Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TigerWest]

The club can sack Madge, they will not see success here until the team grows a spine. They cannot do the basics right and they fold under the slightest amount of pressure. Weak.

This club is poison. Had all sorts of coaches over the years. Even our best coach could only manage 3 finals series in 10 seasons.

Yeah but it was better than our last 10. At least we new we were in for a shot every time too. Even if we made it this year we would have been making up the numbers.

I'm under no illusion that Madge is a part of the problem. We should have taken two hookers into last night's game. Evident at the end with Offa playing the ball to no one. Constant selection of Mbye. Hasn't dropped Nofoaluma once this year.

Having said that, he's ultimately not responsible for players having poor ball security, not kicking the 10 on a line drop out or being in position to cover. Playing the ball properly, not getting bundled over the sideline, inability to stick in a tackle and poor options to shoot for a 40m field goal.

But he had Mbye to cover for the second DH position, which didn’t happen of course due to Laurie’s injury?

Agree about Nofo, he just seems to be getting worse?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Cleary is the only good coach we've had since Sheens. Potter comes second.

Cleary is a good coach but he killed us with his signings. Madge has massive flaws as a coach because the team isn't performing to it's ability. The thing is Madge hasn't stuffed us with dud recruits.

I think our junior signings have been very good but our established ones have been quite poor imo. Jennings, BJ, Tamou, Musgrove have all been bad signings. Joe O has been ok and the jury is out on Ken. Amone is terrible

 

[TrueTiger]

Our team has gotten worse each year under Madge's coaching, the NRL analysts can't actually tell what sort of game we try play, what our game plans are, because we have none.
We have an abysmal defensive structure, with some players sliding, some rushing up, there is no method to the madness.
In attack we have players running in to each other, passes going to the feet of players, over the sideline, we can have 5 sets on an opponents try line without looking like scoring.
It is not just one or two players tanking, not one player seems to know what they are supposed to be doing in both defence and attack, and that is 100% a coaching issue, or lack of coaching issue.
The players look like it is the first training run after the offseason, not 20 rounds deep in to the coaches third season in charge, there is absolutely no improvement in attack or defence, and there is absolutely no reason for Madge not to be sacked

The team led 10 nil after losing the gun Laurie...they scored points because they stuck to the gameplan that Madge gave them....they got beat because in the second half they went away from the game plan....
sack Madge all you want,but some of the players need to go before him,not sticking to the coaches plan after having a good lead isnt on Madge ...its on the immaturity and inexperience of the guys out there...

 

[avocadoontoast]

Our team has gotten worse each year under Madge's coaching, the NRL analysts can't actually tell what sort of game we try play, what our game plans are, because we have none.
We have an abysmal defensive structure, with some players sliding, some rushing up, there is no method to the madness.
In attack we have players running in to each other, passes going to the feet of players, over the sideline, we can have 5 sets on an opponents try line without looking like scoring.
It is not just one or two players tanking, not one player seems to know what they are supposed to be doing in both defence and attack, and that is 100% a coaching issue, or lack of coaching issue.
The players look like it is the first training run after the offseason, not 20 rounds deep in to the coaches third season in charge, there is absolutely no improvement in attack or defence, and there is absolutely no reason for Madge not to be sacked


The team led 10 nil after losing the gun Laurie...they scored points because they stuck to the gameplan that Madge gave them....they got beat because in the second half they went away from the game plan....
sack Madge all you want,but some of the players need to go before him,not sticking to the coaches plan after having a good lead isnt on Madge ...its on the immaturity and inexperience of the guys out there...

They were missing RTS, Lodge, AFB, Harris-Tevita, Harris and Townsend. We had all the ball in the first half and any half decent team would have put up 30 in the first half.

If sticking to the plan was scoring 10 points against a quarter strength Warriors team with the majority of the ball, he needs a new plan. Disgraceful effort from the team and another embarrassing coaching performance

 

[Joel Helmes]

Our team has gotten worse each year under Madge's coaching, the NRL analysts can't actually tell what sort of game we try play, what our game plans are, because we have none.
We have an abysmal defensive structure, with some players sliding, some rushing up, there is no method to the madness.
In attack we have players running in to each other, passes going to the feet of players, over the sideline, we can have 5 sets on an opponents try line without looking like scoring.
It is not just one or two players tanking, not one player seems to know what they are supposed to be doing in both defence and attack, and that is 100% a coaching issue, or lack of coaching issue.
The players look like it is the first training run after the offseason, not 20 rounds deep in to the coaches third season in charge, there is absolutely no improvement in attack or defence, and there is absolutely no reason for Madge not to be sacked


The team led 10 nil after losing the gun Laurie...they scored points because they stuck to the gameplan that Madge gave them....they got beat because in the second half they went away from the game plan....
sack Madge all you want,but some of the players need to go before him,not sticking to the coaches plan after having a good lead isnt on Madge ...its on the immaturity and inexperience of the guys out there...

They were missing RTS, Lodge, AFB, Harris-Tevita, Harris and Townsend. We had all the ball in the first half and any half decent team would have put up 30 in the first half.

If sticking to the plan was scoring 10 points against a quarter strength Warriors team with the majority of the ball, he needs a new plan. Disgraceful effort from the team and another embarrassing coaching performance

Spot on

 

[Tim Sheens]

Potential recruitment options looked at our by our club, have along with the rest of it's glaring faults, seen Maguire as the coach for the next two seasons and I doubt it is appealing to many, even those looking for opportunities.

We got out-coached in so many areas yesterday in a clear knock-out victory for Brown.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Avo suggested a rotting dead corpse in a casket would do better. I think it's time to wheel the casket into the dressing shed.

 

[clokan]

I'm under no illusion that Madge is a part of the problem. We should have taken two hookers into last night's game. Evident at the end with Offa playing the ball to no one.

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Sounds good in theory, but who covers fullback, when Laurie goes down

 

[Aceshigh]

Stop blaming Madge ,I don’t know about Browny outcoaching him , but our team of softies got well & truly outplayed by a more enthusiastic more committed team of made up of mostly reserve graders , I for one am happy not to make top 8 & get thumped

 

[851]

Our team has gotten worse each year under Madge's coaching, the NRL analysts can't actually tell what sort of game we try play, what our game plans are, because we have none.
We have an abysmal defensive structure, with some players sliding, some rushing up, there is no method to the madness.
In attack we have players running in to each other, passes going to the feet of players, over the sideline, we can have 5 sets on an opponents try line without looking like scoring.
It is not just one or two players tanking, not one player seems to know what they are supposed to be doing in both defence and attack, and that is 100% a coaching issue, or lack of coaching issue.
The players look like it is the first training run after the offseason, not 20 rounds deep in to the coaches third season in charge, there is absolutely no improvement in attack or defence, and there is absolutely no reason for Madge not to be sacked


The team led 10 nil after losing the gun Laurie...they scored points because they stuck to the gameplan that Madge gave them....they got beat because in the second half they went away from the game plan....
sack Madge all you want,but some of the players need to go before him,not sticking to the coaches plan after having a good lead isnt on Madge ...its on the immaturity and inexperience of the guys out there...

We scored 10 points in the first half because we had near 70% of the ball, and the warriors had a reserve grade team, they couldn't even name 21 fit players on tuesday.
There was no game plan, it was stand still and throw the ball side to side like under 8's, and just like under 8's eventually the other side gets tired and you score.
Not one player actually looked like they knew what they were doing in attack or defence, one hell of a game plan Madge has there, might work in under 10"s, but is laughable at NRL level

 

[TrueTiger]

Our team has gotten worse each year under Madge's coaching, the NRL analysts can't actually tell what sort of game we try play, what our game plans are, because we have none.
We have an abysmal defensive structure, with some players sliding, some rushing up, there is no method to the madness.
In attack we have players running in to each other, passes going to the feet of players, over the sideline, we can have 5 sets on an opponents try line without looking like scoring.
It is not just one or two players tanking, not one player seems to know what they are supposed to be doing in both defence and attack, and that is 100% a coaching issue, or lack of coaching issue.
The players look like it is the first training run after the offseason, not 20 rounds deep in to the coaches third season in charge, there is absolutely no improvement in attack or defence, and there is absolutely no reason for Madge not to be sacked


The team led 10 nil after losing the gun Laurie...they scored points because they stuck to the gameplan that Madge gave them....they got beat because in the second half they went away from the game plan....
sack Madge all you want,but some of the players need to go before him,not sticking to the coaches plan after having a good lead isnt on Madge ...its on the immaturity and inexperience of the guys out there...

We scored 10 points in the first half because we had near 70% of the ball, and the warriors had a reserve grade team, they couldn't even name 21 fit players on tuesday.
There was no game plan, it was stand still and throw the ball side to side like under 8's, and just like under 8's eventually the other side gets tired and you score.
Not one player actually looked like they knew what they were doing in attack or defence, one hell of a game plan Madge has there, might work in under 10"s, but is laughable at NRL level

Cool....

 

[Harvey]

People talk about Packer, Mbye, Reynolds and others killing our cap.

The facts are that Madge has not been able to get anything out of them. How were the going under Cleary?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I'm under no illusion that Madge is a part of the problem. We should have taken two hookers into last night's game. Evident at the end with Offa playing the ball to no one.
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Sounds good in theory, but who covers fullback, when Laurie goes down

Maguire went into the match with utility cover and used it, fair enough and his choice. Trouble is the problem of a tiring nine remained and was amplified by the opposition coach targeting Liddle by bombarding Jacob in the defensive line from the outset and him not adequately addressing it. Liddle worked his butt off in cover as well, so bears little to no blame.

I commented on Mbye's contributions at around the 30 minute mark and how he was backing up through the middle without opportunity. All good to that point, but the obvious was already noticeable and the change of role from backing up to being dummy half for the first four tackles needed to be made, then and no later.

Brooks did jump in on a number of occasions for a couple of tackles to finish the half, but he shouldn't have had to and it is detrimental . To then allow it to get to the point that there was no dummy half at all later in the match is for mine an inexcusable coaching failure.

 

[Danny Boy]

Hi all first post so go easy.
I’ll get to the point of the post. Maguire must go.
Of the last 29 games played we have won 8 – a win ratio of 27.5%. In no one’s book is that close to good enough.
We have on average 30 points scored against us each game this year. We are not in the game against the good sides.
Since Souths won the comp under Maguire in 2014 his results are not pretty: in 2015 Souths came 7th; and in 2016 and 2017, 12th. Souths are going much better since he was sacked.
With the Tigers under Maguire in 2019 we came 9th; 2020, 11th and this year who knows. It is clear we are going downhill under him.
The argument that it’s not his team does not wash. Does anyone think the signing of Roberts and Leilua as a centre pairing was going to get us anywhere? Put those signings with the other established first graders signed under Maguire – Tamou, Maumalo, Ofahengaue, Amone and Musgrove - and it’s pretty clear that whilst Maguire is coach we can only pick up rejects from other clubs who no one is bidding for. The possible exception is Luciano Leilua – but he is nothing to write home about.
I think it is clear that good players don’t wish to play under Maguire.
Also Maguire would appear to get yes men around him – the direct opposite position of Jack Gibson who said he wanted people around to question him and not yes men. Maguire is the opposite. Maguire’s choice of assistants highlights this.
This is not to say that the fault lies solely with Maguire – the Board and CEO are not up to standard.
I’ve been watching the Tigers since the 70s. This is as bad as it has been, with the possible exception of few years in the late 90s.
Maguire needs to be tapped now. Put the reserve grade coach in as interim coach. He could not be worse. Sheens then needs to be told his job is to identify the next coach. Cast the net wide, even look at the UK. Personally I’d also be looking at assistant coaches at Penrith and Melbourne. And before anyone shouts me down I’m aware that Maguire was assistant coach under Bellamy at Storm. And I wouldn’t touch Flanagan with a barge pole – for a start his son plays for another team and we all know where that got us last time.
Cheers

 

[Tim Sheens]

Hi all first post so go easy.
I’ll get to the point of the post. Maguire must go.
Of the last 29 games played we have won 8 – a win ratio of 27.5%. In no one’s book is that close to good enough.
We have on average 30 points scored against us each game this year. We are not in the game against the good sides.
Since Souths won the comp under Maguire in 2014 his results are not pretty: in 2015 Souths came 7th; and in 2016 and 2017, 12th. Souths are going much better since he was sacked.
With the Tigers under Maguire in 2019 we came 9th; 2020, 11th and this year who knows. It is clear we are going downhill under him.
The argument that it’s not his team does not wash. Does anyone think the signing of Roberts and Leilua as a centre pairing was going to get us anywhere? Put those signings with the other established first graders signed under Maguire – Tamou, Maumalo, Ofahengaue, Amone and Musgrove - and it’s pretty clear that whilst Maguire is coach we can only pick up rejects from other clubs who no one is bidding for. The possible exception is Luciano Leilua – but he is nothing to write home about.
I think it is clear that good players don’t wish to play under Maguire.
Also Maguire would appear to get yes men around him – the direct opposite position of Jack Gibson who said he wanted people around to question him and not yes men. Maguire is the opposite. Maguire’s choice of assistants highlights this.
This is not to say that the fault lies solely with Maguire – the Board and CEO are not up to standard.
I’ve been watching the Tigers since the 70s. This is as bad as it has been, with the possible exception of few years in the late 90s.
Maguire needs to be tapped now. Put the reserve grade coach in as interim coach. He could not be worse. Sheens then needs to be told his job is to identify the next coach. Cast the net wide, even look at the UK. Personally I’d also be looking at assistant coaches at Penrith and Melbourne. And before anyone shouts me down I’m aware that Maguire was assistant coach under Bellamy at Storm. And I wouldn’t touch Flanagan with a barge pole – for a start his son plays for another team and we all know where that got us last time.
Cheers

Welcome to the posting club and agree with most of it.

 

[tigertuff]

The club can sack Madge, they will not see success here until the team grows a spine. They cannot do the basics right and they fold under the slightest amount of pressure. Weak.

This club is poison. Had all sorts of coaches over the years. Even our best coach could only manage 3 finals series in 10 seasons.

Yeah but it was better than our last 10. At least we new we were in for a shot every time too. Even if we made it this year we would have been making up the numbers.

I'm under no illusion that Madge is a part of the problem. We should have taken two hookers into last night's game. Evident at the end with Offa playing the ball to no one. Constant selection of Mbye. Hasn't dropped Nofoaluma once this year.

Having said that, he's ultimately not responsible for players having poor ball security, not kicking the 10 on a line drop out or being in position to cover. Playing the ball properly, not getting bundled over the sideline, inability to stick in a tackle and poor options to shoot for a 40m field goal.

Surely its the structures and systems he implements at training that limit this stuff from happening. The same crap happens every week. No one is getting better. Same basic fundamentals are exposed every week.

 

[tigertuff]

Our team has gotten worse each year under Madge's coaching, the NRL analysts can't actually tell what sort of game we try play, what our game plans are, because we have none.
We have an abysmal defensive structure, with some players sliding, some rushing up, there is no method to the madness.
In attack we have players running in to each other, passes going to the feet of players, over the sideline, we can have 5 sets on an opponents try line without looking like scoring.
It is not just one or two players tanking, not one player seems to know what they are supposed to be doing in both defence and attack, and that is 100% a coaching issue, or lack of coaching issue.
The players look like it is the first training run after the offseason, not 20 rounds deep in to the coaches third season in charge, there is absolutely no improvement in attack or defence, and there is absolutely no reason for Madge not to be sacked


The team led 10 nil after losing the gun Laurie...they scored points because they stuck to the gameplan that Madge gave them....they got beat because in the second half they went away from the game plan....
sack Madge all you want,but some of the players need to go before him,not sticking to the coaches plan after having a good lead isnt on Madge ...its on the immaturity and inexperience of the guys out there...

We scored 10 points in the first half because we had near 70% of the ball, and the warriors had a reserve grade team, they couldn't even name 21 fit players on tuesday.
There was no game plan, it was stand still and throw the ball side to side like under 8's, and just like under 8's eventually the other side gets tired and you score.
Not one player actually looked like they knew what they were doing in attack or defence, one hell of a game plan Madge has there, might work in under 10"s, but is laughable at NRL level

The players are getting as much out of Madge as they would Humphrey B Bear (for those of us that can remember him).

 

[yeahcaz]

Lol Madge is probably stoked that the season is in suspension cause now he can keep his job longer

 

[earl]

Cleary is the only good coach we've had since Sheens. Potter comes second.

Cleary is a good coach but he killed us with his signings. Madge has massive flaws as a coach because the team isn't performing to it's ability. The thing is Madge hasn't stuffed us with dud recruits.

I think our junior signings have been very good but our established ones have been quite poor imo. Jennings, BJ, Tamou, Musgrove have all been bad signings. Joe O has been ok and the jury is out on Ken. Amone is terrible

I get it but I look at those signings and they aren't signings that will kill us for years on end. Jennings and Tamou were cheap and shortish contracts. BJ has been a dud but he is off the books pretty quickly. Musgrove has been crud but he has been injured a lot. He might come good if he can get on the field for an extended time.

My point is those signings aren't terrible signings. Under Cleary we signed Packer, Reynolds and Mbye. Those are terrible signings.

They will make mistakes. They haven't made big mistakes.

 

[oldschooltiger]

Madge is a good coach to quality players or side. But to average players or average side it has shown he struggles.
Also players like BJ, JTJ, Brooks, Tamou,Luc, Noffa, Talau to name a few haven't delievered this year.
And im a Brooks fan.