early in their development?

“It depends who you are I guess,” Hastings told Foxsports.com.au.

“If you ask certain playmakers they will tell you something different to what something like myself or Kyle Flanagan will tell you.

“It just depends where you are and what system you are in and what you are expected to do and how much time you are given.

“Some people are given a lot of opportunities and some people are given a small window to be successful.”

Hastings admits potential is a double-edged sword in that promising players get given an opportunity sometimes at a younger age and dominate right off the bat.

However he believes it is unwise to suggest a young half won’t make it in the NRL just because they are not winning competitions when they are 20.

“At the end of the day we play one of the most crucial positions on the field and it doesn’t matter what age you are, if you are good enough you are old enough,” Hastings said.

“But if you don’t deliver you sort of find yourself out the back door.

“I’m slowly maturing into the player I want to be. I’m 26 now and I still don’t think I’m at the peak of my powers.

“I still think I have a couple of years until I really nail what I want to achieve and do as a half.

“There is still room for growth and hopefully many years to come as a first grade rugby league player in the NRL.”

The knock on Hastings when he left the NRL in 2018 was that he lacked maturity, which is understandable for a 22-year-old kid making his way in the NRL and in life.

However four years wiser, the talented half speaks with a new found confidence and maturity from his experiences abroad in life in general and on the rugby league field.

“First and foremost I’m just really grateful to be back,” Hastings said.

“Being surrounded by family is one of the most important reasons why I wanted to come back to Australia.

“But then I’ve come to a situation where I thought I can play an important role.”

Hastings credits Tigers coach Michael Maguire for his decision to join the club and he sees a lot in the club’s recruitment strategy to suggest the dark days are over.

“I met Madge a few times and he is a top coach,” Hastings said.

“I like being coached by someone who pushes you to your limits.

“That’s on the field and then away from the field he is a real family man and cares about you away from the game. He cares about what you are doing away from rugby league, not just what you are doing on the field Monday to Sunday.

“The attraction was through Madge and where the club has been and where it wants to go.

“Obviously it is a year ahead but the signings the club has made for 2023 shows they are heading in the right direction.

“And the people they have brought in this year like Tyrone Peachey and Oliver Gildart. The club is building in a direction where I want to go and hopefully I can be a small part of that.”

Part of Hastings’ success over the last four years in the Super League he admits is the ability to just play footy away from the glare and scrutiny that comes with the NRL, especially as a young player.

“I was just able to play,” Hastings said of his Man of Steel award-winning year at Salford.

“The shackles came off and I played like how I did when I first made first grade.

“I had glimpses of that when I was here and probably not enough. So to be able to go over there and play first grade and not have the media stress and not have everything that comes with being an NRL player and just be able to go over there and express myself was one of the things that helped.”

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In perhaps a good omen for long-suffering Tigers fans, Hastings’ first club Salford was in a familiar position to the Tigers and they were able to make a grand final.

“I went to a club that was in a similar position to what the Tigers were so I was a bit of a focal point of what we were able to do,” Hastings explained.

“They helped surround me with talented players that had played in the NRL and some of the best English players as well.

“You are only as good as your teammates and without them I wouldn’t have won that award.

“I just went over there and ran the footy and being happy is the main thing that contributed to me having some success.”

That success is something that Hastings is desperate to bring to the Tigers who are currently in the midst of the longest finals drought in the NRL stretching back to 2011.

Hastings’ new halves partner Luke Brooks has long been made the scapegoat for the Tigers’ lean run and the club’s new playmaking option believes it is unfair.

“I feel really sorry for Brooksy,” Hastings said.

“I really admire the way he turns up every day and competes at training. Every day he competes on the weekend even though it doesn’t always go his way.

“It hasn’t gone the Tigers’ way for 10 years and he has been the easy scapegoat.”

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However from what he has seen so far in the pre-season, Tigers fans can be optimistic about Brooks and the team in general in 2022.


“I can only talk about what I have seen from him this pre-season and he has been outstanding,” Hastings said.

“He is probably our best trainer. He has really come alive at training and speaks really well in meetings.

“Our combination is slowly building and it is pretty exciting.

“He sort of plays that on-ball style like a traditional No.7 and I can just roam around the park and play what I see.

“Having a left-footer and right-footer and two people that like to run the footy complements each other and hopefully I can take a bit of that slack and he can play the way he can.

“He is a NSW-type player. When he came through he burst on the scene and he’s won halfback of the year and been player of the year for the Tigers many times.

“I’m just going to do what I can to help him play his best football and I know he will be doing the same and hopefully we can work in tandem to make the Tigers successful again.”

 

[earl]

Whinging about Hastings while defending Brooks. Fmd. Some of you guys are so used to mediocrity you enjoy it🙄

I don't get this. I'm all in on Hastings. I also don't listen to the dribble about Brooks being the sole reason for the Tigers not making the finals or the one guy who has to go if we have a dud season.

I think it's more the posters who qualify so many of their posts with Brooks is the problem. It's dumb.

I can see Brooks being moved on this season and I'm fine with it. I just want to see it happen based on form.

 

[PJ_]

Whinging about Hastings while defending Brooks. Fmd. Some of you guys are so used to mediocrity you enjoy it?

I don't get this. I'm all in on Hastings. I also don't listen to the dribble about Brooks being the sole reason for the Tigers not making the finals or the one guy who has to go if we have a dud season.

I think it's more the posters who qualify so many of their posts with Brooks is the problem. It's dumb.

I can see Brooks being moved on this season and I'm fine with it. I just want to see it happen based on form.

He has been given a long time to make the team his. We can't keep relying on him. Need to wipe our hands of the experiment and move on.
I dont hate Luke, when he stayed with us and the others left I was over the moon. A change to another team might give him the kick he needs.
Even benj said he coasted for a few years.
That's the attitude that needs to be [This word has been automatically removed]ed right off

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This is easily the longest pre-season I can remember. So much talk.

 

[earl]

He has been given a long time to make the team his. We can’t keep relying on him. Need to wipe our hands of the experiment and move on.

It's not just him though. That is the thing. Your comments are also the sunken costs fallacy in reverse. It's too emotional for the Brooks bashers.

Pick the best team.

Back on topic. That Hastings article is great. I can't wait to see him in action.

 

[PJ_]

He has been given a long time to make the team his. We can’t keep relying on him. Need to wipe our hands of the experiment and move on.

It's not just him though. That is the thing. Your comments are also the sunken costs fallacy in reverse. It's too emotional for the Brooks bashers.

Pick the best team.

Back on topic. That Hastings article is great. I can't wait to see him in action.

I'm all for getting rid of the under performers.
Our club has given them a career for far too long.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He has been given a long time to make the team his. We can’t keep relying on him. Need to wipe our hands of the experiment and move on.

It's not just him though. That is the thing. Your comments are also the sunken costs fallacy in reverse. It's too emotional for the Brooks bashers.

Pick the best team.

Back on topic. That Hastings article is great. I can't wait to see him in action.

It’s a shame about these things called contracts. Some seem to think we can rage trade him like it’s SuperCoach. Clearly he and the club are happy, if Newcastle headhunting him before Xmas is anything to go by. His bashers refuse to see the reality of it.

 

[PJ_]

No such thing as a contract if they want out of it.
The mental card works for some...

 

[Devon Head]

Whinging about Hastings while defending Brooks. Fmd. Some of you guys are so used to mediocrity you enjoy it?

I don't get this. I'm all in on Hastings. I also don't listen to the dribble about Brooks being the sole reason for the Tigers not making the finals or the one guy who has to go if we have a dud season.

I think it's more the posters who qualify so many of their posts with Brooks is the problem. It's dumb.

I can see Brooks being moved on this season and I'm fine with it. I just want to see it happen based on form.

He has been given a long time to make the team his. We can't keep relying on him. Need to wipe our hands of the experiment and move on.
I dont hate Luke, when he stayed with us and the others left I was over the moon. A change to another team might give him the kick he needs.
Even benj said he coasted for a few years.
That's the attitude that needs to be [censored]ed right off

Pretty spot on mate, I don't hate Brooks either and I'm sure he offers another team some value and needed experience however I feel moving forward he probably isn't the guy we need him to be.

Who knows with Hastings alongside him things may change however in his time at Tigers and with many different styles of halves partners and coaches, NONE have been able to get him playing as well as the team needs him to. Of course there's other contributing factors however when the curtains finally draw to a close on his career making zero finals will ppl care about those factors? Fans and critics will only care about how many finals appearances or titles he has won. If by that time both columns read zero then it's fair to say his career was a failure.

He said prior to last season it was his team and his time to shine yet we saw the same deer in the headlights from previous seasons. Moments of great bookended by lots of below average. With Hastings beside him hopefully he can just concentrate on the things he does well and not have to worry about being the voice directing the team around. Maybe then he will reach loftier heights.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Whinging about Hastings while defending Brooks. Fmd. Some of you guys are so used to mediocrity you enjoy it?

I don't get this. I'm all in on Hastings. I also don't listen to the dribble about Brooks being the sole reason for the Tigers not making the finals or the one guy who has to go if we have a dud season.

I think it's more the posters who qualify so many of their posts with Brooks is the problem. It's dumb.

I can see Brooks being moved on this season and I'm fine with it. I just want to see it happen based on form.

He has been given a long time to make the team his. We can't keep relying on him. Need to wipe our hands of the experiment and move on.
I dont hate Luke, when he stayed with us and the others left I was over the moon. A change to another team might give him the kick he needs.
Even benj said he coasted for a few years.
That's the attitude that needs to be [censored]ed right off

Pretty spot on mate, I don't hate Brooks either and I'm sure he offers another team some value and needed experience however I feel moving forward he probably isn't the guy we need him to be.

Who knows with Hastings alongside him things may change however in his time at Tigers and with many different styles of halves partners and coaches, NONE have been able to get him playing as well as the team needs him to. Of course there's other contributing factors **however when the curtains finally draw to a close on his career making zero finals will ppl care about those factors? Fans and critics will only care about how many finals appearances or titles he has won.** If by that time both columns read zero then it's fair to say his career was a failure.

He said prior to last season it was his team and his time to shine yet we saw the same deer in the headlights from previous seasons. Moments of great bookended by lots of below average. With Hastings beside him hopefully he can just concentrate on the things he does well and not have to worry about being the voice directing the team around. Maybe then he will reach loftier heights.

Maybe they will look at the club as a whole as the problem as the club has made the finals 3 times in 21 seasons.