Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[BAGNF05]

Think this is worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/fwL3Pl3JjLs

Just listening to that. Agree completely.

Problem is I’m not confident he’s getting the say he should around player signings. Probably due to the mess Ivan created.

The Leilua brothers and James roberts. That’s what we give Madge to work with when he needs mentally tough. Let that sink in.

 

[hobbo1]

Think this is worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/fwL3Pl3JjLs

Problem is our rookie players ain’t quite up to first grade standards and our senior players like Tamou , Nofo, Brooks , BJ , Mbye , Roberts etc are crap.

We have no leadership .

Then we have to many mediocre players who are just place holders .

 

[Madge]

We need to focus on buying effort players. We have enough talent coming through the grades. The loss of Eisenhuth, Taylor, Momirovski and co can't be underestimated. The last couple of seasons we have gambled with high risk signings with the Leilua brothers, Roberts and the success rate has not been great.

 

[coivtny]

Think this is worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/fwL3Pl3JjLs

Just listening to that. Agree completely.

Problem is I’m not confident he’s getting the say he should around player signings. Probably due to the mess Ivan created.

Yep, can't stand Kent but he's got this right. The irony is yesterday they were playing to celebrate the career of one of the toughest players you'd ever see and they showed none of the guts he showed week in and week out. In my opinion they are 5 imported players away from winning games on a regular basis and I can't see where they are going to come from.

 

[Needaname]

Buy a house off the plan and try to move in after the slab is poured.
But wait there's no walls! Sack the builder!
Ok new builder the walls are up lets move in, hang on no roof! Sack the builder!
Etc Etc ad-nauseum.
This is Wests Tigers constructions fan club to a T.

I get all that mate, but what I don't get is why our defence is soo bad when our coach focuses so much on defence?

Defence is about effort, commitment, not talent. If the effort and commitment aren't there, surely that's on the coach?

Not really mate,a coach can only coach so much,particularly to a team with young inexperienced players,you know the saying "learn by your mistakes "and our young blokes make plenty as well as the experienced players...once Madge gets to unify them into his way of playing the wins will come...Let me tell you BJ,Tamou,Mbye,Joe O have all come from different systems and have to adjust to Madges system while he TEACHES the young guys the NRL structures needed to be competative..
I will say this once again...to me Madge is the coach,no different from Potter,JT,SHEENS or Cleary.they all have had my support....some on here expect miraculous wins yesterday when this roster is just starting to gel and work with each other...if you have any idea of the game you should know that you will cop a few floggings along the way...I have been there done that and thats why I support Madge until his contract is up....

Madge has had 2 and half years to teach Mbye, he bought the players you mentioned, if he can't teach them, thats on him, more reason to sack him.
He really has no power if the board say we are terminating you, he has signed or re-signed 28 of 30 players, he has taken a side who finished 9th before he arrived, on a constant slide down the ladder to now sit 15th.
There is no signs of improvement, the players clearly aren't playing for him conceding over 30 points a week, no player of any stature will come and play for him, there is no reason at all to keep him on, sack him now before the hole gets any bigger

He has introduced several new players,Mbye is excess baggage from Cleary...You should know that these young guys need NRL experience...Brooks,golden haired boy who is a junior,Noffa golden haired junior,where are they performing to their contracts...Madge has stuck with Luke ,but it appears Luke isnt up to scratch.you and the Madge haters had better understand the game and what it takes to compete at this level week to week,and yet we here constantly how great Noffa is at running the ball back while conceding 3/4 tries through poor DEFENSE...
please I cant stand the crap anymore....

I have supported Wests/Wests Tigers for 50 years, I know when a team is being coached and are not up to it, and when a team is not being coached properly, Madge is the latter and isn't going to change

Not meaning to have a go at you, but in the last 50 years of support you've seen 1 premiership winning coach. So relying on experience of watching the last 50 years doesn't provide a great guide as to what works and what doesn't. And our only premiership winning coach had a bad year in 2004, with a particularly bad period in which we conceded 50 points two weeks in a row. Lots of fans wanted him sacked then and it was obvious that his coaching wasn't working. Then we won the next year. Not saying we're close to winning a comp, but form can change from year to year and I don't agree that as fans we're in a position to really accurately assert whether or not a coach is good or not. If they're making criminally bad mistakes, or saying really dumb, disruptive comments then maybe it is clear that the coach is to blame, but I don't think Madge has done either of those things.

Against all my arguments though, can anyone think of examples of coaches who struggled for three seasons before turning it around?

Brad Arthur Season 1 10th ...Season 2 12th... Season 3 14th ..Season 4 Finals out Week 2... Season 5 Spoon ..Season 6 Finals out Week 2 ..Season 7 Finals Out in straight sets..

Season 2 was when they got done for breaching the salary cap.

I’m pretty sure the Warriors under Kearney, Had a similar run with the finals in 2018 followed by being sacked 1.5 years later. But I’m not sure many people could argue that the Warriors aren’t better off than they would of been if they didn’t stick with Kearney and let him persevere with his plan.

 

[Merlot]

not 2 start argument,Kearny cant coach,great player tho

 

[Needaname]

not 2 start argument,Kearny cant coach,great player tho

No argument.
Tactically that may be correct. But he did transform the culture and the squad into a team capable of playing solid and consistent football.
Kearny was also the parramatta coach prior to Brad.
I’m saying there are coaches for reasons. Madge is a coach for our reason now just like kearny was needed to add some steel into the Warriors.

 

[BZN]

We cannot lurch from one crisis to the next. The Board has to act this week.


If the board do what you suggest lurching from one crisis to the next is EXACTLY what we would be doing.We need stability until the end of 2023 when Madges contract ends

But.......IF Madge is the cause of the instability, due to the fact he cant get his message across to this current mob, it seems to me we are going to have 'nothing but instability' until the end of his contract.

And I hate to say it as it may only be sheer coincidence, but to me our decline seems to have gained most momentum since Hagipantellis has come on board.

 

[Merlot]

not 2 start argument,Kearny cant coach,great player tho

No argument.
Tactically that may be correct. But he did transform the culture and the squad into a team capable of playing solid and consistent football.
Kearny was also the parramatta coach prior to Brad.
I’m saying there are coaches for reasons. Madge is a coach for our reason now just like kearny was needed to add some steel into the Warriors.

agree,stick with plan A ,Madge 2 over see the kids,who b our coach then

 

[Needaname]

not 2 start argument,Kearny cant coach,great player tho

No argument.
Tactically that may be correct. But he did transform the culture and the squad into a team capable of playing solid and consistent football.
Kearny was also the parramatta coach prior to Brad.
I’m saying there are coaches for reasons. Madge is a coach for our reason now just like kearny was needed to add some steel into the Warriors.

agree,stick with plan A ,Madge 2 over see the kids,who b our coach then

Who ever is best suited at the time.

 

[Merlot]

pick stick,was hoping Hook got the job,Brown is good on the abucus,slim pickings,n ,,u your thoughts

 

[BZN]

How's the Sharkies going since parting way with Morris..

The situation is very different with the Sharks. Morris had the Sharks to two top 8 finishes and most feel he was harshly treated. Word among Sharks' supporters here is that he was very popular with players.

Hasn't helped them much tho from the outside looking in...

Who would turn their nose at two top 8 finishes? If WTs managed that we'd be in raptures. Look where we are and some supporters are still backing Maguire. He'd be out the door quick smart at many clubs.

I'm saying sacking Morris hasn't turned the Sharks around this season at all...

True but if it is being used as a reason not to sack Maguire then the scenarios are completely different. Morris has results at the Sharks, Maguire doesn't at WTs.?‍♀️

The point is it's not going to improve the situation.

New coach, fresh ideas, new approach to speaking to and managing players can make a huge different. I hope the Board takes decisive action.

If you get a good coach. Personally I don't like Madge's tough guy approach but maybe that is what this club needs. He inherited a mess and I think the situation at the club is improving.

Shouting etc doesn't work when players stop listening.

It doesn't work anyway. It's like people believe it's effort that we are lacking. It's not effort it's poor execution.

Maguire has to go this week. New coach, fresh ideas, new player management and speaking with them to improve performance. We don't even need to win but demonstrate improvement whilst the reality is we've gone backwards. Doueihi coming out and supporting Maguire, is that view shared by other players? Do some players want to play with others?

I hope he stays for the moment but I get what you are stating.

I still think we are building a better club. Our reserve team are doing well. We have had terrible cap management and it is being unwound and it will get better over time if we stay the course.

I also see positives in relation to recruitment in other ways. Doueihi is a good example but so is Hastings even if he doesn't work out. Our halfback doesn't appear to be a top quality first grader and it's impacting us.

We also appear to be buying better forwards.

My complaint about Maguire is the team isn't performing and the ranting and raving really doesn't help. Honestly I think Bellamy is a fool in relation to how he acts. I think it's unprofessional but I think Bellamy and Madge are pretty similar. Maybe Bellamy is better at coming up with tactics but we'll never know because his teams are stacked with talented players.

If we chose the right coach, there is no reason Hartigan cannot keep the junior recruitment and development ticking along.

We cannot lurch from one crisis to the next. The Board has to act this week.


They do, and you get your wish.

You’re showing no semblance of an idea around businesses/sports teams (,or how they work) though and is why petitions are made for Pascoe to resign.

Petitions for Pascoe to resign are like throwing petrol on a fire.

If you want total and probably destructive turmoil in our club...

Having Madge sacked before the end of this year would be disruptive enough by itself....

Then sacking Pascoe added disruption....

But wait for it.......the B. Elias takeover of our club resulting in more disruption still, would bring our club to its knees...

And....... I have been thinking maybe...just maybe...this is what the Elias consortium of 'faceless characters' are attempting to do.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Madge is getting through to some of the players. More patience is required. He is close to breaking through.

 

[Merlot]

is Lee Hap the rat in the ranks with benny;

 

[jadtiger]

We cannot lurch from one crisis to the next. The Board has to act this week.


If the board do what you suggest lurching from one crisis to the next is EXACTLY what we would be doing.We need stability until the end of 2023 when Madges contract ends

But.......IF Madge is the cause of the instability, due to the fact he cant get his message across to this current mob, it seems to me we are going to have 'nothing but instability' until the end of his contract.

And I hate to say it as it may only be sheer coincidence, but to me our decline seems to have gained most momentum since Hagipantellis has come on board.

Madge is the catalyst for much needed change (more hard nosed professionalism from the players and hopefully the club).Just about every WT supporter knows its been needed for years.The cause of the instability is some players dont want to do the hard yards and are soft mentally.We need Madge to change our culture to what Balmain and the Magpies stood for,blokes who never gave up and played for each other we need the hunger back in our club/team.
I know Robbie Farah had many critics but he always tried his heart out and was fuming if we lost.We need that sort of attitude throughout the club and team.I get the impression Madge is trying to bring that back to our club.What i wouldnt give to have a young Gareth Ellis at the club we just have to hope some of young players coming through get to his level.

Mate sorry for the rant but i honestly worry if the board dont support him and cut short his term because it will be another 10 years imo of failure

 

[BZN]

David Nofoalua post-match: https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/05/09/post-match-david-nofoaluma/

Sounds like we've hit rock bottom.

Scratching of the ear and the rubbing of the lips ...
He knows he’s a huge part of the problem.

There's that body language again @hobbo1, well done .
If there was one player I would like to see playing NSW Cup it's Noffa, and we are stuck with him for another 4 years.
Hartigan and Madge only wanted to extend Noffa's contract for 3 years but Noffa wanted 4 years and got it, what a disgrace.

 

[BZN]

David Nofoalua post-match: https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/05/09/post-match-david-nofoaluma/

Sounds like we've hit rock bottom.

Scratching of the ear and the rubbing of the lips ...
He knows he’s a huge part of the problem.

Notice he never mentioned DEFENSE....he is a liability in that respect and he knows it...

An absolutely useless defender who is on the cusp of being our all time leading try scorer.
I'll be sick to see him at the top of our list replacing players that truly deserve to be there.

 

[BZN]

How's the Sharkies going since parting way with Morris..

Different situation, they were going ok until they decided to punt Morris, we on the other hand are going like a busted, I say sign Morris, he is more in touch with NRL 2021 than Madge 2014

Morris is a good bloke who has done pretty well in a relatively brief period. But he does not have a long term proven track record. He is therefore a gamble. Say we sign him next week, and in 2023 we still haven't made the 8. What then?

:100: agree.

 

[Merlot]

David Nofoalua post-match: https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/05/09/post-match-david-nofoaluma/

Sounds like we've hit rock bottom.

Scratching of the ear and the rubbing of the lips ...
He knows he’s a huge part of the problem.

Notice he never mentioned DEFENSE....he is a liability in that respect and he knows it...

An absolutely useless defender who is on the cusp of being our all time leading try scorer.
I'll be sick to see him at the top of our list replacing players that truly deserve to be there.

down vote,

 

[Viking Warrior]

Think this is worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/fwL3Pl3JjLs

Just listening to that. Agree completely.

Problem is I’m not confident he’s getting the say he should around player signings. Probably due to the mess Ivan created.

The Leilua brothers and James roberts. That’s what we give Madge to work with when he needs mentally tough. Let that sink in.

Lol he signed them?