James Tedesco Signs with Roosters [Official]

[jirskyr]

I don't think that they want a gaurantee, of a premiership, but he could safely go to any of half a dozen clubs , and have a hell of a lot more chance of finals then than he'd have here

Hahaha sorry I had to laugh. 50% of clubs make the finals every year. So yes actually he can choose any club for next season and _at least_ half a dozen of them will play finals, 8 of them in fact.

Which 8 though? Seriously put your money down right now, right on the counter, and pick your Top 8\. Sportsbet and/or Ladbrokes and/or William Hill and/or TAB and/or bet365 would love to have your money.

I had a laugh too, you are forgetting that he only has to pick one to go to, he's good, but not a magician . Read what I said, i never said anything about 8 teams
Tale the top 6 teams and go to any of them And they are a lot more chance of getting to the finals than we are. Or are we in line for a spectacular revival. Hope so
I repeat that there's no gaurantee, but I'd happily take my chances .

Uh you missed my point, I'll try one more time.

You said he could "safely go to any of half a dozen clubs and have a hell of a lot more chance of finals than he'd have here". Well actually that's just your opinion, it's not a safe bet at all. If it's a safe bet, put your money down, put it ALL down. You wouldn't, because it's not safe, you're just guessing it's more likely.

And no there actually isn't "a hell of a lot more chance" of playing finals anywhere but Tigers. It's just your opinion or prediction. Of all the clubs, arguably Tigers have one of the least predictable futures in the NRL, because the coach and roster are in such flux.

So I mentioned 8 teams because that's how many make the finals every year, obviously. Tedesco could randomly pick any one of the 16 clubs and have a 50% chance of playing finals before making any consideration of the form, roster, coaches etc.

I will happily consider the "top 6 teams" (I assume you mean right now Rd 4 2017) and again it's your opinion that they are more chance of making the finals _next year_ (bearing in mind Tedesco is planning for 2018).

You are exactly right, Tedesco is not a magician, he's just a punter like any of us, especially if he wants to choose clubs based on potential finals appearances. That's why it's BS to me to move to clubs "to play finals footy". How do you know they will be in the finals? Because they used to be?

AND we haven't even addressed an important point yet: where we would assume that the top teams have generally stable, well-paid and well-performing rosters. That's normally what's required for repeat finals football: high-performing and experienced footballers. Those aren't cheap. You could well argue that such "successful" clubs are much less likely to both:
a) need an elite-class fullback; and
b) be able to afford an elite-class fullback under the salary cap.

If you take the Roosters for example, generally accepted as a wealthy, politically powerful and moderately successful club. Between 1996-2004 they made the finals every year, including 4 GF appearances and 1 premiership. Really quite good! Then between 2005-2012 they made the finals twice, one of those being the GF.

If you'd joined Roosters in 2005 you could have been expected to have high hopes for playing finals football, but you would have had to wait until 2008, in other words a standard 3-year deal you would have missed out.

Similarly Roosters were minor premiers 2013-2015 and had one premiership. But then they came 15th last year. How unpredictable! And my point exactly. Even if you'd joined the 3x minor premiers you would have been second-last last year.

 

[Milky]

100% i would be taking the Roosters approach if we lose them.

Grubby agent.

 

[tigerap]

This is what we need:

1) A win this weekend and a really strong performance from the team to get confidence in the camp.
2) Clearly to be announced as our Coach Sunday night
3) Teddy and Woods to be re-signed asap.

 

[greatodensraven]

This is what we need:

1) A win this weekend and a really strong performance from the team to get confidence in the camp.
2) Clearly to be announced as our Coach Sunday night
3) Teddy and Woods to be re-signed asap.

x 10000 :sign:

 

[IronTiger]

Well if he wants to play finals football I would suggest he and his so called "superstar" friends pull their fingers out and start winning games. I know he is a good player, good not yet great, i am yet to see anything that suggests he, Moses or Brooks are actually worth the fuss everyone is making. When you start playing consistently you can have a say, and how about showing some loyalty to the club that has put him on the map. Stop blaming the coach, stop having an opinion on the coach its not your job. Yes the club internally are a basket case but I am sick of these kids who from Jr grade have been told by everyone how fantastic they are and when they get to Grade find the effort a little to much and expect to walk into the team.

Moses has been treated like a hero by his family and the club all his life, this is the reason he behaves like an arrogant child even now. The foul mouth Rodent from Marvel could not have been more approriate. Tedesco I thought was above this but is clearly showing his true colours. The club saw him through 2 long term injuries and we are supposed to be grateful he changed his mind when he changes his mind on going to the Raiders?

Brooks and Woods are the only ones who conduct themselves with any sense of loyalty or pride in the shirt they are wearing.

Leave or stay, but make up your minds. We will still be here and will not think of you again once you do. you are not bigger than the club even if the club does not know it's a**e from its elbow.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I don't think that they want a gaurantee, of a premiership, but he could safely go to any of half a dozen clubs , and have a hell of a lot more chance of finals then than he'd have here

Hahaha sorry I had to laugh. 50% of clubs make the finals every year. So yes actually he can choose any club for next season and _at least_ half a dozen of them will play finals, 8 of them in fact.

Which 8 though? Seriously put your money down right now, right on the counter, and pick your Top 8\. Sportsbet and/or Ladbrokes and/or William Hill and/or TAB and/or bet365 would love to have your money.

I had a laugh too, you are forgetting that he only has to pick one to go to, he's good, but not a magician . Read what I said, i never said anything about 8 teams
Tale the top 6 teams and go to any of them And they are a lot more chance of getting to the finals than we are. Or are we in line for a spectacular revival. Hope so
I repeat that there's no gaurantee, but I'd happily take my chances .

Uh you missed my point, I'll try one more time.

You said he could "safely go to any of half a dozen clubs and have a hell of a lot more chance of finals than he'd have here". Well actually that's just your opinion, it's not a safe bet at all. If it's a safe bet, put your money down, put it ALL down. You wouldn't, because it's not safe, you're just guessing it's more likely.

And no there actually isn't "a hell of a lot more chance" of playing finals anywhere but Tigers. It's just your opinion or prediction. Of all the clubs, arguably Tigers have one of the least predictable futures in the NRL, because the coach and roster are in such flux.

So I mentioned 8 teams because that's how many make the finals every year, obviously. Tedesco could randomly pick any one of the 16 clubs and have a 50% chance of playing finals before making any consideration of the form, roster, coaches etc.

I will happily consider the "top 6 teams" (I assume you mean right now Rd 4 2017) and again it's your opinion that they are more chance of making the finals _next year_ (bearing in mind Tedesco is planning for 2018).

You are exactly right, Tedesco is not a magician, he's just a punter like any of us, especially if he wants to choose clubs based on potential finals appearances. That's why it's BS to me to move to clubs "to play finals footy". How do you know they will be in the finals? Because they used to be?

AND we haven't even addressed an important point yet: where we would assume that the top teams have generally stable, well-paid and well-performing rosters. That's normally what's required for repeat finals football: high-performing and experienced footballers. Those aren't cheap. You could well argue that such "successful" clubs are much less likely to both:
a) need an elite-class fullback; and
b) be able to afford an elite-class fullback under the salary cap.

If you take the Roosters for example, generally accepted as a wealthy, politically powerful and moderately successful club. Between 1996-2004 they made the finals every year, including 4 GF appearances and 1 premiership. Really quite good! Then between 2005-2012 they made the finals twice, one of those being the GF.

If you'd joined Roosters in 2005 you could have been expected to have high hopes for playing finals football, but you would have had to wait until 2008, in other words a standard 3-year deal you would have missed out.

Similarly Roosters were minor premiers 2013-2015 and had one premiership. But then they came 15th last year. How unpredictable! And my point exactly. Even if you'd joined the 3x minor premiers you would have been second-last last year.

I don't think that he will have much trouble in finding a team that is more likely to play finals next year, and yes that is an opinion and I'm happy to go with it
I hope he stays , but will be still enjoy watching him if he doesn't,

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Well if he wants to play finals football I would suggest he and his so called "superstar" friends pull their fingers out and start winning games. I know he is a good player, good not yet great, i am yet to see anything that suggests he, Moses or Brooks are actually worth the fuss everyone is making. When you start playing consistently you can have a say, and how about showing some loyalty to the club that has put him on the map. Stop blaming the coach, stop having an opinion on the coach its not your job. Yes the club internally are a basket case but I am sick of these kids who from Jr grade have been told by everyone how fantastic they are and when they get to Grade find the effort a little to much and expect to walk into the team.

Moses has been treated like a hero by his family and the club all his life, this is the reason he behaves like an arrogant child even now. The foul mouth Rodent from Marvel could not have been more approriate. Tedesco I thought was above this but is clearly showing his true colours. The club saw him through 2 long term injuries and we are supposed to be grateful he changed his mind when he changes his mind on going to the Raiders?

Brooks and Woods are the only ones who conduct themselves with any sense of loyalty or pride in the shirt they are wearing.

Leave or stay, but make up your minds. We will still be here and will not think of you again once you do. you are not bigger than the club even if the club does not know it's a**e from its elbow.

Yeah, and this club Is the epitome of we'll run outfits and one that deserves loyalty. :roll

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Well if he wants to play finals football I would suggest he and his so called "superstar" friends pull their fingers out and start winning games. I know he is a good player, good not yet great, i am yet to see anything that suggests he, Moses or Brooks are actually worth the fuss everyone is making. When you start playing consistently you can have a say, and how about showing some loyalty to the club that has put him on the map. Stop blaming the coach, stop having an opinion on the coach its not your job. Yes the club internally are a basket case but I am sick of these kids who from Jr grade have been told by everyone how fantastic they are and when they get to Grade find the effort a little to much and expect to walk into the team.

Moses has been treated like a hero by his family and the club all his life, this is the reason he behaves like an arrogant child even now. The foul mouth Rodent from Marvel could not have been more approriate. Tedesco I thought was above this but is clearly showing his true colours. The club saw him through 2 long term injuries and we are supposed to be grateful he changed his mind when he changes his mind on going to the Raiders?

**Brooks and Woods are the only ones who conduct themselves with any sense of loyalty or pride in the shirt they are wearing.**
Leave or stay, but make up your minds. We will still be here and will not think of you again once you do. you are not bigger than the club even if the club does not know it's a**e from its elbow.

Brooks comes across as a likeable and respectful young man. If it is true he wanted to sign on with the club much earlier, I think this is an indication of his good character. He has played well in three of the four games this year and let's hope under Cleary's coaching he continues to improve.

 

[yeti]

I would find it surprising if any of the players had already signed elsewhere. Stupid even. Regardless of where they will be playing in 2018, they will be well compensated for their services. So why would they sign elsewhere without first knowing who the new WT coach will be and who is on the radar as far as recruitment goes? It makes no sense.
We have all seen how one or two astute buys by a club can turn the fortunes of that club around. (Look at St.George. A huge signing in Boyd and their forwards are very competitive against any opposition).
So for me, the rumour and innuendo is just that.
I wouldn't expect any news until after the coaching position is officially announced along with the McQueen signing.

But then again, crazier things have happened in the past. :wink:

 

[jirskyr]

Well if he wants to play finals football I would suggest he and his so called "superstar" friends pull their fingers out and start winning games. I know he is a good player, good not yet great, i am yet to see anything that suggests he, Moses or Brooks are actually worth the fuss everyone is making. When you start playing consistently you can have a say, and how about showing some loyalty to the club that has put him on the map. Stop blaming the coach, stop having an opinion on the coach its not your job. Yes the club internally are a basket case but I am sick of these kids who from Jr grade have been told by everyone how fantastic they are and when they get to Grade find the effort a little to much and expect to walk into the team.

Moses has been treated like a hero by his family and the club all his life, this is the reason he behaves like an arrogant child even now. The foul mouth Rodent from Marvel could not have been more approriate. Tedesco I thought was above this but is clearly showing his true colours. The club saw him through 2 long term injuries and we are supposed to be grateful he changed his mind when he changes his mind on going to the Raiders?

Brooks and Woods are the only ones who conduct themselves with any sense of loyalty or pride in the shirt they are wearing.

Leave or stay, but make up your minds. We will still be here and will not think of you again once you do. you are not bigger than the club even if the club does not know it's a**e from its elbow.

Yeah, and this club Is the epitome of we'll run outfits and one that deserves loyalty. :roll

I don't think being well run or not has much to do with loyalty. If your granny raises you from a young age but she becomes a bit demented, you toss her to the side? Extreme example but the point stands.

Loyalty is a two-way street, totally, and some players don't get it from the club, some clubs don't get it from the players.

Myself I follow the club, not the players, and if they leave the club then my opinions change. If they disrespect or dismiss the club, my opinions change. I don't care if the club is not run perfectly, it's my club, they put on the jersey of my club and I have a certain level of expectation.

So I agree with SnS to some extent, if you start using admin issues or lack of faith in management as an excuse to leave a club, you can get stuffed. All you need to do is play football on the field, I know it's a tight competition and small differentiators can make some clubs much more successful than others, but ultimately your job is to catch footballs, tackle hard for 80 mins and score tries. If you can't do that, then what good are you? It's still grass and men out there, the admin watches from the sidelines, and the best players overcome the difficulties to become great.

I mean look at Johnathan Thurston, the bloke was overlooked by the Dogs and joined a rabble of a Townsville club that had made the finals once in 10 years (coming 7th). In his first 6 years at the club they made the finals twice, or 3 times in their first 16 seasons. But he stuck with them, they gradually turned things around, the team developed, Thurston's game continued to develop, he became the focal point of club recruitment, they struggled for some time to find him an adequate halves partner, and now on the back of all that they've made the finals 6 straight years. He is a champion of the game.

 

[happy_tiger]

Well if he wants to play finals football I would suggest he and his so called "superstar" friends pull their fingers out and start winning games. I know he is a good player, good not yet great, i am yet to see anything that suggests he, Moses or Brooks are actually worth the fuss everyone is making. When you start playing consistently you can have a say, and how about showing some loyalty to the club that has put him on the map. Stop blaming the coach, stop having an opinion on the coach its not your job. Yes the club internally are a basket case but I am sick of these kids who from Jr grade have been told by everyone how fantastic they are and when they get to Grade find the effort a little to much and expect to walk into the team.

Moses has been treated like a hero by his family and the club all his life, this is the reason he behaves like an arrogant child even now. The foul mouth Rodent from Marvel could not have been more approriate. Tedesco I thought was above this but is clearly showing his true colours. The club saw him through 2 long term injuries and we are supposed to be grateful he changed his mind when he changes his mind on going to the Raiders?

Brooks and Woods are the only ones who conduct themselves with any sense of loyalty or pride in the shirt they are wearing.

Leave or stay, but make up your minds. We will still be here and will not think of you again once you do. you are not bigger than the club even if the club does not know it's a**e from its elbow.

Yeah, and this club Is the epitome of we'll run outfits and one that deserves loyalty. :roll

I don't think being well run or not has much to do with loyalty. If your granny raises you from a young age but she becomes a bit demented, you toss her to the side? Extreme example but the point stands.

Loyalty is a two-way street, totally, and some players don't get it from the club, some clubs don't get it from the players.

Myself I follow the club, not the players, and if they leave the club then my opinions change. If they disrespect or dismiss the club, my opinions change. I don't care if the club is not run perfectly, it's my club, they put on the jersey of my club and I have a certain level of expectation.

So I agree with SnS to some extent, if you start using admin issues or lack of faith in management as an excuse to leave a club, you can get stuffed. All you need to do is play football on the field, I know it's a tight competition and small differentiators can make some clubs much more successful than others, but ultimately your job is to catch footballs, tackle hard for 80 mins and score tries. If you can't do that, then what good are you? It's still grass and men out there, the admin watches from the sidelines, and the best players overcome the difficulties to become great.

I mean look at Johnathan Thurston, the bloke was overlooked by the Dogs and joined a rabble of a Townsville club that had made the finals once in 10 years (coming 7th). In his first 6 years at the club they made the finals twice, or 3 times in their first 16 seasons. But he stuck with them, they gradually turned things around, the team developed, Thurston's game continued to develop, he became the focal point of club recruitment, they struggled for some time to find him an adequate halves partner, and now on the back of all that they've made the finals 6 straight years. He is a champion of the game.

I think there are a few differences

Thurston got a taste early making a GF

Thurston was always going to be captain of the Cowboys and a long term one

I can't see Tedesco ever being captain , just my opinion

 

[jirskyr]

I think there are a few differences

Thurston got a taste early making a GF

Thurston was always going to be captain of the Cowboys and a long term one

I can't see Tedesco ever being captain , just my opinion

Scott Prince made a GF, he still left. And then my argument always becomes - did Cowboys make the GF despite Thurston being there, or because Thurston was there? At some point the reason you don't make the finals isn't just everyone else, it's you as well.

In regards to being a captain, there are plenty of non-captains who remain long-term loyal to clubs. I am sure Thurston was always thought of as captain material, rather than it being a condition of his contract.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think there are a few differences

Thurston got a taste early making a GF

Thurston was always going to be captain of the Cowboys and a long term one

I can't see Tedesco ever being captain , just my opinion

Scott Prince made a GF, he still left. And then my argument always becomes - did Cowboys make the GF despite Thurston being there, or because Thurston was there? At some point the reason you don't make the finals isn't just everyone else, it's you as well.

In regards to being a captain, there are plenty of non-captains who remain long-term loyal to clubs. I am sure Thurston was always thought of as captain material, rather than it being a condition of his contract.

Looking back now , no chance Prince was going to stay here

The Muster / Round Up were talking to John Asiata yesterday and they commented he could command more game time and better money elsewhere

He commented he was settled , house , wife etc

Players focuses change as their life changes , they find a girl , have kids , buy a house whatever it is but you want stability and happiness

WT's are going about this all wrong , they need to find Teddy / Moses a girl that is a keeper :wink:

I don't think Woods will leave , he won't get it any better anywhere else than he has it at the WT's

No chance he would be a captain at any other club

 

[jirskyr]

I think there are a few differences

Thurston got a taste early making a GF

Thurston was always going to be captain of the Cowboys and a long term one

I can't see Tedesco ever being captain , just my opinion

Scott Prince made a GF, he still left. And then my argument always becomes - did Cowboys make the GF despite Thurston being there, or because Thurston was there? At some point the reason you don't make the finals isn't just everyone else, it's you as well.

In regards to being a captain, there are plenty of non-captains who remain long-term loyal to clubs. I am sure Thurston was always thought of as captain material, rather than it being a condition of his contract.

Looking back now , no chance Prince was going to stay here

The Muster / Round Up were talking to John Asiata yesterday and they commented he could command more game time and better money elsewhere

He commented he was settled , house , wife etc

Players focuses change as their life changes , they find a girl , have kids , buy a house whatever it is but you want stability and happiness

WT's are going about this all wrong , they need to find Teddy / Moses a girl that is a keeper :wink:

I don't think Woods will leave , he won't get it any better anywhere else than he has it at the WT's

No chance he would be a captain at any other club

Mate that's hunkey-dorey when you own a house in Townsville, but what about when you've bought one in Earlwood and you are 10 minutes from 4 different club catchments?

 

[happy_tiger]

I think there are a few differences

Thurston got a taste early making a GF

Thurston was always going to be captain of the Cowboys and a long term one

I can't see Tedesco ever being captain , just my opinion

Scott Prince made a GF, he still left. And then my argument always becomes - did Cowboys make the GF despite Thurston being there, or because Thurston was there? At some point the reason you don't make the finals isn't just everyone else, it's you as well.

In regards to being a captain, there are plenty of non-captains who remain long-term loyal to clubs. I am sure Thurston was always thought of as captain material, rather than it being a condition of his contract.

Looking back now , no chance Prince was going to stay here

The Muster / Round Up were talking to John Asiata yesterday and they commented he could command more game time and better money elsewhere

He commented he was settled , house , wife etc

Players focuses change as their life changes , they find a girl , have kids , buy a house whatever it is but you want stability and happiness

WT's are going about this all wrong , they need to find Teddy / Moses a girl that is a keeper :wink:

I don't think Woods will leave , he won't get it any better anywhere else than he has it at the WT's

No chance he would be a captain at any other club

Mate that's hunkey-dorey when you own a house in Townsville, but what about when you've bought one in Earlwood and you are 10 minutes from 4 different club catchments?

You choose what club is best for your career

And seeing we are probably only a better option than 2 other clubs atm , you leave

Just remember the hardest thing for Teddy to do was to change his mind and not take the Raiders offer

He had no idea that he would get 2 TPA's to match the Raiders

Wests Tigers fans absolutely loathed him and were attacking him from left ,right and centre

The club is in a slightly better position than it was back then

I'd be amazed if he leaves , but then again I said that at 1 am the morning he decided to come a Raider because that was exactly the opposite I was told then

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Well if he wants to play finals football I would suggest he and his so called "superstar" friends pull their fingers out and start winning games. I know he is a good player, good not yet great, i am yet to see anything that suggests he, Moses or Brooks are actually worth the fuss everyone is making. When you start playing consistently you can have a say, and how about showing some loyalty to the club that has put him on the map. Stop blaming the coach, stop having an opinion on the coach its not your job. Yes the club internally are a basket case but I am sick of these kids who from Jr grade have been told by everyone how fantastic they are and when they get to Grade find the effort a little to much and expect to walk into the team.

Moses has been treated like a hero by his family and the club all his life, this is the reason he behaves like an arrogant child even now. The foul mouth Rodent from Marvel could not have been more approriate. Tedesco I thought was above this but is clearly showing his true colours. The club saw him through 2 long term injuries and we are supposed to be grateful he changed his mind when he changes his mind on going to the Raiders?

Brooks and Woods are the only ones who conduct themselves with any sense of loyalty or pride in the shirt they are wearing.

Leave or stay, but make up your minds. We will still be here and will not think of you again once you do. you are not bigger than the club even if the club does not know it's a**e from its elbow.

Yeah, and this club Is the epitome of we'll run outfits and one that deserves loyalty. :roll

I don't think being well run or not has much to do with loyalty. If your granny raises you from a young age but she becomes a bit demented, you toss her to the side? Extreme example but the point stands.

Loyalty is a two-way street, totally, and some players don't get it from the club, some clubs don't get it from the players.

Myself I follow the club, not the players, and if they leave the club then my opinions change. If they disrespect or dismiss the club, my opinions change. I don't care if the club is not run perfectly, it's my club, they put on the jersey of my club and I have a certain level of expectation.

So I agree with SnS to some extent, if you start using admin issues or lack of faith in management as an excuse to leave a club, you can get stuffed. All you need to do is play football on the field, I know it's a tight competition and small differentiators can make some clubs much more successful than others, but ultimately your job is to catch footballs, tackle hard for 80 mins and score tries. If you can't do that, then what good are you? It's still grass and men out there, the admin watches from the sidelines, and the best players overcome the difficulties to become great.

I mean look at Johnathan Thurston, the bloke was overlooked by the Dogs and joined a rabble of a Townsville club that had made the finals once in 10 years (coming 7th). In his first 6 years at the club they made the finals twice, or 3 times in their first 16 seasons. But he stuck with them, they gradually turned things around, the team developed, Thurston's game continued to develop, he became the focal point of club recruitment, they struggled for some time to find him an adequate halves partner, and now on the back of all that they've made the finals 6 straight years. He is a champion of the game.

I'm still happy with my opinion on Tedesco's ideas of what he wants from the Game.
Woods has been the most vocal about not signing no matter what pressure is applied by deadlines etc.
And you say he's more loyal than Teddy. :smiley:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I think there are a few differences

Thurston got a taste early making a GF

Thurston was always going to be captain of the Cowboys and a long term one

I can't see Tedesco ever being captain , just my opinion

Scott Prince made a GF, he still left. And then my argument always becomes - did Cowboys make the GF despite Thurston being there, or because Thurston was there? At some point the reason you don't make the finals isn't just everyone else, it's you as well.

In regards to being a captain, there are plenty of non-captains who remain long-term loyal to clubs. I am sure Thurston was always thought of as captain material, rather than it being a condition of his contract.

Is there anyone that has left the club, that you DO still like ? Or do you hate em all :unamused:

 

[jirskyr]

I think there are a few differences

Thurston got a taste early making a GF

Thurston was always going to be captain of the Cowboys and a long term one

I can't see Tedesco ever being captain , just my opinion

Scott Prince made a GF, he still left. And then my argument always becomes - did Cowboys make the GF despite Thurston being there, or because Thurston was there? At some point the reason you don't make the finals isn't just everyone else, it's you as well.

In regards to being a captain, there are plenty of non-captains who remain long-term loyal to clubs. I am sure Thurston was always thought of as captain material, rather than it being a condition of his contract.

Is there anyone that has left the club, that you DO still like ? Or do you hate em all :unamused:

The minute they step out the door I like them less than I used to, that's natural. Some leave for very appropriate reasons, some do not.

A bloke like Blake Austin, we released him because he could get a start elswhere. No qualms about that but I don't like him as much as I used to.

A bloke like Farah, wasn't treated well but didn't handle it well, I'm indifferent to him.

A bloke like Tim Brasher, he's a legend of Balmain but I don't ultimately hold him in quite the same regard as say Wayne Pearce.

And to your other post, I never said Woods was more loyal than Teddy. If they stay, I don't care what went on in the background. If they leave, I take their reasons into consideration before I decide how I feel about it.

But every club is trying their best to defeat the Tigers, none of the 15 want us to succeed long-term because it means they cannot. They are all happy enough for us to participate each week and lose.
Therefore ultimately every club is our enemy, or at best our temporary ally for some competition-wide issue.

The players who leave Tigers are an extension of that rivalry.

It's the same reason why I no longer follow Rugby or never followed AFL, not just because they are inferior games, but it's a competitive market and I don't want to give any sport an advantage over rugby league. My dollar goes to one sport only, the one I care about many hundred times more than any other.

 

[Geo]

Loyalty is for fans..well 99.9%.. then there are those who jump on Souff's or the Storm when things get to tough for them ..

Club and player loyalty is pretty much dead…

I see Tedesco's point.. you want success... making finals and ultimately a Premiership...I would like to think he believes that can be done at Wests Tigers...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You're right when you say there seems to be no accountability from the individual Jirksyr. Not sure if Tedesco realises, but what he does is going to have a big impact on the club moving forward. The club does need to improve other parts of the roster, but he has to stand up as well. I laughed when there was talk they were going to wait and see how the club starts the year. So they were judging the club based on their own performance? No accountability. If he really wants us to be a finals team for him to stay, maybe he can take that pay cut he's been talking up for ages, so the club can strengthen other areas to give themselves the best possible chance.