Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[Spud_Murphy]

So what was our Chairman rambling on about his chat with Politis. He has embarrassed himself and the WT. Can someone tell him to shut up and stop talking to the media

Folks wanted the chair to be more vocal/visible tho... One of the constant complaints on here when BoF was chair...

BoF was never a chair, more like a wooden stool.

 

[stevied]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

 

[BAGNF05]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

Agree totally, part of me doesn’t trust the game anymore, it feels like those glamour clubs get all the favours. Fifita another example today. Xerri to Roosters etc. I wonder how much of it is unfairness and how much of it is our own club’s mismanagement. I’d love thoughts...

 

[stevied]

Clearly both.

 

[HabboTiger]

Still sounds like there is a chance.

Wasn’t there something about an affiliate wanting 50k and would guarantee his signature.

Rose perhaps...

 

[TYGA]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

Agree totally, part of me doesn’t trust the game anymore, it feels like those glamour clubs get all the favours. Fifita another example today. Xerri to Roosters etc. I wonder how much of it is unfairness and how much of it is our own club’s mismanagement. I’d love thoughts...

You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. It’s not mis management it’s a salary cap without a draft and a league where playerd/player managers have control. Basically means players will play where they can win and also boost their brand. It’s a cycle of good and bad teams. Teams like the Tigers Pay 20% more Than market value than teams like the Roosters Who pay unders of 10% and get the top line players and juniors. To put it into perspective we offer Tedddy 1.2m p.a and he signs with the Roosters for 900k.

 

[BAGNF05]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

Agree totally, part of me doesn’t trust the game anymore, it feels like those glamour clubs get all the favours. Fifita another example today. Xerri to Roosters etc. I wonder how much of it is unfairness and how much of it is our own club’s mismanagement. I’d love thoughts...

You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. It’s not mis management it’s a salary cap without a draft and a league where playerd/player managers have control. Basically means players will play where they can win and also boost their brand. It’s a cycle of good and bad teams. Teams like the Tigers Pay 20% more Than market value than teams like the Roosters Who pay unders of 10% and get the top line players and juniors. To put it into perspective we offer Tedddy 1.2m p.a and he signs with the Roosters for 900k.

I’d love to see a draft system and a trade system while they’re at it. In the last 5 years I’ve got more entertainment out of US sports than NRL. You won’t eliminate dominant teams (Patriots) but you do give the battlers a fighting hope.

 

[Russell]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

Agree totally, part of me doesn’t trust the game anymore, it feels like those glamour clubs get all the favours. Fifita another example today. Xerri to Roosters etc. I wonder how much of it is unfairness and how much of it is our own club’s mismanagement. I’d love thoughts...

You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. It’s not mis management it’s a salary cap without a draft and a league where playerd/player managers have control. Basically means players will play where they can win and also boost their brand. It’s a cycle of good and bad teams. Teams like the Tigers Pay 20% more Than market value than teams like the Roosters Who pay unders of 10% and get the top line players and juniors. To put it into perspective we offer Tedddy 1.2m p.a and he signs with the Roosters for 900k.

Sure he did.

 

[stevied]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

Agree totally, part of me doesn’t trust the game anymore, it feels like those glamour clubs get all the favours. Fifita another example today. Xerri to Roosters etc. I wonder how much of it is unfairness and how much of it is our own club’s mismanagement. I’d love thoughts...

You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. It’s not mis management it’s a salary cap without a draft and a league where playerd/player managers have control. Basically means players will play where they can win and also boost their brand. It’s a cycle of good and bad teams. Teams like the Tigers Pay 20% more Than market value than teams like the Roosters Who pay unders of 10% and get the top line players and juniors. To put it into perspective we offer Tedddy 1.2m p.a and he signs with the Roosters for 900k.

I’ve always liked the idea of a draft. Obviously, the main benefit is that it creates an even playing field regarding opportunity to signing the best young talent i.e. the bottom club gets first pick However, there are hurdles to mount before it ever happens in the NRL. It requires big money to set it up and promote it, there’s a question about there being enough talent to spread around and, finally, would it garner enough interest from us guys? Personally, I would find it interesting because, to me, the machinations of the NFL draft are fascinating but, of course, they have the mega bucks, high profile college football system to drive it in the U.S. However, even a draft will not prevent top players from choosing the most glamorous, successful teams. The only way a weaker team will secure a top player in the NFL is by paying way overs.

 

[The_Patriot]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

Agree totally, part of me doesn’t trust the game anymore, it feels like those glamour clubs get all the favours. Fifita another example today. Xerri to Roosters etc. I wonder how much of it is unfairness and how much of it is our own club’s mismanagement. I’d love thoughts...

You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. It’s not mis management it’s a salary cap without a draft and a league where playerd/player managers have control. Basically means players will play where they can win and also boost their brand. It’s a cycle of good and bad teams. Teams like the Tigers Pay 20% more Than market value than teams like the Roosters Who pay unders of 10% and get the top line players and juniors. To put it into perspective we offer Tedddy 1.2m p.a and he signs with the Roosters for 900k.

I’ve always liked the idea of a draft. Obviously, the main benefit is that it crates an even playing field regarding opportunity to signing the best young talent i.e. the bottom club gets first pick However, there are hurdles to mount before it ever happens in the NRL. It requires big money to set it up and promote it, there’s a question about there being enough talent to spread around and, finally, would it garner enough interest from us guys? Personally, I would find it interesting because, to me, the machinations of the NFL draft are fascinating but, of course, they have the mega bucks, high profile college football system to drive it in the U.S. **However, even a draft will not prevent top players from choosing the most glamorous, successful teams. The only way a weaker team will secure a top player in the NFL is by paying way overs.**

Sorry i dont understand this bit. The whole point of a draft is that the player cant choose where he ends up. If he wants to leave his club he would enter the draft then go to whichever club selected him.

If the players had a problem with that they would think twice about leaving the club they are with. In effect it would create the loyalty we have all been missing lately.

 

[MightyMaggy]

Unfortunately, unless I missed some legal matters over the last few years, Australian Restraint Of Trade laws stop all of these great thoughts. In the AFL, their player's group have agreed with the AFL not to proceed with restraint of trade matters, so they can have their draft. As far as I know, NRL players have NOT made the same agreement with the NRL! Until the power the players and the player managers have over the whole NRL game is curtailed, there will be no change to the current system.

 

[stevied]

Ha, I've finally managed to reset my password and can join this discussion after a bit of a hiatus form the Forum. Like most people, when I heard we were in with a shot at Latrell, I was pretty damn excited, despite having some misgivings about his attitude, commitment, whatever....And just like many have stated here, the Tigers just don't seem to have the drawing power of current glamour clubs such as the Roosters, Rabbitohs and Broncos. Having said that, there are other clubs that seem to grab elite talent regularly and they are not what you'd call glamour sides. I'd include the Sharks and Eels in this category. So where does that leave the Tiges? Even Newcastle, previous year's wooden spooners, were able to sign several top class players. Mitchell probably didn't want to come to us but could we have done a better job of selling the club and closing the deal?

Agree totally, part of me doesn’t trust the game anymore, it feels like those glamour clubs get all the favours. Fifita another example today. Xerri to Roosters etc. I wonder how much of it is unfairness and how much of it is our own club’s mismanagement. I’d love thoughts...

You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. It’s not mis management it’s a salary cap without a draft and a league where playerd/player managers have control. Basically means players will play where they can win and also boost their brand. It’s a cycle of good and bad teams. Teams like the Tigers Pay 20% more Than market value than teams like the Roosters Who pay unders of 10% and get the top line players and juniors. To put it into perspective we offer Tedddy 1.2m p.a and he signs with the Roosters for 900k.

I’ve always liked the idea of a draft. Obviously, the main benefit is that it crates an even playing field regarding opportunity to signing the best young talent i.e. the bottom club gets first pick However, there are hurdles to mount before it ever happens in the NRL. It requires big money to set it up and promote it, there’s a question about there being enough talent to spread around and, finally, would it garner enough interest from us guys? Personally, I would find it interesting because, to me, the machinations of the NFL draft are fascinating but, of course, they have the mega bucks, high profile college football system to drive it in the U.S. **However, even a draft will not prevent top players from choosing the most glamorous, successful teams. The only way a weaker team will secure a top player in the NFL is by paying way overs.**

Sorry i dont understand this bit. The whole point of a draft is that the player cant choose where he ends up. If he wants to leave his club he would enter the draft then go to whichever club selected him.

If the players had a problem with that they would think twice about leaving the club they are with. In effect it would create the loyalty we have all been missing lately.

No worries Maggy. I probably wasn't clear. What I was saying is that the draft ensures an equal and fair spread of new talent based on the premise that the weakest get first crack. Of course, the draftees don't get to choose where they go.However, this is only one way of boosting the lesser lights. It is still difficult to combat the tendency of the best free agents (in the case of the NFL) to go to new, equally strong teams. In both the NFL and NRL, the cellar dwellers usually have to pay overs to secure established stars. This is the Tigers' problem and, in the case of Latrell, paying overs doesn't seem to work either.

 

[stevied]

Unfortunately, unless I missed some legal matters over the last few years, Australian Restraint Of Trade laws stop all of these great thoughts. In the AFL, their player's group have agreed with the AFL not to proceed with restraint of trade matters, so they can have their draft. As far as I know, NRL players have NOT made the same agreement with the NRL! Until the power the players and the player managers have over the whole NRL game is curtailed, there will be no change to the current system.

Well, maybe moves need to be made to try and remove these restraints. It should, at least, be investigated because the game is stagnating in my view. Actually, I'll extend on that.....the game has a myriad of problems at the moment, one of them being, the unfair 'playing field' that favours the strong.

 

[new smoking gun]

NRL is about the only professional sport I can think of where players have so much sway in their future and where they want to play. If this was NBA or NFL latrel would of been traded already without all this fuss. I’d gladly welcome a new trade format for clubs. At the moment it’s a player dominated contract situation

Arrow,matterson,latrell,JAC all the speculation could be done with a lot quicker if clubs had trade options.

 

[new smoking gun]

Clubs need to treat players like assets. They pay them, invest the time and money in development yet for the most part end up losing out on that investment.

Latrell might be the best case of this. Been with them since he was 15, developed into an origin and test star and will effectively have to pay to make him leave to a club for no restitution for their time money and development. If they had the option to trade him they could get adequate compensation. If there was a draft option as well it would be even better for clubs in these situations too

 

[stevied]

Clubs need to treat players like assets. They pay them, invest the time and money in development yet for the most part end up losing out on that investment.

Latrell might be the best case of this. Been with them since he was 15, developed into an origin and test star and will effectively have to pay to make him leave to a club for no restitution for their time money and development. If they had the option to trade him they could get adequate compensation. If there was a draft option as well it would be even better for clubs in these situations too

Exactly. The players and managers, in particular, are calling the shots and often holding their employers to ransom. There are many areas that seriously need to be addressed in the game and I don't think the current administration really rate us fans' ability to identify all the game's failings or their incompetency.

I used to think that the U.S. sports were a little ruthless with the way they traded players from one place to another, often without much warning, but now I realize that its necessary for the professionalism of the game. The players are very fortunate to earn the bucks they do and for that reason have to accept being treated as commodities. There is a lot more money in American sport but the principle holds true and we should follow their lead if we want the game to grow.

 

[Harvey]

Clubs need to treat players like assets. They pay them, invest the time and money in development yet for the most part end up losing out on that investment.

Latrell might be the best case of this. Been with them since he was 15, developed into an origin and test star and will effectively have to pay to make him leave to a club for no restitution for their time money and development. If they had the option to trade him they could get adequate compensation. If there was a draft option as well it would be even better for clubs in these situations too

My heart bleeds for the roosters. Imagine investing massive resources into developing juniors, only to have them stolen by wealthier clubs.

🎻 That’s the worlds smallest violin playing just for them.

 

[tigerbalm]

Clubs need to treat players like assets. They pay them, invest the time and money in development yet for the most part end up losing out on that investment.

Latrell might be the best case of this. Been with them since he was 15, developed into an origin and test star and will effectively have to pay to make him leave to a club for no restitution for their time money and development. If they had the option to trade him they could get adequate compensation. If there was a draft option as well it would be even better for clubs in these situations too

Not saying he was the reason but you could argue he was an important factor in back to back premierships. Pretty good return on investment if you ask me.

Either way, you will get no pity for roosters here mate.

 

[Russell]

Totally against the draft myself - think it stinks.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

Do they really develop them? They grab kids who are local stars from everywhere, drag them to Sydney in their mid teens which is far from ideal and they effectively warehouse them paying maybe some school fees and some minor expenses
A few make it and they say they "developed" them, I don't agree