OFFICIAL Lachlan Galvin #277 *Released* Career Discussion.

rugbygoated said:
rugbygoated said:
Crichton played for samoa last year in the pacific championship and still delivered for dogs. We just need him fit for the preseason to lead standards. Does this mean we should not allow any players to play internationals? I'm sure latu could do with playing for tonga with his brothers. As well as galvin maybe making the australian team with cleary and moses having surgery and munster a bit shaky with injuries and form
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Crichton played for samoa last year in the pacific championship and still delivered for dogs. We just need him fit for the preseason to lead standards. Does this mean we should not allow any players to play internationals? I'm sure latu could do with playing for tonga with his brothers. As well as galvin maybe making the australian team with cleary and moses having surgery and munster a bit shaky with injuries and form
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As well as galvin maybe making the australian team with cleary and moses having surgery and munster a bit shaky with injuries and form.
Maybe with Latrell out young
Makaseni or Large might be a chance as well 😉
 
Tucker said:
Yes, but Ethan playing without a halfback and admittedly falling away a bit still has his team in contention.
Lachy playing sporadically without a halfback will be lucky not to get the spoon.
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I would say that Canberra are still (just) in contention due to factors other than Strange.

Just as the Tigers are in contention (and likely) for the spoon due to factors other than Galvin.

Galvin vs Strange
Appearances 20 20
Tries 4 2
Try Assists 14 9
Line Break As. 8 9
Line Breaks 6 8
Tackle Breaks 47 82
Forced Dr. Outs 8 3
Tackle Eff. 92.8% 86.4%

Fairly balanced, though I'd say that on pure output, Lachlan has him covered.

Also playing in an objectively less experienced side and a probably well-assumed 'worse' side, so less tools to use in attack and more exposed in defence, for and against speak to that.

Ethan is also a year older than Galvin.

I think both statistically, and the eye test, at least for mine, say that, whilst Strange is a dynamic and strong runner of the football and a great young prospect, Lachlan has the more well-rounded game, on both sides of the ball, is more creative and produces more points.

That's in spite of him being 'sporadic' at times, which I agree with.
 
Kelce68 said:
I would say that Canberra are still (just) in contention due to factors other than Strange.

Just as the Tigers are in contention (and likely) for the spoon due to factors other than Galvin.

Galvin vs Strange
Appearances 20 20
Tries 4 2
Try Assists 14 9
Line Break As. 8 9
Line Breaks 6 8
Tackle Breaks 47 82
Forced Dr. Outs 8 3
Tackle Eff. 92.8% 86.4%

Fairly balanced, though I'd say that on pure output, Lachlan has him covered.

Also playing in an objectively less experienced side and a probably well-assumed 'worse' side, so less tools to use in attack and more exposed in defence, for and against speak to that.

Ethan is also a year older than Galvin.

I think both statistically, and the eye test, at least for mine, say that, whilst Strange is a dynamic and strong runner of the football and a great young prospect, Lachlan has the more well-rounded game, on both sides of the ball, is more creative and produces more points.

That's in spite of him being 'sporadic' at times, which I agree with.
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I think people sometimes confuse individual effort with capability to get a group working together. A lot of fans see Galvins stats and high involvement and are convinced he is playing well. You then ask them if that is the case, why is our attack so poor? The answers always blame others…what they are saying is that this team is largely made up by seasoned first graders who don’t know what they are doing, yet a kid straight out of school does. If you watch him closely though, he throws 100 darts at the board per game with maybe 4 or 5 actually hitting the scoring section. Most of them hit the bricks.
Players like Strange facilitate the effective play of their outside backs far better as they are more structured in their dedication to the game plan. This is also why they have better results.
 
Tucker said:
I think people sometimes confuse individual effort with capability to get a group working together. A lot of fans see Galvins stats and high involvement and are convinced he is playing well. You then ask them if that is the case, why is our attack so poor? The answers always blame others…what they are saying is that this team is largely made up by seasoned first graders who don’t know what they are doing, yet a kid straight out of school does. If you watch him closely though, he throws 100 darts at the board per game with maybe 4 or 5 actually hitting the scoring section. Most of them hit the bricks.
Players like Strange facilitate the effective play of their outside backs far better as they are more structured in their dedication to the game plan. This is also why they have better results.
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I understand what you're saying.

It's hard to find metrics on synchronicity of backline play, but try assists and linebreaks assists at least in part provide an insight to how well a play maker is bringing others into the play through their own involvement.

Personally, I don't think it matters how many darts he throws, the outcome is all that matters. Provided he is facilitating points to a satisfactory (or beyond) level and not putting the team under pressure with too many regular poor options as well (kicking dead, running his men out of space or over the sideline, hospital balls leading to errors, etc) and therefore costing us field position/ momentum/ points, then I think he doing his fair share.

You ask why the attack has been so poor; for the majority of the season, it certainly was and he should shoulder his share of the blame for that.

Poor options/decision making from all halves, constant backline/halves rotations due to injury/suspension, poor discipline putting us under fatigue pressure early in games each week, structurally not in sync (key point) and execution is important; I don't have a metric, but there was a run of games earlier in the season where we dropped the ball on or over the line at least once for weeks on end.

Why was execution so poor? A lack of experience I'd say, thrown in with what I suspect is a lack of copious, at speed, under fatigue drill work, which is required to be able to nail those moments. As opposed to say a more devil-may-care/ play-what-you-see kinda deal, that I suspect Benji had tried to encourage early, which was verifiably average in results.

Though it's multifaceted and I think as the year has gone on, our attack has looked better and Galvin has continued to provide value on the attacking side of the ball to match that improvement.
 
rugbygoated said:
Crichton played for samoa last year in the pacific championship and still delivered for dogs. We just need him fit for the preseason to lead standards. Does this mean we should not allow any players to play internationals? I'm sure latu could do with playing for tonga with his brothers. As well as galvin maybe making the australian team with cleary and moses having surgery and munster a bit shaky with injuries and form
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No I am not, just saying with him leaving the 3 peat and going to the southern 3 peat. And starting at a new club for his first time it would be great for one season for him to relinquish his rep duties just for this off season! He’s the game changer and fir him ti drive the standards, what better way to do this?!?
 
Tucker said:
The disjointed, instructured attack has largely come from Galvin.
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Wrong. He can overplay his hand at times but he's the ONLY attack at times. Sezer literally never runs the ball. Bula is good running off balls but not playmaking, Koroisau's had a fair few shocking decisions with his passing. Lachie had a period where his try assists were drying up, but you can expect that from a youngster
 
rugbygoated said:
Wrong. He can overplay his hand at times but he's the ONLY attack at times. Sezer literally never runs the ball. Bula is good running off balls but not playmaking, Koroisau's had a fair few shocking decisions with his passing. Lachie had a period where his try assists were drying up, but you can expect that from a youngster
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None of what you said proves I’m wrong.
He is our LEAD playmaker and touches the ball more than anyone bar Api.
If he touches the ball so often, on both sides of the ruck and we struggle to post points because the attack is disjointed than why doesn’t he cop some of the blame? You say the attack is unstructured. Do you suppose that is because the coach has allowed this kid to do whatever he wants out there?
 
NRL 360 from last night had a quick feature where the vets were asked which rookie player just blew you away when they started in grade. Spud mentioned Freddy and they showed a few clips, I fought man that reminds of Galvin currently.
Benny said the same thing.
Was anyone else thinking it?
 
rugbygoated said:
Wrong. He can overplay his hand at times but he's the ONLY attack at times. Sezer literally never runs the ball. Bula is good running off balls but not playmaking, Koroisau's had a fair few shocking decisions with his passing. Lachie had a period where his try assists were drying up, but you can expect that from a youngster
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You’ve only had to watch our centres (and wingers) butcher tries all year to see where the true problems lie. It happened at least three times in one half against Manly. Simple opportunity ruined by poor execution. Chances that NRL outside backs are supposed to ice in their sleep and ours just kook them. Blaming halves for that is a cop out.
 
BAGNF05 said:
You’ve only had to watch our centres (and wingers) butcher tries all year to see where the true problems lie. It happened at least three times in one half against Manly. Simple opportunity ruined by poor execution. Chances that NRL outside backs are supposed to ice in their sleep and ours just kook them. Blaming halves for that is a cop out.
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When they aren’t set up properly it’s hard to ice them.
The cop out is blaming the guys on the end of the line who have no room to move or still have to beat 3 cover defenders because they weren’t engaged properly back in field.
When we get it right, our wingers have no problem finishing.
 
IF Richo can somehow have Galvin extended before next season starts, he will deserve a statue outside concord...
I hate how Gus can talk in the media as there always is a motive. Galvin will know he just needs to wait 12 months, and he will have most clubs interest and unlimited $$$

I don't know what's fair but Richo won't put clauses in contract so do we offer him a 4 year deal starting at 800k to 1.2mil like Luai .. IDK but we need to keep this kid
 
liltiger said:
Silly rule really, I remember the year Andrew Johns was suspended for giving Preston Campbell a forearm. Johns was a walk in for the Dally m medal but because he was suspended Campbell ended up winning it. Instead of being best and fairest there should be 2 awards. One for the best and one for the fairest. In terms of rookie of the year it's just silly. Imo he's been by far the best rookie all year a complete stand out in the last placed team but gets no recognition because of a hip drop. Imo whoever wins it only wins it by default.
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I suppose you could say that it is silly when you look at Les Boyd being inducted into the Hall of Fame.
 
Tucker said:
When they aren’t set up properly it’s hard to ice them.
The cop out is blaming the guys on the end of the line who have no room to move or still have to beat 3 cover defenders because they weren’t engaged properly back in field.
When we get it right, our wingers have no problem finishing.
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I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one.

Lachy set up Staines on one side and then Faaatape was set up 5 mins later against Manly. They both came up with amateur hour forward passes.

That shits been happening all year. Keystone cops.
 
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