Kyle Lovett gone?

[gallagher]

I don't care. Bottom of the line is he got caught. Kyle - You're fired.

I don't care about the rest of the comp. I worry about us. We have standards and he hasn't met them.

So after the club sacks him should they not worry about him?

The club has a duty of care to its employees and this lad will need support. Yes he was foolish but do you want the club to be responsible for destroying his life. The club has responsibility to look after him even if he has done the wrong thing.

The club will need to meet its own standards on this mater as well

A duty of care is fair enough but that doesnt mean we cant sack him. Otherwise no one would ever get sacked. Is the club looking after Mark Oneills welfare?

At some stage you gotta take resposiblity for your own mistakes.

 

[ricksen]

Yeah many will say this is a perfect opportunity to give ourselves room with the Cap but i believe this will do massive damage to the young Man Mentally as **no other Club will go near him** and potentially wreck all the hard work his put in cause of the one mistake his made , maybe this is not the 1st time that his been on the white stuff but if he can't learn from this and is caught again ? instant Contract tear up.

just my Opinion .

Just on the bit in bold, I don't agree with this at all. I'm pretty ambivalent on how the club handles this tbh, but to think clubs won't go near him after a (relatively) minor offence - not a chance. The Roosters signed 2 or 3 repeat offenders in this off-season alone, let alone the other ne'er-do-wells running about in the NRL. If he's good enough, he'll definitely get a gig.

I think he means no other club will pick him up because his not a great player.

Yeah that's what i meant Nucky .

I don't think he is a great player at all and i believe he only got a chance because of our Salary Cap issues and we had to play some below average players .

You may have a point there. He shouldn't have been re-signed last year IMO

 

[jadtiger]

I don't care. Bottom of the line is he got caught. Kyle - You're fired.

I don't care about the rest of the comp. I worry about us. We have standards and he hasn't met them.

So after the club sacks him should they not worry about him?

The club has a duty of care to its employees and this lad will need support. Yes he was foolish but do you want the club to be responsible for destroying his life. The club has responsibility to look after him even if he has done the wrong thing.

The club will need to meet its own standards on this mater as well

A duty of care is fair enough but that doesnt mean we cant sack him. Otherwise no one would ever get sacked. Is the club looking after Mark Oneills welfare?

At some stage you gotta take resposiblity for your own mistakes.

You could definately sack him and give professional help to cover doc and hope he learns.In the end it all comes down to his actions and responsibilities.None disclosure to the club is a sackable offence as far as i am concerned.

 

[240z]

I don't care. Bottom of the line is he got caught. Kyle - You're fired.

I don't care about the rest of the comp. I worry about us. We have standards and he hasn't met them.

So after the club sacks him should they not worry about him?

The club has a duty of care to its employees and this lad will need support. Yes he was foolish but do you want the club to be responsible for destroying his life. The club has responsibility to look after him even if he has done the wrong thing.

The club will need to meet its own standards on this mater as well

A duty of care is fair enough but that doesnt mean we cant sack him. Otherwise no one would ever get sacked. Is the club looking after Mark Oneills welfare?

At some stage you gotta take resposiblity for your own mistakes.

You could definately sack him and give professional help to cover doc and hope he learns.In the end it all comes down to his actions and responsibilities.None disclosure to the club is a sackable offence as far as i am concerned.

Just saw this on MSN
"Parramatta have fined Peni Terepo $15,000 and suspended him for three NRL matches after the powerhouse prop concealed drink-driving charges from the club.

In court last Friday, Terepo pleaded guilty to careless driving and refusing to give a blood alcohol test after he was pulled over by police in Auckland on January 8."

 

[Donald_Trump]

I don't care. Bottom of the line is he got caught. Kyle - You're fired.

I don't care about the rest of the comp. I worry about us. We have standards and he hasn't met them.

So after the club sacks him should they not worry about him?

The club has a duty of care to its employees and this lad will need support. Yes he was foolish but do you want the club to be responsible for destroying his life. The club has responsibility to look after him even if he has done the wrong thing.

The club will need to meet its own standards on this mater as well

A duty of care is fair enough but that doesnt mean we cant sack him. Otherwise no one would ever get sacked. Is the club looking after Mark Oneills welfare?

At some stage you gotta take resposiblity for your own mistakes.

You could definately sack him and give professional help to cover doc and hope he learns.In the end it all comes down to his actions and responsibilities.None disclosure to the club is a sackable offence as far as i am concerned.

Thanks for backing me up.

His personal welfare should be taken care of by the NRL. No question about that.

I believe we need to make an example of him and be consistent with the Mark O'Neill decision to rid our club of him. Lovett is a grown man and as per what the judge said, he would have had a lot of education about drugs and alcohol via the club and the NRL. More than the common person! Lovatt only has himself to blame and put himself in that position.

Finally, he has brought our great club and comp into disrepute. Enough is enough already! Let him go play French rugby for all I care. We don't want him or need him. And this applies to everybody.

 

[tigerap]

He is best mates with Brooks and Moses if the club punt him it could jeopardise resigning them

 

[Geo]

He is best mates with Brooks and Moses if the club punt him it could jeopardise resigning them

Wasn't Curtis Sironen part of that posse as well…?

 

[tigerap]

Yeah but he wasn't sacked by the club… the only way Lovett will leave WT is if he is sacked as not even Desperados Knights want him...

 

[diedpretty]

WT are obviously paying this guy way too much if he can afford to be driving around in black merc and can afford to sniff coke. Wannabee gangsta. Sack him but offer his full costs of rehab - his choice if he accepts.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Powerful stand against crime by NRL, again :smiley:
There are rules or there are no rules. Players are not unresponsible 3 year old, many of them are paid away too much for traces of brain cells which they (allegedly) possess.

 

[diedpretty]

In no way do I condone his actions but who hasn't as a young person has not made a mistake. Had a beer or two too many and drove home, had a puff on the magic herbs.

Look at the other players in the comp who are far worse, rapists, wife beaters, drunk drivers and dealers. Show some compassion and try not to destroy his life. Hell just compare what he did to what one of the "immortals" was like.

I think your spot on Magpie .

I'm by far Lovett's biggest supporter on the field but cut the guy some slack and give the young Man a chance to show that his made a big mistake and won't happen again .
I'm sure if a player like Tedesco was caught everyone will be saying " 1st offence give him another shot his to valuable to get rid off and then what ? another Club picks him up after the suspension and we loose ".
I bet the tune would be different in this instance.

Yeah many will say this is a perfect opportunity to give ourselves room with the Cap but i believe this will do massive damage to the young Man Mentally as no other Club will go near him and potentially wreck all the hard work his put in cause of the one mistake his made , maybe this is not the 1st time that his been on the white stuff but if he can't learn from this and is caught again ? instant Contract tear up.

just my Opinion .

I know its your opinion. I respect that and everyone has a right to an opinion of course.

Mine is different. A mistake is'dropping a glass in the kitchen and it breaks, or even having a few beers and going close to the limit if you want to use that analogy.

A mistake is not using coke and quite probably other stuff. Next thing will be 'its the first time he ever touched the stuff'.

Draw a line.

Its pi55 poor behaviour and a disrespect for the club, fans, other players and himself. And the old ' well someone else did it too' has never washed with me.

Seriously, he is a grown man who should know the priveliged position he has through his own hard work. There are 20 other young guys who would gladly take his place and not be a coke head.

I seriously think the reason society is on the down is because people keep brushing these sorts of things aside as a 'mistake by a young man'. And for the record, id pay Tedesco's cab fair out of the place if he was in that position. It shows a distinct lack of brains and respect.

Just my opinion.

Weird how you think drink driving is a less morally blameworthy than sniffing coke. One has the potential to kill others, the other doesn't. Bizarre.

Also weird given that alcohol unequivocally causes more social problems than coke.

Are you saying sniffing coke and driving doesn't have the potential to cause accidents that kill people - cause thats the way it reads.

 

[Newtown]

He is best mates with Brooks and Moses if the club punt him it could jeopardise resigning them

Let's hope these two aren't hooked on the same stuff as well.

 

[happy_tiger]

Peni Terepo was given a 15 k fine and a 3 week ban for DUI by Parra

You'd have to think that this is at least as twice as bad as that

The club needs to make a statement with whatever they do and it needs to be loud and clear to any other players who might be in the same boat or considering the same lack of judgement as Lovett

You couldn't see the club keeping him beyond 2017 unless he grows another arm and leg performance wise

25 k fine and donate it to charity and a 6 week ban

 

[krayola]

He definitely shouldn't be sacked. Sooooo many people in their 20s, of all professions, use drugs, be it cocaine, weed, ecstasy and so on. They don't lose their jobs. In some workplaces it's even quietly encouraged. You can argue that what he did is illegal and that as an athlete, it's even worse. But the culture of the sport is to tolerate drug use, as long as it's not performance enhancing. I'll bet he's not the only one on the team to use drugs and he's far from alone if you factor in other clubs.

But the biggest reason we shouldn't use this as a precedent is in case Moses or Teddy or Woods got caught doing they same thing. I sure as hell wouldn't want to lose one of them because they take the occasional pill or snort a line. And I imagine the response on the forum would be similar to my opinion in that case too.

Not only that but while we may have forward pack depth in terms of numbers, not much of it is quality. We need Lovett, at least for this season. Sack him and re-sign him cheaper like Barba, but don't just get rid of him.

My biggest concern here is why the f@ck was he doing this by himself in his car? Those are social drugs, particularly MDMA (I know he said it wasn't his but the profuse sweating makes me think otherwise) and for him to be doing that by himself may be symptomatic of an addiction or even dealing.

 

[hammertime]

For me, they can't fire him over the possession, it's a bad look for a first offence where he has shown remorse. But they can over him not notifying the club or nrl of being arrested… that's almost worse.

 

[madgey76]

The bloke is an idiot for using that stuff anyway, should the club sack him = yes, why you ask, because if we don't we will be seen (the club) as a laughing stock by everyone, the club said that they were changing our culture….. well Mr Pascoe step up to the plate mate

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Anyone know when our next board meeting is?

 

[Snake]

I have one question did Lovett tell his manager what happened immediately…did his manager tell him not to tell the club ? If this is the case shouldn't his manager be de registered by the NRL .
Mr Lovett has committed the crime ..Mr Lovett did not inform his employer as he is required to do ,this puts Mr Lovetts judgment and behaviour at odds with what the club has been trying to change the OLD CULTURE of our club .
Mr Lovett has to be sacked by the club for the club to have any credibility in its efforts to show its members and supporters that indeed the culture has changed ...Mr Lovett has to realise it was his actions that has put him in this situation now for the consequences!

 

[tigerap]

The club should fine him $200k…and not re-sign him ...stick him in NSW for 2017

The money could then be used to pay the fine the NRL will impose on the WT for being over the cap.

Problem solved.

 

[tigerap]

I have one question did Lovett tell his manager what happened immediately…did his manager tell him not to tell the club ? If this is the case shouldn't his manager be de registered by the NRL .
Mr Lovett has committed the crime ..Mr Lovett did not inform his employer as he is required to do ,this puts Mr Lovetts judgment and behaviour at odds with what the club has been trying to change the OLD CULTURE of our club .
Mr Lovett has to be sacked by the club for the club to have any credibility in its efforts to show its members and supporters that indeed the culture has changed ...Mr Lovett has to realise it was his actions that has put him in this situation now for the consequences!

Officer to Mr Lovett: is that a gun in your pants or are you just glad to see me?
Mr Lovett to Officer: No maaan I've got some cocaine in there.