Kyle Lovett gone?

[Sabre]

Lovett did what was expected of him , you could never accuse him of not giving 110% every week

Club obviously thinks it has enough cover in the back row , I'm not so sure

Any chance we might be releasing him for another signing (he asks hopefully )???

Thing is effort is only part of the equation.
Talent and ability make up the rest. And of that Lovett was extremely limited.

Let's be brutally honest, Lovett probably doesnt deserve to make a far above average living by playing Rugby League, he simply isn't anywhere near good enough. Problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it.

In fact, in most situations like this the contract is still included in the cap. So im bot sure about the legalities of all this.

Sabre I think your spot on that Lovett doesn't deserve to make a far above average living from playing League, but hardly his fault as he is just one of many that should thank his stars for seeing 1st Grade.

You say " problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it " what about Farah? :mrgreen:

One thing I will give him if this is true? Is that his moved on without any Circus like performance and wish him well in his future endeavours.
I will remember him as a trier who had a go but simply this is way out of his League.

Oh I don't begrudge him for that at all, it's more the fault of WT than Lovett. But when hes on 200k a year and the average Aussie is on much less than half that it's hard to be too sympathetic.

Haha, I'm sure Farah had every right to stay if he chose to but he would have been playing NSW Cup.

 

[Newtown]

How on earth are we over the cap?

Cos we're paying $750,000 dollars for Robbie to play for Souths.

How can this club stop shooting itself in the foot?

 

[happy_tiger]

How can you extend Taylor and sign Idris if you are over the salary cap?

We haven't cemented our top 25 as yet so anything is still possible , they were probably working off him being part of the top 25

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Lovett did what was expected of him , you could never accuse him of not giving 110% every week

Club obviously thinks it has enough cover in the back row , I'm not so sure

Any chance we might be releasing him for another signing (he asks hopefully )???

Thing is effort is only part of the equation.
Talent and ability make up the rest. And of that Lovett was extremely limited.

Let's be brutally honest, Lovett probably doesnt deserve to make a far above average living by playing Rugby League, he simply isn't anywhere near good enough. Problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it.

In fact, in most situations like this the contract is still included in the cap. So im bot sure about the legalities of all this.

Sabre I think your spot on that Lovett doesn't deserve to make a far above average living from playing League, but hardly his fault as he is just one of many that should thank his stars for seeing 1st Grade.

You say " problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it " what about Farah? :mrgreen:

One thing I will give him if this is true? Is that his moved on without any Circus like performance and wish him well in his future endeavours.
I will remember him as a trier who had a go but simply this is way out of his League.

He has no leverage to fight it even if he wanted too, all he can do is take the money and go.
I still can't see where it will change our cap unless he's picked up somewhere.But we'll still have to pay some of his new contract.probably.
A weird decision!!!!!!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Lovett did what was expected of him , you could never accuse him of not giving 110% every week

Club obviously thinks it has enough cover in the back row , I'm not so sure

Any chance we might be releasing him for another signing (he asks hopefully )???

Thing is effort is only part of the equation.
Talent and ability make up the rest. And of that Lovett was extremely limited.

Let's be brutally honest, Lovett probably doesnt deserve to make a far above average living by playing Rugby League, he simply isn't anywhere near good enough. Problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it.

In fact, in most situations like this the contract is still included in the cap. So im bot sure about the legalities of all this.

Sabre I think your spot on that Lovett doesn't deserve to make a far above average living from playing League, but hardly his fault as he is just one of many that should thank his stars for seeing 1st Grade.

You say " problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it " what about Farah? :mrgreen:

One thing I will give him if this is true? Is that his moved on without any Circus like performance and wish him well in his future endeavours.
I will remember him as a trier who had a go but simply this is way out of his League.

Oh I don't begrudge him for that at all, it's more the fault of WT than Lovett. But when hes on 200k a year and the average Aussie is on much less than half that it's hard to be too sympathetic.

Haha, I'm sure Farah had every right to stay if he chose to but he would have been playing NSW Cup.

But then.. they would've had to pay most or all of his contract…...hang on.....oh yeah , I almost forgot.

 

[happy_tiger]

How on earth are we over the cap?

Cos we're paying $750,000 dollars for Robbie to play for Souths.

How can this club stop shooting itself in the foot?

Stop aiming there I guess :slight_smile:

 

[Harvey]

Lovett gives 110% and surely could not be on much coin. Our back up backrowers are now blokes that have never played 1st grade in their life (Masters), and those that have been moved on by half a dzen clubs (eisenhuth). If we are over the cap with the roster we have at the moment, then I shoukld move into the luggage business, as Tedesco, Woods, Moses and Brooks will need some when they pack their bags and move on.
I thought our front office had improved with the likes of Pascoe etc, but given that there have been close to a dozen players signed or re-signed, maqybe someone should have been keeping an eye on the cap.
How did ET's & Idris's contracts get registered by the NRL if we were over the cap? Does Pascoe have any more Penrith mates he wants to bring in? There may be a new opportunity for him given that the Adelaide Reds fans seem to have woken up to what a clown Mayer is.

 

[Nelson]

Lovett gives 110% and surely could not be on much coin. Our back up backrowers are now blokes that have never played 1st grade in their life (Masters), and those that have been moved on by half a dzen clubs (eisenhuth). If we are over the cap with the roster we have at the moment, then I shoukld move into the luggage business, as Tedesco, Woods, Moses and Brooks will need some when they pack their bags and move on.
I thought our front office had improved with the likes of Pascoe etc, but given that there have been close to a dozen players signed or re-signed, maqybe someone should have been keeping an eye on the cap.
How did ET's & Idris's contracts get registered by the NRL if we were over the cap? Does Pascoe have any more Penrith mates he wants to bring in? There may be a new opportunity for him given that the Adelaide Reds fans seem to have woken up to what a clown Mayer is.

At this stage it's a single news report suggesting that we're over the cap, the source of which is unknown. It's probably a little premature to start bashing the club.

I'll just leave this little extract from an SMH article here to see if I can catch any bait:

_"At the heart of this story is a campaign by a player manager who vowed to cause detriment to this club if we didn't sack our coach."\
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It is understood the player manager referred to is Sam Ayoub, who has on his book Farah, who was in the corner of the NSW State of Origin and is now South Sydney hooker after the Tigers sought to move him on.\
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Ayoub declined to comment when contacted on Sunday but he continues to have players on the books at the Tigers, including **Kyle Lovett**, David Nofoaluma, Justin Hunt and former Origin centre Jamal Idris, who he signed to a one-year deal with the team last month."_

 

[Harvey]

Telling him to leave does not solve jack. If we are 200k over the cap, and he is on 200k+ then unless another club signs him for 200k + his contract beyond that, then we are still over the cap.
You can't just tell a contracted player to leave and either not pay him, or not have what you pay him count towards the cap. If that was the case Robbie would have spent last year watching the EPL & we would have had 900k under the cap.

 

[happy_tiger]

Lovett did what was expected of him , you could never accuse him of not giving 110% every week

Club obviously thinks it has enough cover in the back row , I'm not so sure

Any chance we might be releasing him for another signing (he asks hopefully )???

Thing is effort is only part of the equation.
Talent and ability make up the rest. And of that Lovett was extremely limited.

Let's be brutally honest, Lovett probably doesnt deserve to make a far above average living by playing Rugby League, he simply isn't anywhere near good enough. Problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it.

In fact, in most situations like this the contract is still included in the cap. So im bot sure about the legalities of all this.

Sabre I think your spot on that Lovett doesn't deserve to make a far above average living from playing League, but hardly his fault as he is just one of many that should thank his stars for seeing 1st Grade.

You say " problem is the Tigers offered him a contract and should therefore be bound to it " what about Farah? :mrgreen:

One thing I will give him if this is true? Is that his moved on without any Circus like performance and wish him well in his future endeavours.
I will remember him as a trier who had a go but simply this is way out of his League.

Lovett was no superstar , but if he could of improved the same amount from as much he did 2015 to 2016 in 2017 he could of been a useful utility in 2017 if we did require back up

 

[Tiger4life]

They would have told him he won't be playing first grade this year and won't be re-signed so best to look elsewhere or take up a contract in England if he can get one. Plenty of players get told they are no longer required while still under contract. While some move on and get picked up , others will stay if they can't get something elsewhere. Interesting if there is any truth to this how it unfolds.

 

[Geo]

Releasing Lovett to another Club for Cap issues makes no sense as others have pointed out…yet so many have run with an un substantiated report by a News network..

Releasing Lovett as he has fallen down the pecking order even for a bench spot given the coin he is supposedly on makes much more sense and given the talent we have coming through with much more upside..

 

[Tiger4life]

You could potentially release Lovett to another club and save money on your cap. If he is on $150 - $200k then a club might see him as someone with NRL experience who isn't going to break the bank. It's your higher profile players that are on big bucks where you don't really sAve as you end up subsidising a big chunk of their contracts while they play for someone else.

 

[Harvey]

Releasing Lovett to another Club for Cap issues makes no sense as others have pointed out…yet so many have run with an un substantiated report by a News network..

Releasing Lovett as he has fallen down the pecking order even for a bench spot given the coin he is supposedly on makes much more sense and given the talent we have coming through with much more upside..

Which backrow talent is that? Have heard Masters talked up, but outside that the talent consists of Joel Edwards, Aloiai, Chee-Kam, Eisenthuth, Sironen MkIII and other superstars.
Our cap must be a mess, because honestly our roster is

 

[Geo]

Releasing Lovett to another Club for Cap issues makes no sense as others have pointed out…yet so many have run with an un substantiated report by a News network..

Releasing Lovett as he has fallen down the pecking order even for a bench spot given the coin he is supposedly on makes much more sense and given the talent we have coming through with much more upside..

Which backrow talent is that? Have heard Masters talked up, but outside that the talent consists of Joel Edwards, Aloiai, Chee-Kam, Eisenthuth, Sironen MkIII and other superstars.
Our cap must be a mess, because honestly our roster is

Look…the backrow is our weakest position on paper no doubt and I like Lovett always have... but I would hazard a guess that all of those blokes could be as effective as him and the role he plays for less coin..

If JJ Felise kicks on like I hope he will in the Prop rotation ..which could see Sue shifting to an edge reliving some pressure on that position..

11\. Sue
12\. Lawrence/Aloiai
13\. Taylor

Looks solid to me..

 

[Regan]

IDRIS has trained the house down the Tigers think he will play full year just cleaning money so he can Idris has gone better then what they estimated

 

[tigerap]

This story with its sensationalist headline " told to leave immediately " sounds like it has Ayoub's grubby finger prints all over it…

 

[jirskyr]

Imagine the champagne flowing if this had occurred 12 or 24 months ago. Good on the bloke for changing around at least half the opinions.

But if he goes, no biggy of course.

 

[pHyR3]

Lovett did what was expected of him , you could never accuse him of not giving 110% every week

Club obviously thinks it has enough cover in the back row , I'm not so sure

Any chance we might be releasing him for another signing (he asks hopefully )???

I'd personally be looking to offload Rankin or Kev before Lovett.

We have depth in the forwards and not in the backs. If you assume we start with:

8\. Woods
10\. Sue
11\. Aloiai
12\. Lawrence
13\. ET

14\. Ava
15\. Grant

…the last bench spot is then between JJ Felise (talent), MCK (ability to play in the centres), Edwards (defensive impact), Marsters (talent and attacking flair) and Paseka (raw impact), all of whom arguably offer more than Lovett in a bench role playing limited minutes.

and if we have an injury or two?

😛ray:

 

[colmcd]

This story with its sensationalist headline " told to leave immediately " sounds like it has Ayoub's grubby finger prints all over it…

I was like, NOooo don't loose a good backrower. Also he seemed decent and backrowers tend to get consumed fairly easily.

Then I learn Ayoub is involved.
Get rid of him. Seriously why do we even put up with Ayoub managing anyone at all.