Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Tigerboy]

Kenty, who almost always has no idea, just ripped @pawsandclaws1 to legit shreds

 

[avocadoontoast]

Kenty, who almost always has no idea, just ripped @pawsandclaws1 to legit shreds

You know you just agreed with someone who you concede has "almost always no idea"

 

[Telltails]

All coaches are struggling with defensive structures bar the two clubs laden with the best attack in the competition. Even the great Wayne Bennett had no answer once his key players are not on the park - losing 50 nil is not the sign of a well coached side - it is the sign of a side who can't compete with the opposition.

 

[851]

Think this is worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/fwL3Pl3JjLs

Just listening to that. Agree completely.

Problem is I’m not confident he’s getting the say he should around player signings. Probably due to the mess Ivan created.

Yep, can't stand Kent but he's got this right. The irony is yesterday they were playing to celebrate the career of one of the toughest players you'd ever see and they showed none of the guts he showed week in and week out. In my opinion they are 5 imported players away from winning games on a regular basis and I can't see where they are going to come from.

Whilst I agree the players are not superstars, Madge can't attract the players we need, he has a really bad reputation, and that is a huge hurdle that we can't overcome, I still say sack him

 

[TopTiger]

I would at the very least let Madge see out the season and see how the team is travelling by the end of the season. The Panthers currently are undefeated at the top of the table yet only won 2 out of their first 10 games in 2019. Whilst the Tigers don't have the number of juniors at our disposal compared to the Panthers there are still some talented youngsters coming through the ranks.

What is needed is the purchasing of someone like Dale Finucane to bolster the pack along with the astute buying of several outside backs. The Tigers need footballers that compete like Finucane even if we have to pay above his market value given it is better to spend the money on someone you know will perform for every minute he is on the field. Sacking Maguire now will not solve our problem of attracting quality players but only reinforce the mantra that the Tigers are a basket case that changes coaches every couple of seasons.

 

[851]

I would at the very least let Madge see out the season and see how the team is travelling by the end of the season. The Panthers currently are undefeated at the top of the table yet only won 2 out of their first 10 games in 2019. Whilst the Tigers don't have the number of juniors at our disposal compared to the Panthers there are still some talented youngsters coming through the ranks.

What is needed is the purchasing of someone like Dale Finucane to bolster the pack along with the astute buying of several outside backs. The Tigers need footballers that compete like Finucane even if we have to pay above his market value given it is better to spend the money on someone you know will perform for every minute he is on the field. Sacking Maguire now will not solve our problem of attracting quality players but only reinforce the mantra that the Tigers are a basket case that changes coaches every couple of seasons.

Don't worry about Finucane until you can get a half to run the show, Hastings maybe the answer, maybe not, but Brooks sure as hell isn't the answer.

 

[Telltails]

This club has been accused for years of having a soft underbelly long before Maguire - and if he gets sacked it will continue long after he is gone. The players who have ambition and a will to win will keep doing what the ones like them have done before - go play beside players who go the extra mile to win. And we will continue to attract those with the mental attitude of entitlement who think they are better than what they are- the ones that get coaches sacked.
Laurie Douehi Stefano consistent performers brought to the club by current coach - but dismissed because they are not marquee. Our marquee players brought to the club under the last coach, an unmitigated disaster yet some still want to speak in glowing terms of the imposter.
If you want real change you have to back the people leading the charge otherwise you give into those who are comfortable with the way it is.

 

[jrtiger]

I would at the very least let Madge see out the season and see how the team is travelling by the end of the season. The Panthers currently are undefeated at the top of the table yet only won 2 out of their first 10 games in 2019. Whilst the Tigers don't have the number of juniors at our disposal compared to the Panthers there are still some talented youngsters coming through the ranks.

What is needed is the purchasing of someone like Dale Finucane to bolster the pack along with the astute buying of several outside backs. The Tigers need footballers that compete like Finucane even if we have to pay above his market value given it is better to spend the money on someone you know will perform for every minute he is on the field. Sacking Maguire now will not solve our problem of attracting quality players but only reinforce the mantra that the Tigers are a basket case that changes coaches every couple of seasons.

Cleary bit the bullet and blooded a heap of youngsters mid season and got them ready for first grade, cut a few senior players that weren't up to standard and backed Cleary and moved his senior playmaker on. We can certainly do the same, but we don't have the same cattle as Penrith in my opinion. I don't think there's an equivalent to a Stephen Crichton (Kei), Liam Martin (Blore), Spencer Leniu (Simpkins) or even a Matt Burton (Madden) in our systems, those players I've got in brackets are probably the closest comparisons I can draw.

 

[Needaname]

My two cents
Madge won’t get the teams in the semis , next year either and I think his limitations as a head coach has truly been exposed. And I don’t think he is capable of landing big fish that the young guys need to develop (bulldogs seemingly recruiting much better and apparently in box seat to get Brandon smith and they will be ahead of tigers next year )

In saying that I would keep him to complete the job on junior pathways and regenerating the squad . I would sack him next year to have a new coach to try entice some big names.

I also feel people don’t seem to understand how the NRL has screwed the non performing clubs with this ridiculous 30 man squad idea . Madge is limited on who he can actually bring in, as can only use players in top 30 and if they are not performing in reggies , he can’t do squat .
If we had the old 2nd tier salary cap and main salary cap . Clubs would have more depth and have ability to bring any young person having a stand out year to see if worth giving a nrl contract

Well from round 10 clubs should be able to call up players from their train and trial and development squad.
That’s going to be extremely important for us . That rule this year.

 

[hank37w]

Think this is worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/fwL3Pl3JjLs

Haven't always been the biggest fan of Paul Kent but gee it's hard to disagree with anything that was said there.

It hurts but it's true.

I don't think it hurts at all - it's common knowledge for anyone with a football brain who watches the WT play - this needs to be played to the players before every game.

Yeah, but if you played it before the game, some of these players are so fragile that they probably wouldn't come out of the sheds.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

There's a coach in England his name is Marcelo Bielsa and he's the coach of Leeds united. He is infamous for being notoriously hard on his players with respect to being the fittest and with dietary requirements basically no nonsense.
He came to Leeds united when they were mid table in the 2nd division and thats all the players were seemingly capable of. But the club the board the players everyone had to buy into his philosophy 100% and if they didnt they were sold or sent out on loan or never to be seen again.
The moral of this story is within 3 seasons Leeds are now mid table in the premier league beating big teams like spurs ect teams they shouldnt be able to beat but they do because they are fitter stronger run all day.
I was in a camp which i thought maybe madge should move on but then i thought back to this, our players dont want it they arent hungry they dont want to be fitter than everyone else they arent a team of stars but they could be a team work as a unit but their mentality isnt up to it. Theres a heap of guys that just need to go, i hope Hastings comes in next year and rips it up and then guys like Brooks, Mbye BJ and the many others might just have a peak in the mirror at themselves.
I realise im talking about a different sport in a different country but the general principals are the same work hard and work together and you can achieve things you arent necessarily capable of.

 

[hobbo1]

There's a coach in England his name is Marcelo Bielsa and he's the coach of Leeds united. He is infamous for being notoriously hard on his players with respect to being the fittest and with dietary requirements basically no nonsense.
He came to Leeds united when they were mid table in the 2nd division and thats all the players were seemingly capable of. But the club the board the players everyone had to buy into his philosophy 100% and if they didnt they were sold or sent out on loan or never to be seen again.
The moral of this story is within 3 seasons Leeds are now mid table in the premier league beating big teams like spurs ect teams they shouldnt be able to beat but they do because they are fitter stronger run all day.
I was in a camp which i thought maybe madge should move on but then i thought back to this, our players dont want it they arent hungry they dont want to be fitter than everyone else they arent a team of stars but they could be a team work as a unit but their mentality isnt up to it. Theres a heap of guys that just need to go, i hope Hastings comes in next year and rips it up and then guys like Brooks, Mbye BJ and the many others might just have a peak in the mirror at themselves.
I realise im talking about a different sport in a different country but the general principals are the same work hard and work together and you can achieve things you arent necessarily capable of.

Although this is true ..Leeds have beat spurs once and spurs are a rabble at the moment with them just sacking there manager .

 

[yeahcaz]

There's a coach in England his name is Marcelo Bielsa and he's the coach of Leeds united. He is infamous for being notoriously hard on his players with respect to being the fittest and with dietary requirements basically no nonsense.
He came to Leeds united when they were mid table in the 2nd division and thats all the players were seemingly capable of. But the club the board the players everyone had to buy into his philosophy 100% and if they didnt they were sold or sent out on loan or never to be seen again.
The moral of this story is within 3 seasons Leeds are now mid table in the premier league beating big teams like spurs ect teams they shouldnt be able to beat but they do because they are fitter stronger run all day.
I was in a camp which i thought maybe madge should move on but then i thought back to this, our players dont want it they arent hungry they dont want to be fitter than everyone else they arent a team of stars but they could be a team work as a unit but their mentality isnt up to it. Theres a heap of guys that just need to go, i hope Hastings comes in next year and rips it up and then guys like Brooks, Mbye BJ and the many others might just have a peak in the mirror at themselves.
I realise im talking about a different sport in a different country but the general principals are the same work hard and work together and you can achieve things you arent necessarily capable of.

Although this is true ..Leeds have beat spurs once and spurs are a rabble at the moment with them just sacking there manager .

To be fair to them, they haven’t lost to a top 6 side at home all season as well. The games against city have been unreal

 

[hobbo1]

There's a coach in England his name is Marcelo Bielsa and he's the coach of Leeds united. He is infamous for being notoriously hard on his players with respect to being the fittest and with dietary requirements basically no nonsense.
He came to Leeds united when they were mid table in the 2nd division and thats all the players were seemingly capable of. But the club the board the players everyone had to buy into his philosophy 100% and if they didnt they were sold or sent out on loan or never to be seen again.
The moral of this story is within 3 seasons Leeds are now mid table in the premier league beating big teams like spurs ect teams they shouldnt be able to beat but they do because they are fitter stronger run all day.
I was in a camp which i thought maybe madge should move on but then i thought back to this, our players dont want it they arent hungry they dont want to be fitter than everyone else they arent a team of stars but they could be a team work as a unit but their mentality isnt up to it. Theres a heap of guys that just need to go, i hope Hastings comes in next year and rips it up and then guys like Brooks, Mbye BJ and the many others might just have a peak in the mirror at themselves.
I realise im talking about a different sport in a different country but the general principals are the same work hard and work together and you can achieve things you arent necessarily capable of.

Although this is true ..Leeds have beat spurs once and spurs are a rabble at the moment with them just sacking there manager .


To be fair to them, they haven’t lost to a top 6 side at home all season as well. The games against city have been unreal

That’s true but the entire EPL is a mess at the moment with covid etc

 

[Tiger_heart]

I still don't get too how we are seemingly unable to play any different style, even though we bring in new players. Surely (without bringing in the definition of madness) by now you'd be trying something different, unless it has been so subtle that I've missed it?? Or we have players that are *uncoachable* (..) - there is this possibility, I suppose..

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Another Madge thread..

 

[WT2K]

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/32172/madge-maguire-mega-thread/2097

 

[Needaname]

I still don't get too how we are seemingly unable to play any different style, even though we bring in new players. Surely (without bringing in the definition of madness) by now you'd be trying something different, unless it has been so subtle that I've missed it?? Or we have players that are *uncoachable* (..) - there is this possibility, I suppose..

I think everyone new to the club is trying to change the way the tigers play. We need to flush the flamboyant tigers down the drain and bring in a grit to our performances.
It’s no surprise that the last time we were able to play that way was when we had Cleary and a squad of 30 with only 1 player yet to play first grade.
I’d say it’s about 20 to 10 this year. And it’s showing through lack of experience.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

There's a coach in England his name is Marcelo Bielsa and he's the coach of Leeds united. He is infamous for being notoriously hard on his players with respect to being the fittest and with dietary requirements basically no nonsense.
He came to Leeds united when they were mid table in the 2nd division and thats all the players were seemingly capable of. But the club the board the players everyone had to buy into his philosophy 100% and if they didnt they were sold or sent out on loan or never to be seen again.
The moral of this story is within 3 seasons Leeds are now mid table in the premier league beating big teams like spurs ect teams they shouldnt be able to beat but they do because they are fitter stronger run all day.
I was in a camp which i thought maybe madge should move on but then i thought back to this, our players dont want it they arent hungry they dont want to be fitter than everyone else they arent a team of stars but they could be a team work as a unit but their mentality isnt up to it. Theres a heap of guys that just need to go, i hope Hastings comes in next year and rips it up and then guys like Brooks, Mbye BJ and the many others might just have a peak in the mirror at themselves.
I realise im talking about a different sport in a different country but the general principals are the same work hard and work together and you can achieve things you arent necessarily capable of.

Although this is true ..Leeds have beat spurs once and spurs are a rabble at the moment with them just sacking there manager .

I used Spurs as an example a team with all to play for still in contention for the Champions league and yet they got out run out enthused Leeds had more desire with what 10th,9th place the only motivation. Spurs should beat leeds everyday of the week and twice on Sundays with their players. It wasnt so much a post about Leeds as it was a post about the players buying into the coaches ethos with nothing other than 100% something which our boys talk about but rarely if ever show. Madge isnt the problem Kent summed it up when he said the club has a soft underbelly, and i nearly never agree with Kent but its true.
Perhaps like yeahcaz said i should have used the game against City as an example Leeds beat the would be Champions with 10 men for 50 odd + minutes.

 

[The_Patriot]

I almost always agree with Paul Kent, or at the very least respect his point of view.

One of the few without a real agenda.