Last days of the Mighty Magpies

[system]

The joint agreement with Ryde Eastwood exists for another 2 years after this one. There is an allowance though that they will revert to a sponsorship role in some capacity if a Wests Tigers team is fielded from memory

 

[system]

This is a perfect opportunity to stage a protest in front of a wood fire in an old 44 gallon metal drum chanting 1920's union anthems though :slight_smile:

 

[happy_tiger]

Can't see Ashfield stumping up $400k for the state cup next year. I am sure the four Ashfield directors will vote for a merged Wests Tigers team …. What alternative is there ?

Wests Ashfield have already agreed to funding the money. So you can guarentee Wests Magpies will be there next year. Can anyone advise if Ryde Eastwood will continue with Balmain or not ?

If they do, then we would assume they will get all the WT players and staff like this year. If they dont, then I guess Wests Magpies will become the feeder team.

This will be all dependant on what the NRLC decides to do . If they decide on reserve grade sides it won't matter how much money Ashfield has

 

[Jackie_Chiles]

The joint agreement with Ryde Eastwood exists for another 2 years after this one. There is an allowance though that they will revert to a sponsorship role in some capacity if a Wests Tigers team is fielded from memory

Well in that case realisticly you can presumed that there is a very strong chance that next year the same may exist as what it does in 2012, with Wests Ashfield pouring in heaps of money into a team that the Wests Tigers do not support. Are we looking at another year of 50 point floggings?

Ryde Eastwood Leagues must be pissing themselves laughing !! They dont own one iota of Wests Tigers, but they get a great return for the money they put in.

Wests Tigers need to take a good long hard look at themselves and start treating the Wests Group with the respect they deserve. Things will get ugly I dare say.

 

[system]

Not really.

Wests Tigers have to do in the end with what is best for both Wests Tigers and the traditions both foundation clubs hold and the areas which are key to growth.

For mine this is best achieved with branding right across the three grades with Wests Tigers name and combined sponsorship suite as it not only works best in terms of logistics but also in terms of getting ahead of the game as there are more and more rumblings in high places about a united top tier reserve grade competition.

By making plans on shifting the NYC into a new purpose built training facility as is being touted I think it achieves two purposes in that it helps better engage with the local community of the Macarthur and also gives a more feesible transition for kids coming into the system from outside with cheaper housing, less media fishbowl status and a chance to build a really strong league youth community in Campbelltown.

It would also likely see a Bundy Cup side of fringe NYC players and also allow feeder contracts to be drawn up so that players can be promoted or dropped back between State Cup and Bundy Cup as this is only allowable until June in the current two State Cup structure and means permanent moves not allowing for form return, injury or player progression.

State Cup will always train out of the same facility as the NRL side so they will be based out of concord and I would hope Leichhardt & CSS both see reserve grade games through the season. The mooted facility at Cambelltown does however give the NRL & State Cup sides a greater opportunity to train in the Macarthur in the week leading up to games and have better community engagement.

Finally on your point about Ryde Eastwoods investment return. It is actually less return than the sponsors of the NRL side receive in terms of exposure, player access and marketing and our sponsors are not owners of one iota of Wests Tigers either.

It should all be about attracting the best players, the most corporate interest, engaging with all of what we deem local communities and building a football powerhouse both on and off the field that many of us dreamt of back in 1999.

 

[Staks]

If it goes to a members vote I can't see the proposal agreed to by either side of the joint venture.

The Pratten Park Magpies have the majority of the Wests football club membership. In which Liubinskas is a influential member so it be interesting to see there stance on the issue if it goes to a vote, WestsAshfield have made it no secret they favour a Wests Tigers state cup side and will fund it…. only if the Football club agrees though.

Balmain imo won't vote in favour of it as they already have the benefits from the Wests Tigers. Why would they want to give that up and also lose the Balmain identity.

All politics though when it should be all about providing the best opportunities to local juniors to make it to the top. I've said it in the past but it can never be 50-50\. Both sides need to be able to accept this if they really want to make the Wests Tigers a success.

My view is that a joint reserve grade side will only eventuate if the ARLC brings it in. In the meantime nothing will change unless the Wests Tigers field there own team and cut ties with both football clubs - which we know won't happen.

 

[system]

I cant see it going to a member vote to be honest Staks

 

[Jackie_Chiles]

So it will be the same crap as this year then.
Smeghead NYC does not have the same sponsors so why would a WT state cup side ?

 

[system]

It isn't the same sponsors, though Isri is a minor NRL sponsor as well as the NYC major sponsor. It is a sponsorship suite which you give smaller companies a chance to be attatched to the WT brand by a lesser investment in State Cup, small player sponsorships etc and gives a greater range for more companies to become involved with the Wests Tigers brand than currently exist.

I still believe we will see some movement for the 2013 season, I believe it will all be done at board level as the elected representatives of the membership.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Balmain imo won't vote in favour of it as they already have the benefits from the Wests Tigers. Why would they want to give that up and also lose the Balmain identity.

I disagree Staks. Balmain will vote for it because it is not sustainable for Balmain (via the leagues club) to fund a State Cup team and support Wests Tigers. When push comes to shove from a financial perspective, they will choose Wests Tigers and rightly so.

The big question is the Wests Group. They have the long term and sustainable capacity to fund both a State Cup team and fund Wests Tigers - the financials are not a constraint. The article quotes them as now being aligned and coordinated and as per the herald article, "are anxious to make a strong presence at the meeting." What does this mean?

 

[boonboon]

The 400 k wests group spend on the magpies state cup team would be best spent on the juniors and this is what a merged state cup team will allow -however I don't really care as I now support the jets in nsw cup because I enjoy Henson park and wanted to make a split from my past of balmain to support wests tigers and newtown jets

 

[hammertime]

Not really.

Wests Tigers have to do in the end with what is best for both Wests Tigers and the traditions both foundation clubs hold and the areas which are key to growth.

For mine this is best achieved with branding right across the three grades with Wests Tigers name and combined sponsorship suite as it not only works best in terms of logistics but also in terms of getting ahead of the game as there are more and more rumblings in high places about a united top tier reserve grade competition.

By making plans on shifting the NYC into a new purpose built training facility as is being touted I think it achieves two purposes in that it helps better engage with the local community of the Macarthur and also gives a more feesible transition for kids coming into the system from outside with cheaper housing, less media fishbowl status and a chance to build a really strong league youth community in Campbelltown.

It would also likely see a Bundy Cup side of fringe NYC players and also allow feeder contracts to be drawn up so that players can be promoted or dropped back between State Cup and Bundy Cup as this is only allowable until June in the current two State Cup structure and means permanent moves not allowing for form return, injury or player progression.

State Cup will always train out of the same facility as the NRL side so they will be based out of concord and I would hope Leichhardt & CSS both see reserve grade games through the season. The mooted facility at Cambelltown does however give the NRL & State Cup sides a greater opportunity to train in the Macarthur in the week leading up to games and have better community engagement.

Finally on your point about Ryde Eastwoods investment return. It is actually less return than the sponsors of the NRL side receive in terms of exposure, player access and marketing and our sponsors are not owners of one iota of Wests Tigers either.

It should all be about attracting the best players, the most corporate interest, engaging with all of what we deem local communities and building a football powerhouse both on and off the field that many of us dreamt of back in 1999.

Perfectly summed up Smeg!!

 

[Knuckles]

I doubt Wests Magpies football club members will have a say in it.

 

[Paris_Cobbs]

Yeah, well said Smeg.

 

[Staks]

Balmain imo won't vote in favour of it as they already have the benefits from the Wests Tigers. Why would they want to give that up and also lose the Balmain identity.

I disagree Staks. Balmain will vote for it because it is not sustainable for Balmain (via the leagues club) to fund a State Cup team and support Wests Tigers. When push comes to shove from a financial perspective, they will choose Wests Tigers and rightly so.

The big question is the Wests Group. They have the long term and sustainable capacity to fund both a State Cup team and fund Wests Tigers - the financials are not a constraint. The article quotes them as now being aligned and coordinated and as per the herald article, "are anxious to make a strong presence at the meeting." What does this mean?

I don't think the members of the respective football clubs will vote for it after they are presented with the information after Thursdays meeting.

Wests group aligned? doubt it.

 

[galahs]

I hear Wests Tigers have drawn up a 1 A4 page 'White Paper' on their proposition.

Where are the facts figures, definitive plans that are to ensure us the future is safe in their hands?

There are none. Once again it is all lip service.

don't right of the Magpie board just yet people. They are far from convinced that Wests Tigers plan is the best thing for the district. And remember, the Magpies constitution as a district club is to do what is best for the district…. not just the Wests Tigers.

 

[Guest]

I hear Wests Tigers have drawn up a 1 A4 page 'White Paper' on their proposition.

Where are the facts figures, definitive plans that are to ensure us the future is safe in their hands?

There are none. Once again it is all lip service.

don't right of the Magpie board just yet people. They are far from convinced that Wests Tigers plan is the best thing for the district. And remember, the Magpies constitution as a district club is to do what is best for the district…. not just the Wests Tigers.

Do you think, or suspect Wests will oppose the white paper that Wests Tigers are proposing to put forward galahs?

 

[wtfl1981]

There is also talk of campbelltown pulling out of funding $ to WT if Balmain cannot meet their contributions.. This may tie into discussions about NSW cup 2013 and beyond.

This weeks meeting is not about the future of balmain or wests football clubs.
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[Gary_Bakerloo]

There is also talk of campbelltown pulling out of funding $ to WT if Balmain cannot meet their contributions.. This may tie into discussions about NSW cup 2013 and beyond.

Campbelltown does not place any funds into Wests Tigers anyway. Wests Ashfield has always contributed the Wests Group contributions when required.

Wests Campbelltown, as a member of the Wests Group, does have a potential liability of up to $500,000 to Wests Tigers if required, but this would only be used if Wests Ashfield was unable to contribute for whatever reason. Wests Campbelltown just contributes to the junior league.

This weeks meeting is not about the future of balmain or wests football clubs.

That's right - the two football clubs will determine their own fate.

I am guessing the meeting on Thursday will be management's (Wests Tigers) view of how the JV should operate in the future. Wests and Balmain will no doubt present their views.

In the end, either a consensus view or viable options will be taken away by the two shareholders and will need to be voted upon (Balmain and Wests Football Clubs). I would assume that Wests Campbelltown and Wests Ashfield do not need their members to vote. In addition, the three leagues clubs will have a preference and will certainly encourage their respective football clubs to vote accordingly.

If there are changes to the structure of the JV, would it require a majority or unanimous vote to be approved?

 

[Yossarian]

I think moving forward the ideal situation would be where Balmain and both Wests contribute $0 to WT which would be self sufficient. That would allow them to focus on their district competitions and junior leagues which is where (IMO anyway) their focus should be. Let WT run the NRL team and whatever feeder teams they deem necessary to their needs (I'm assuming WT branded NSW Cup and NYC). Balmain and Wests can dedicate their energies to their local areas and make their own call on whether they run a senior (quasi) rep team (most suited to Bundy Cup).