Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[happy_tiger]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Get what you're saying Paws and as a fan it's all too overwhelming and frustrating. Why draw any further attention to the team?
This is where the club's previous and **current lazy management** are culpable for how this all plays out. Yes certain members of the playing group are compromising the situation, but this is a club management issue.
It provides further evidence of their ineptitude as it seems the players are culturally conditioned of not taking ownership, so it's another sign of dysfunction and toxicity in which the club are unable to handle it.
So who is reinforcing our supposed organisational values?
Admit I'm not a fan of his coaching, but it appears only Madge is attempting to take control of the situation while the club sits back and watches.

Admit I felt uncomfortable with and thought it was a bit unprofessional when he walked out of the sheds at half time during the Melbourne game, I believe that he owed it to the younger players to be there in support. However, I feel he's entitled to critique the players in any way he sees fit, especially when his reputation is in question.
I think what's most depressing is that the club has been for a fair while - and continues to look like - a runaway train, on every level.

IMO there's a reason why players see it normal to palm off responsibility when our own management are unwilling to get involved and sort it out.
This needs to be addressed regardless of who the coach is, as otherwise it'll just keep happening.

What makes you think that the current management are lazy?

No I specifically said it appears this way, as we've been down this path before. I can see the results of a lot of work that's been done but was only speaking on a cultural level.


Not jumping specifically on you here Lauren but all this faux outrage that Madge said "he is looking for men" is ridiculous. Madge is 1000% correct and if the players are upset about it, or if people around the players are implying there is anything wrong with that, then that is the whole problem.

Lauren, you talk of the issues at the club at a "cultural level". This club is doomed if there is a culture of fear around the words that the coach uses, especially when he is speaking the truth.

NRL would be close to the most violent and tough professional sports in the world. At the elite level is requires incredible skill and toughness to execute difficult skills, implement complex tactical plans all the while during or at the threat of great pain. Defence in particular is a mental mindset to push against natural instincts and many of the current players are simply not up to it.

They HAVE done it in games this year, demonstrating that they are capable, but lately have not had the attitude. This is EXACTLY what Madge is talking about and I'd be amazed if this is the first time the players have heard it.

Thankyou @tiger5150 and I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the team's overall attitude. You've also pinpointed why this year feels more depressing as a supporter, as it sucks to see only glimpses of a competitive side?

Yeah I don't wish to be controversial and understand the club has been doing a great job in the background - am personally excited about our junior pathways tbh - however I was simply stating that certain responsibilities lie with certain people and if anyone deserves blame for the decade long failures at the club or the poor organisational culture, it's the club.
It's ultimately up to them to maintain standards and drive our (desire for) success.
People may not like it or disagree with it but I don't see signs of an examplary club culture, which was the gist of my comments.

Just out of interest, what are exemplary club culture signs you would like to see? Serious question.

Nofa's 150 th game should never have happened ...well not taht week ...and you don't keep it quiet ......that is culture .....

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

You may well be right. I’m 40 so it won’t happen in my lifetime but my son is only 2 so hopefully he gets to see it.

I'm 48 avo and feel the same way

I just feel players whether juniors or new to the club have this instinct about how to play the game to get what they want from what has happened in the past with coaches

And although it may seem otherwise from my previous posts I am not an ingrained Madge lover

I just believe he is being played by the players because it's club culture to do so

He may not be the right bloke for the club but we need to give him some time to try and change player attitude towards the club

It sux but time is what's needed to get us right

I have 3 sons aged 25 23 and the youngest turned 12 on Sunday

The 23 said to me during the game

"Dad why did you have to be a tigers supporter you have set us up for a lifetime of pain

I think just give Madge as hard as it is a few more years to beat this player mentality

Its only my opinion too but I really believe the young players are hungry and believe in Madge and once they find their way the sky is the limit

Just hang in mate

 

[Tiger5150]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Get what you're saying Paws and as a fan it's all too overwhelming and frustrating. Why draw any further attention to the team?
This is where the club's previous and **current lazy management** are culpable for how this all plays out. Yes certain members of the playing group are compromising the situation, but this is a club management issue.
It provides further evidence of their ineptitude as it seems the players are culturally conditioned of not taking ownership, so it's another sign of dysfunction and toxicity in which the club are unable to handle it.
So who is reinforcing our supposed organisational values?
Admit I'm not a fan of his coaching, but it appears only Madge is attempting to take control of the situation while the club sits back and watches.

Admit I felt uncomfortable with and thought it was a bit unprofessional when he walked out of the sheds at half time during the Melbourne game, I believe that he owed it to the younger players to be there in support. However, I feel he's entitled to critique the players in any way he sees fit, especially when his reputation is in question.
I think what's most depressing is that the club has been for a fair while - and continues to look like - a runaway train, on every level.

IMO there's a reason why players see it normal to palm off responsibility when our own management are unwilling to get involved and sort it out.
This needs to be addressed regardless of who the coach is, as otherwise it'll just keep happening.

What makes you think that the current management are lazy?

No I specifically said it appears this way, as we've been down this path before. I can see the results of a lot of work that's been done but was only speaking on a cultural level.


Not jumping specifically on you here Lauren but all this faux outrage that Madge said "he is looking for men" is ridiculous. Madge is 1000% correct and if the players are upset about it, or if people around the players are implying there is anything wrong with that, then that is the whole problem.

Lauren, you talk of the issues at the club at a "cultural level". This club is doomed if there is a culture of fear around the words that the coach uses, especially when he is speaking the truth.

NRL would be close to the most violent and tough professional sports in the world. At the elite level is requires incredible skill and toughness to execute difficult skills, implement complex tactical plans all the while during or at the threat of great pain. Defence in particular is a mental mindset to push against natural instincts and many of the current players are simply not up to it.

They HAVE done it in games this year, demonstrating that they are capable, but lately have not had the attitude. This is EXACTLY what Madge is talking about and I'd be amazed if this is the first time the players have heard it.

Thankyou @tiger5150 and I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the team's overall attitude. You've also pinpointed why this year feels more depressing as a supporter, as it sucks to see only glimpses of a competitive side?

Yeah I don't wish to be controversial and understand the club has been doing a great job in the background - am personally excited about our junior pathways tbh - however I was simply stating that certain responsibilities lie with certain people and if anyone deserves blame for the decade long failures at the club or the poor organisational culture, it's the club.
It's ultimately up to them to maintain standards and drive our (desire for) success.
People may not like it or disagree with it but I don't see signs of an examplary club culture, which was the gist of my comments.

Just out of interest, what are exemplary club culture signs you would like to see? Serious question.

Nofa's 150 th game should never have happened ...well not taht week ...and you don't keep it quiet ......that is culture .....

I would have kept it quiet, but dropped him,,,,....hamstrings. Thats kulcha

 

[tiger05premier]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them

Really?

Sounds weird

 

[Tiger5150]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them

The thing for me is that we didnt do it against Knights, Dragons and Pamfers. Our defence looked great and was pushing up and in and choking them out. There was much talk here (myself included) about our "new" defensive system.

I can not believe that Madge has said, yeah lets go away from the system that worked. For me it HAS to be the players that are either incapable of following simple plans or dont have the guts or attitude for the tough work.....dare I say it...we need some Men?

 

[851]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them

Really?

Sounds weird

I used to just ignore my father inlaw when he whinged about souths defence letting the opposition run to them, but now I get his frustration

 

[frullens]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them


The thing for me is that we didnt do it against Knights, Dragons and Pamfers. Our defence looked great and was pushing up and in and choking them out. There was much talk here (myself included) about our "new" defensive system.

I can not believe that Madge has said, yeah lets go away from the system that worked. For me it HAS to be the players that are either incapable of following simple plans or dont have the guts or attitude for the tough work.....dare I say it...we need some Men?

I agree , judging from madges post match presser, where he said we were garbage, I can't see how that defensive effort was the game plan.

It has to be on the players.

Tamou is here to lead, but I dont see him blowing up and leading by example.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them


The thing for me is that we didnt do it against Knights, Dragons and Pamfers. Our defence looked great and was pushing up and in and choking them out. There was much talk here (myself included) about our "new" defensive system.

I can not believe that Madge has said, yeah lets go away from the system that worked. For me it HAS to be the players that are either incapable of following simple plans or dont have the guts or attitude for the tough work.....dare I say it...we need some Men?

The three sides you mentioned were very understrength which perhaps gave us false confidence.

 

[tiger_one]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable

100 % agree with this!! For too,long the players have run this club and look how thats gone !!

I would rather see the rookies having a go in first grade and get pumped by 50 rather than have this mob show up and pretend to look like they are interested and still get pumped by 50!!!

It will take time but if they give Madge the time to do it we will come out the other side in a great position

Herodotus was told by the Egyptians it took 20 years to build a pyramid with a force of 90,000. Can't but help notice the symmetry.

Strike that in the forum records - the mere mention of Herodotus in this thread has taken our innate hunger for knowledge to a new level altogether.

 

[Guest]

I agree , judging from madges post match presser, where he said we were garbage, I can’t see how that defensive effort was the game plan

They didn't all have the spontaneous thought to backpedal and slide.
It was an orchestrated, rehearsed defensive strategy that our coach must have thought would work.
That's enough reason to get rid of him.
Obviously at half time the plan was ditched but by then even Adam Reynolds had run for over 100 metres.
It was just bizarre in the extreme.

 

[Needaname]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them


The thing for me is that we didnt do it against Knights, Dragons and Pamfers. Our defence looked great and was pushing up and in and choking them out. There was much talk here (myself included) about our "new" defensive system.

I can not believe that Madge has said, yeah lets go away from the system that worked. For me it HAS to be the players that are either incapable of following simple plans or dont have the guts or attitude for the tough work.....dare I say it...we need some Men?

It was spoken about on Channel 9. The commentators mentioned they were advised that they would be trialing a hold and slid defensive style after their defence fell apart against Melbourne.
It was later confirmed in the match that that was not the case.
Now I can’t be willing to put myself through that game again. But to anyone that has viewed recently. Despite our defence being poor in the first half. Did it look like they changed their style from half time ‘ie reverted back to the tried and tested’

 

[Tiger5150]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them


The thing for me is that we didnt do it against Knights, Dragons and Pamfers. Our defence looked great and was pushing up and in and choking them out. There was much talk here (myself included) about our "new" defensive system.

I can not believe that Madge has said, yeah lets go away from the system that worked. For me it HAS to be the players that are either incapable of following simple plans or dont have the guts or attitude for the tough work.....dare I say it...we need some Men?

The three sides you mentioned were very understrength which perhaps gave us false confidence.

I’m sure that is part of it. My point being, Madge is not coaching that crap defensive structure, he is coaching the good defensive structure that worked in this games and the first time against Souffs.

They know what to do, but incapable of doing it under live fire. That is attitude

 

[Tiger5150]

I agree , judging from madges post match presser, where he said we were garbage, I can’t see how that defensive effort was the game plan

They didn't all have the spontaneous thought to backpedal and slide.
It was an orchestrated, rehearsed defensive strategy that our coach must have thought would work.
That's enough reason to get rid of him.
Obviously at half time the plan was ditched but by then even Adam Reynolds had run for over 100 metres.
It was just bizarre in the extreme.

Rubbish. You can only run up based on the man inside you

It is not how they have played all year, it’s not how they played second half. Madge said in the presser that they didn’t stick to defensive structure

 

[GCfan]

lol..I remember Bellyache say very similar about the Storms players in public after they lost 1 game..something along the lines of being a Storms player and if their not he'll go out and find them..

but he's a genius..

Winning fixes everything

 

[BAGNF05]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Get what you're saying Paws and as a fan it's all too overwhelming and frustrating. Why draw any further attention to the team?
This is where the club's previous and **current lazy management** are culpable for how this all plays out. Yes certain members of the playing group are compromising the situation, but this is a club management issue.
It provides further evidence of their ineptitude as it seems the players are culturally conditioned of not taking ownership, so it's another sign of dysfunction and toxicity in which the club are unable to handle it.
So who is reinforcing our supposed organisational values?
Admit I'm not a fan of his coaching, but it appears only Madge is attempting to take control of the situation while the club sits back and watches.

Admit I felt uncomfortable with and thought it was a bit unprofessional when he walked out of the sheds at half time during the Melbourne game, I believe that he owed it to the younger players to be there in support. However, I feel he's entitled to critique the players in any way he sees fit, especially when his reputation is in question.
I think what's most depressing is that the club has been for a fair while - and continues to look like - a runaway train, on every level.

IMO there's a reason why players see it normal to palm off responsibility when our own management are unwilling to get involved and sort it out.
This needs to be addressed regardless of who the coach is, as otherwise it'll just keep happening.

What makes you think that the current management are lazy?

No I specifically said it appears this way, as we've been down this path before. I can see the results of a lot of work that's been done but was only speaking on a cultural level.


Not jumping specifically on you here Lauren but all this faux outrage that Madge said "he is looking for men" is ridiculous. Madge is 1000% correct and if the players are upset about it, or if people around the players are implying there is anything wrong with that, then that is the whole problem.

Lauren, you talk of the issues at the club at a "cultural level". This club is doomed if there is a culture of fear around the words that the coach uses, especially when he is speaking the truth.

NRL would be close to the most violent and tough professional sports in the world. At the elite level is requires incredible skill and toughness to execute difficult skills, implement complex tactical plans all the while during or at the threat of great pain. Defence in particular is a mental mindset to push against natural instincts and many of the current players are simply not up to it.

They HAVE done it in games this year, demonstrating that they are capable, but lately have not had the attitude. This is EXACTLY what Madge is talking about and I'd be amazed if this is the first time the players have heard it.

Correct. While the world may be turning into a silly place with silly little rules, footy is still footy and it takes bravado, maybe men was not the right word but I can’t think of a better one.

 

[BAGNF05]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

We will see if he repeats what he said again. I suspect not.

He doesn’t need to repeat it, it’s out there and the point has been made and you haven’t stopped repeating it.

What point is that? That he has attempted to blame shift responsibility to the players in an attempt to save his own job?

I think his job is safe while players are performing like reserve graders and it is only right he demands better from them or they hit the road.

No coach will except the type of effort some of these blokes are putting in.

Does Maguire give the players valium in his pre-game and half time chats?

If u need your coaches words for motivation you have big issues.

 

[Merlot]

coach needs thier ears in there2 wake from a slumber,the players dont seem 2 respect/listen 2 him

 

[BAGNF05]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

We will see if he repeats what he said again. I suspect not.

He doesn’t need to repeat it, it’s out there and the point has been made and you haven’t stopped repeating it.

What point is that? That he has attempted to blame shift responsibility to the players in an attempt to save his own job?

I think his job is safe while players are performing like reserve graders and it is only right he demands better from them or they hit the road.

No coach will except the type of effort some of these blokes are putting in.

Does Maguire give the players valium in his pre-game and half time chats?

I said the exact same thing in a game day thread a few games ago, it happens way to often to be an accident or coincidence.
They start each half really poorly, I say it to my daughter all the time, another powerful motivating speech from Madge, the results are there for all to see


Seriously if we are relying on the coach to REV THEM UP to start every game, we are doomed and we have the wrong players.

Ask any player what their coach said right before a game, bet they don’t know half of it. It’s a personal thing getting yourself in the right mental place to play the game.

 

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We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace.

You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?

The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.

Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.

If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.

I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?

You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.

"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."

"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."

TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?

You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.

But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.

That is on Maguire.

So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.

It's about time the players were held accountable


They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?

Yea if they were men they'd play like men

But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach

They need to toughen up

Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach

All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us

He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week

When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.

So true

It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs

Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive

He loves this place and is giving it his all

If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP

We don't want them

We want players with Madges passion for the club

TPJ wanted big $$$

Well stuff him too

You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold

Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum

But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work

Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad

The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that

I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through

Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place

The coach cares

The players don't

The young ones love him

Give him a chance

It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman

They have shown they can do it in patches

They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards

If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape

And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club

Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself

As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster

If you have a look around you will see that

I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.

If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done

I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical

I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures

I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team

Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them


The thing for me is that we didnt do it against Knights, Dragons and Pamfers. Our defence looked great and was pushing up and in and choking them out. There was much talk here (myself included) about our "new" defensive system.

I can not believe that Madge has said, yeah lets go away from the system that worked. For me it HAS to be the players that are either incapable of following simple plans or dont have the guts or attitude for the tough work.....dare I say it...we need some Men?

It was spoken about on Channel 9. The commentators mentioned they were advised that they would be trialing a hold and slid defensive style after their defence fell apart against Melbourne.
It was later confirmed in the match that that was not the case.
Now I can’t be willing to put myself through that game again. But to anyone that has viewed recently. Despite our defence being poor in the first half. Did it look like they changed their style from half time ‘ie reverted back to the tried and tested’

Yeah I haven't watched again but in the second half we had more linespeed.

1. Because I'm sure Madge told them off

2. We had players like Blore Seyfarth Ute on. Tamou only played the first 20mins of the game

 

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Anyone who says Madge has not lost that team is kidding.

Go back and look at him talking and and the players actions and attention. There would have been more engagement if there was a rerun of MASH on a TV