Kyle Lovett gone?

[boonboon]

The player has committed multiple offences in my mind

Possession and usage of Coke
Driving under the influence of drugs
Not telling the club or the NRL of his arrest

The 3 of them combined should lead to him being sacked

No I don't believe that would be the punishment for a Tedesco or a Moses but if you aren't that good a player then you should be even more careful

 

[bonstonker]

in these instances i just want what is best for the club.
with our salary cap problems,i would be happy for the club to keep him if he is in their plans for the future.
but he will have to pay the price of reduced income this year to get us under the cap along with 8 week suspension.he can go through a drug program with the club or nrl drug program.
if he believes he deserves better,then bye bye .

 

[240z]

The player has committed multiple offences in my mind

Possession and usage of Coke
Driving under the influence of drugs
Not telling the club or the NRL of his arrest

The 3 of them combined should lead to him being sacked

No I don't believe that would be the punishment for a Tedesco or a Moses but if you aren't that good a player then you should be even more careful

He was only convicted of possession not use

Still a stupid mistake though

Lets see what the NRL Integrity Unit comes up with

 

[jirskyr]

Peni Terepo was given a 15 k fine and a 3 week ban for DUI by Parra

You'd have to think that this is at least as twice as bad as that

I'd say 2.74x as bad.

 

[Newtown]

Peni Terepo was given a 15 k fine and a 3 week ban for DUI by Parra

You'd have to think that this is at least as twice as bad as that

I'd say 2.74x as bad.

Parra is Parra. Their culture becomes worse every year. No remorse from their coach. He really believes that Parra should be confirmed as 2016 Nines champions.

 

[PD77]

Sack him. Do we want a club that accepts this? He's an adult, he knows the risks. The end.

 

[supercoach]

Sack him. Do we want a club that accepts this? He's an adult, he knows the risks. The end.

Thats okay but I hope your willing to apply the same justice to everyone else in the club from the best player to the worst

 

[Glennb]

I want the club to sack him. for the following reasons, its a stupid and illegal thing to do that puts him the club and the game in disrepute but mostly because he is a barely fringe player on decent money and the club supposedly has cap issues.

Its tough, not fair and a complete double standard (if it was Teddy I'd say fine and short suspension) but its also a tough gig. If there is a behaviour clause in the contract, use it.

 

[hammertime]

I think the question that the club has to ask themselves if they sack him as well is 'is this going to effect our signings'

If we go into the room and talk loyality after sacking a bloke on his first indiscretion, we won't have a leg to stand on. I don't know how close he is to the big 4 guys, but either way, I think this is best deal with via the middle of the road and quietly.

Take half his pay check, get him to ride the pine for the first half of the season to send a message, but support the bloke.

It will be win-win. We get some cap space, send an appropriate message but also don't derail our season or future signings.

Also, with problems in player welfare in the past, we really need to make sure this is dealt with some sensibility.

 

[Geo]

Fining Lovett will have Zero impact on the cap as his salary is still included..

Sacking him then re-signing to a lower contract may..I don't know how that would fly with the NRL as we are not Cronulla…

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Everyone's saying cut him loose and be done with him, is it really the thing to do when we've been in the spotlight over poor player welfare in the past?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Fining Lovett will have Zero impact on the cap as his salary is still included..

Sacking him then re-signing to a lower contract may..I don't know how that would fly with the NRL as we are not Cronulla…

The NRL never signed off on this idea with Cronulla, so tough to gauge if it would/should be allowed.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Fining Lovett will have Zero impact on the cap as his salary is still included..

Sacking him then re-signing to a lower contract may..I don't know how that would fly with the NRL as we are not Cronulla…

The NRL never signed off on this idea with Cronulla, so tough to gauge if it would/should be allowed.

You can bet London to a brick that if we did it, it'd get knocked on the head.

All this talk of suspension, was he convicted of being under the influence or returning a positive test? That was the reason why Barba got punted for 12 weeks. Being in possession is not the same as returning a positive test for a banned substance.

 

[240z]

Sack him. Do we want a club that accepts this? He's an adult, he knows the risks. The end.

Thats okay but I hope your willing to apply the same justice to everyone else in the club from the best player to the worst

Everybody makes mistakes, read this
http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/taylor-made-coachs-career-highs-and-lows/2009/09/17/1252780409410.html

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think the question that the club has to ask themselves if they sack him as well is 'is this going to effect our signings'

If we go into the room and talk loyality after sacking a bloke on his first indiscretion, we won't have a leg to stand on. I don't know how close he is to the big 4 guys, but either way, I think this is best deal with via the middle of the road and quietly.

Take half his pay check, get him to ride the pine for the first half of the season to send a message, but support the bloke.

It will be win-win. We get some cap space, send an appropriate message but also don't derail our season or future signings.

Also, with problems in player welfare in the past, we really need to make sure this is dealt with some sensibility.

Its one thing to worry about how the loyalty card would go down after the Farah saga, its another to think it will work against the club after sacking a player for cocaine possession.

 

[PD77]

Sack him. Do we want a club that accepts this? He's an adult, he knows the risks. The end.

Thats okay but I hope your willing to apply the same justice to everyone else in the club from the best player to the worst

Well it's not up to me and I don't have the skill-set to tie my own shoelaces let alone run an NRL club, but my opinion won't change. :laughing:

 

[TrueTiger]

Sack him. Do we want a club that accepts this? He's an adult, he knows the risks. The end.

Thats okay but I hope your willing to apply the same justice to everyone else in the club from the best player to the worst

Everybody makes mistakes, read this
http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/taylor-made-coachs-career-highs-and-lows/2009/09/17/1252780409410.html

I read it LM,we all know Taylors history as a player and coach,he has had his bad days on and particularly off the field…but for all the things he did do,throwing urine and being punched out by a player he coached,I could not find anything about him being in possession of any elicite drugs or being found guilty of using them..not saying Lovett is using,I don't know the bloke,but if your caught in possession of them then it is an offense...comparing Taylors misdemenours to this particular case are totally opposite..these days there are plenty of warnings about drugs,get involved with them is to your own demise......

 

[jirskyr]

Fining Lovett will have Zero impact on the cap as his salary is still included..

Sacking him then re-signing to a lower contract may..I don't know how that would fly with the NRL as we are not Cronulla…

The NRL never signed off on this idea with Cronulla, so tough to gauge if it would/should be allowed.

You can bet London to a brick that if we did it, it'd get knocked on the head.

All this talk of suspension, was he convicted of being under the influence or returning a positive test? That was the reason why Barba got punted for 12 weeks. Being in possession is not the same as returning a positive test for a banned substance.

You sack him now for the non-disclosure, not the arrest itself, and you make that clear.

Let's be honest nobody is going to swoop on Kyle Lovett in 2017, not even if he was still a total clean skin.

You advise that you will help him with counselling and career options in 2017.

Then mid to end 2017 you sign him back up for 2018 on a low-tier contract, citing completion of rehabilitation. This clears the 2017 salary cap and modifies his contract to suit 2018.

And if by random chance some other club swoops under our radar, good luck to them.

 

[jirskyr]

Sack him. Do we want a club that accepts this? He's an adult, he knows the risks. The end.

Thats okay but I hope your willing to apply the same justice to everyone else in the club from the best player to the worst

Everybody makes mistakes, read this
http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/taylor-made-coachs-career-highs-and-lows/2009/09/17/1252780409410.html

It's pretty interesting when you read that.

2005: Taylor gets the Parra reserves gig in 2005 and they win the comp.
2006: Taylor steps into role following resignation of Brian Smith in Round 10 and guides Parra to finals. Noting here that Parra were the MPs in 2005, but were 12th and 9th the years prior.
2007: signed to Souths as co-coach but Shaun McRae is sacked before the season starts, gets Souths to first finals in 15 seasons.
2008-09 Souths come 14th and 10th, Taylor has the Fa'alogo incident and is sacked.

He gets some great results early, then Souths cull him after not quite pulling it off over 3 seasons. Think about how long Tim Sheens got extended between finals births 2006-2009, sure he won the comp.

JT's had the opposite with Tigers, he's started badly and improved in 2nd year. He will 100% get an extension if Tigers make the finals in 2017 and there are no other indiscretions. It seems apparent enough that he can coach, maybe his player relationship management skills need work, but he has gotten results with fairly average rosters.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think the question that the club has to ask themselves if they sack him as well is 'is this going to effect our signings'

If we go into the room and talk loyality after sacking a bloke on his first indiscretion, we won't have a leg to stand on. I don't know how close he is to the big 4 guys, but either way, I think this is best deal with via the middle of the road and quietly.

Take half his pay check, get him to ride the pine for the first half of the season to send a message, but support the bloke.

It will be win-win. We get some cap space, send an appropriate message but also don't derail our season or future signings.

Also, with problems in player welfare in the past, we really need to make sure this is dealt with some sensibility.

Yeah ageed, and especially the ultimate paragraph in particular.