Kyle Lovett gone?

[bp_tiger]

I think the question that the club has to ask themselves if they sack him as well is 'is this going to effect our signings'

If we go into the room and talk loyality after sacking a bloke on his first indiscretion, we won't have a leg to stand on. I don't know how close he is to the big 4 guys, but either way, I think this is best deal with via the middle of the road and quietly.

Take half his pay check, get him to ride the pine for the first half of the season to send a message, but support the bloke.

It will be win-win. We get some cap space, send an appropriate message but also don't derail our season or future signings.

Also, with problems in player welfare in the past, we really need to make sure this is dealt with some sensibility.

Yeah ageed, and especially the ultimate paragraph in particular.

what a load of crap, the bloke like barba done drugs, he is not 15 years old he knows right from wrong. its about time everyone was made responsible for there own actions, time to stop the feather duster approach and get serious.

 

[hammertime]

I think the question that the club has to ask themselves if they sack him as well is 'is this going to effect our signings'

If we go into the room and talk loyality after sacking a bloke on his first indiscretion, we won't have a leg to stand on. I don't know how close he is to the big 4 guys, but either way, I think this is best deal with via the middle of the road and quietly.

Take half his pay check, get him to ride the pine for the first half of the season to send a message, but support the bloke.

It will be win-win. We get some cap space, send an appropriate message but also don't derail our season or future signings.

Also, with problems in player welfare in the past, we really need to make sure this is dealt with some sensibility.

Yeah ageed, and especially the ultimate paragraph in particular.

what a load of crap, the bloke like barba done drugs, he is not 15 years old he knows right from wrong. its about time everyone was made responsible for there own actions, time to stop the feather duster approach and get serious.

You've never made a mistake bp? How about when you think about it, imagine that one mistake taking away a career you've put years of your life into building.

There are a few more facts to just taking the drugs. It was off-season, it was a small amount, he was cooperative with the police and remorseful before the courts…and his first strike.

 

[Guest]

I think the question that the club has to ask themselves if they sack him as well is 'is this going to effect our signings'

If we go into the room and talk loyality after sacking a bloke on his first indiscretion, we won't have a leg to stand on. I don't know how close he is to the big 4 guys, but either way, I think this is best deal with via the middle of the road and quietly.

Take half his pay check, get him to ride the pine for the first half of the season to send a message, but support the bloke.

It will be win-win. We get some cap space, send an appropriate message but also don't derail our season or future signings.

Also, with problems in player welfare in the past, we really need to make sure this is dealt with some sensibility.

Yeah ageed, and especially the ultimate paragraph in particular.

what a load of crap, the bloke like barba done drugs, he is not 15 years old he knows right from wrong. its about time everyone was made responsible for there own actions, time to stop the feather duster approach and get serious.

You've never made a mistake bp? How about when you think about it, imagine that one mistake taking away a career you've put years of your life into building.

There are a few more facts to just taking the drugs. It was off-season, it was a small amount, he was cooperative with the police and remorseful before the courts…and his first strike.

And we live in a rather lenient society…

 

[GNR4LIFE]

And he kept it hidden from the club.

 

[TCL]

And he kept it hidden from the club.

He may not of told the club, but i have my doubts and suspect that the club knew.

 

[gallagher]

Fining Lovett will have Zero impact on the cap as his salary is still included..

Sacking him then re-signing to a lower contract may..I don't know how that would fly with the NRL as we are not Cronulla…

The NRL never signed off on this idea with Cronulla, so tough to gauge if it would/should be allowed.

You can bet London to a brick that if we did it, it'd get knocked on the head.

All this talk of suspension, was he convicted of being under the influence or returning a positive test? That was the reason why Barba got punted for 12 weeks. Being in possession is not the same as returning a positive test for a banned substance.

You sack him now for the non-disclosure, not the arrest itself, and you make that clear.

Let's be honest nobody is going to swoop on Kyle Lovett in 2017, not even if he was still a total clean skin.

You advise that you will help him with counselling and career options in 2017.

Then mid to end 2017 you sign him back up for 2018 on a low-tier contract, citing completion of rehabilitation. This clears the 2017 salary cap and modifies his contract to suit 2018.

And if by random chance some other club swoops under our radar, good luck to them.

Seems like the way to go.

 

[bp_tiger]

Yeah ageed, and especially the ultimate paragraph in particular.

what a load of crap, the bloke like barba done drugs, he is not 15 years old he knows right from wrong. its about time everyone was made responsible for there own actions, time to stop the feather duster approach and get serious.

You've never made a mistake bp? How about when you think about it, imagine that one mistake taking away a career you've put years of your life into building.

There are a few more facts to just taking the drugs. It was off-season, it was a small amount, he was cooperative with the police and remorseful before the courts…and his first strike.

And we live in a rather lenient society…

yes I have made mistakes and had to where the fall out from it. drugs is the worst of the lot, I have never taken anything nor have I ever smoked drugs or fags. but its not that iam taking the high road here, I think it is wrong on so many fronts that drug use is blown under carpet with a six week or 12 week ban. if they want to have the game as a model for the kids coming next then u make a statement or u let them run wild.

 

[hammertime]

what a load of crap, the bloke like barba done drugs, he is not 15 years old he knows right from wrong. its about time everyone was made responsible for there own actions, time to stop the feather duster approach and get serious.

You've never made a mistake bp? How about when you think about it, imagine that one mistake taking away a career you've put years of your life into building.

There are a few more facts to just taking the drugs. It was off-season, it was a small amount, he was cooperative with the police and remorseful before the courts…and his first strike.

And we live in a rather lenient society…

yes I have made mistakes and had to where the fall out from it. drugs is the worst of the lot, I have never taken anything nor have I ever smoked drugs or fags. but its not that iam taking the high road here, I think it is wrong on so many fronts that drug use is blown under carpet with a six week or 12 week ban. if they want to have the game as a model for the kids coming next then u make a statement or u let them run wild.

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Now, while its wrong, I think when you are talking role model status, youve got a bunch of guys in the game who have beaten their wives. Including some very notable names. Drugs are usually only self inflicted, but when you hurt someone else, like a Robert lui, it's far, far worse in my books.

But really, Kyle was wrong. Especially being to scared to report it to the club. Is it worth kicking him out, ruining a young guys life and throwing the club into turmoil? I don't think so. Is it worth him getting a harsh punishment and a final warning? Most definitely. Cut his pay, put him on suspension and send him around to every school for the first half of the year on an anti drugs campaign for the NRL. Far more effective than the boot.

 

[innsaneink]

Hahaha… Send him to schools?

Bad move imo.

 

[2041]

what a load of crap, the bloke like barba done drugs, he is not 15 years old he knows right from wrong. its about time everyone was made responsible for there own actions, time to stop the feather duster approach and get serious.

You've never made a mistake bp? How about when you think about it, imagine that one mistake taking away a career you've put years of your life into building.

There are a few more facts to just taking the drugs. It was off-season, it was a small amount, he was cooperative with the police and remorseful before the courts…and his first strike.

And we live in a rather lenient society…

yes I have made mistakes and had to where the fall out from it. drugs is the worst of the lot, I have never taken anything nor have I ever smoked drugs or fags. but its not that iam taking the high road here, I think it is wrong on so many fronts that drug use is blown under carpet with a six week or 12 week ban. if they want to have the game as a model for the kids coming next then u make a statement or u let them run wild.

People are always keen to get on the 'lock them up' bandwagon. You know which country is most likely to put people in jail for minor drug offences? The US. How's that working out for them?

 

[hammertime]

Hahaha… Send him to schools?

Bad move imo.

:laughing: with a very tight script to keep to.

 

[240z]

You've never made a mistake bp? How about when you think about it, imagine that one mistake taking away a career you've put years of your life into building.

There are a few more facts to just taking the drugs. It was off-season, it was a small amount, he was cooperative with the police and remorseful before the courts…and his first strike.

And we live in a rather lenient society…

yes I have made mistakes and had to where the fall out from it. drugs is the worst of the lot, I have never taken anything nor have I ever smoked drugs or fags. but its not that iam taking the high road here, I think it is wrong on so many fronts that drug use is blown under carpet with a six week or 12 week ban. if they want to have the game as a model for the kids coming next then u make a statement or u let them run wild.

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Now, while its wrong, I think when you are talking role model status, youve got a bunch of guys in the game who have beaten their wives. Including some very notable names. Drugs are usually only self inflicted, but when you hurt someone else, like a Robert lui, it's far, far worse in my books.

But really, Kyle was wrong. Especially being to scared to report it to the club. Is it worth kicking him out, ruining a young guys life and throwing the club into turmoil? I don't think so. Is it worth him getting a harsh punishment and a final warning? Most definitely. Cut his pay, put him on suspension and send him around to every school for the first half of the year on an anti drugs campaign for the NRL. Far more effective than the boot.

I agree 100% Hammer

 

[foreveratiger]

You've never made a mistake bp? How about when you think about it, imagine that one mistake taking away a career you've put years of your life into building.

There are a few more facts to just taking the drugs. It was off-season, it was a small amount, he was cooperative with the police and remorseful before the courts…and his first strike.

And we live in a rather lenient society…

yes I have made mistakes and had to where the fall out from it. drugs is the worst of the lot, I have never taken anything nor have I ever smoked drugs or fags. but its not that iam taking the high road here, I think it is wrong on so many fronts that drug use is blown under carpet with a six week or 12 week ban. if they want to have the game as a model for the kids coming next then u make a statement or u let them run wild.

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Now, while its wrong, I think when you are talking role model status, youve got a bunch of guys in the game who have beaten their wives. Including some very notable names. Drugs are usually only self inflicted, but when you hurt someone else, like a Robert lui, it's far, far worse in my books.

But really, Kyle was wrong. Especially being to scared to report it to the club. Is it worth kicking him out, ruining a young guys life and throwing the club into turmoil? I don't think so. Is it worth him getting a harsh punishment and a final warning? Most definitely. Cut his pay, put him on suspension and send him around to every school for the first half of the year on an anti drugs campaign for the NRL. Far more effective than the boot.

You nailed it hammertime .

It's funny some have admitted that if it was a Teddy or a Moses caught with coke that a Sackable offence shouldn't apply to them but yes to Lovett….so the Law apply to some but not others yeah whatever :unamused: .

 

[jirskyr]

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Ah I missed something, marijuana is the drug form of cannabis? Otherwise cannabis the plant is just fine if you are making rope or clothing.

 

[Bones]

And we live in a rather lenient society…

yes I have made mistakes and had to where the fall out from it. drugs is the worst of the lot, I have never taken anything nor have I ever smoked drugs or fags. but its not that iam taking the high road here, I think it is wrong on so many fronts that drug use is blown under carpet with a six week or 12 week ban. if they want to have the game as a model for the kids coming next then u make a statement or u let them run wild.

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Now, while its wrong, I think when you are talking role model status, youve got a bunch of guys in the game who have beaten their wives. Including some very notable names. Drugs are usually only self inflicted, but when you hurt someone else, like a Robert lui, it's far, far worse in my books.

But really, Kyle was wrong. Especially being to scared to report it to the club. Is it worth kicking him out, ruining a young guys life and throwing the club into turmoil? I don't think so. Is it worth him getting a harsh punishment and a final warning? Most definitely. Cut his pay, put him on suspension and send him around to every school for the first half of the year on an anti drugs campaign for the NRL. Far more effective than the boot.

You nailed it hammertime .

It's funny some have admitted that if it was a Teddy or a Moses caught with coke that a Sackable offence shouldn't apply to them but yes to Lovett….so the Law apply to some but not others yeah whatever :unamused: .

The other question is how would his team mates react knowing the club only sacked him to save their own bacon when it comes to cap issues.

Yes it may be an easy out but would the chances of the big 4 (or 3) re-signing be hurt?

I wouldn't mind the club letting him go but i don't think this is a sackable offence and i don't think the club should use it as one.

 

[Born_tiger]

Yeah but people also need to consider that Lovett and JT allegedly had a heated arugement too.. So dont see him playing first grade any time soon

 

[hammertime]

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Ah I missed something, marijuana is the drug form of cannabis? Otherwise cannabis the plant is just fine if you are making rope or clothing.

Yep, same thing mate. It's actually been shown to help with Parkinson's and other health issues.. some pretty amazing YouTube videos to look up. Interesting how it was made illegal too, good vid under Adam ruins everything series on YouTube.

But anyway, I digress from Lovett. Hopefully the club does the smart thing. Will be a good test for management.

 

[Nelson]

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Ah I missed something, marijuana is the drug form of cannabis? Otherwise cannabis the plant is just fine if you are making rope or clothing.

Yep, same thing mate. It's actually been shown to help with Parkinson's and other health issues.. some pretty amazing YouTube videos to look up. Interesting how it was made illegal too, good vid under Adam ruins everything series on YouTube.

But anyway, I digress from Lovett. Hopefully the club does the smart thing. Will be a good test for management.

He knows it's the same thing he was talking about the part where you said "Marijuana I believe is actually better than…cannabis for society"...

It does plenty of bad things to people when it's abused as well.

 

[hammertime]

I think that's where we differ. For me, drugs shouldn't be bundled together. Some aren't 'the worst of the lot' . Some are horrendous and some are not so bad. Marijuana I believe is actually better than alcohol or cannibis for society, it even is starting to show some health benefits. Cocaine is middle of the road. Ice is the worst.

Ah I missed something, marijuana is the drug form of cannabis? Otherwise cannabis the plant is just fine if you are making rope or clothing.

Yep, same thing mate. It's actually been shown to help with Parkinson's and other health issues.. some pretty amazing YouTube videos to look up. Interesting how it was made illegal too, good vid under Adam ruins everything series on YouTube.

But anyway, I digress from Lovett. Hopefully the club does the smart thing. Will be a good test for management.

He knows it's the same thing he was talking about the part where you said "Marijuana I believe is actually better than…cannabis for society"...

It does plenty of bad things to people when it's abused as well.

Ah. Didn't see that. Typo. Meant tobacco.

 

[Basil_Tiger]

What is that famous saying "Once you feel you finally have enough props , go buy another one "

Jack Gibson said something similar in the 1970's,he always said the first thing he did when joining a Club was to bolster the Packs in in First and Reserve Grades,obviously can't do that these days with the salary Cap.