Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Demps]

Madge is a good coach to quality players or side. But to average players or average side it has shown he struggles.
Also players like BJ, JTJ, Brooks, Tamou,Luc, Noffa, Talau to name a few haven't delievered this year.
And im a Brooks fan.

What makes you think he's a good coach?

It can't be cos of the south's grand final win...
That was gift wrapped by the NRL.

Not having a dig... just have my doubts with his ability.

 

[CarltonDry]

This bloke did a cleanout and it's got worse. I'd rather JT and that's saying something ?‍♂️

Oh UM ? no , now let’s not get ahead of ourselves

Hahahaha but hey you've got to agree it's pretty bad

 

[oldschooltiger]

Madge is a good coach to quality players or side. But to average players or average side it has shown he struggles.
Also players like BJ, JTJ, Brooks, Tamou,Luc, Noffa, Talau to name a few haven't delievered this year.
And im a Brooks fan.

What makes you think he's a good coach?

It can't be cos of the south's grand final win...
That was gift wrapped by the NRL.

Not having a dig... just have my doubts with his ability.

Only going by Souths and Wigan. His ability has been shown up in the last 2 years.

 

[TYGA]

Madge is a good coach he has the runs on the board. The reality is it’s not working.

It’s time to move in a different direction at the end of the season. With Sheens around the club can now move to a younger coach if that’s the best option. I feel Madge has done a lot of good with the players and the roster.

I said that the next coach of the Tigers would reap the benefits of what Madge has done he’s taken zero short cuts and is building the team for the long haul. At this stage the players are not responding and they need a new voice.

It happens rebuilding clubs rarely stick with the same coach it’s a poisoned chalice.

 

[yeahcaz]

Madge is a good coach he has the runs on the board. The reality is it’s not working.

It’s time to move in a different direction at the end of the season. With Sheens around the club can now move to a younger coach if that’s the best option. I feel Madge has done a lot of good with the players and the roster.

I said that the next coach of the Tigers would reap the benefits of what Madge has done he’s taken zero short cuts and is building the team for the long haul. At this stage the players are not responding and they need a new voice.

It happens rebuilding clubs rarely stick with the same coach it’s a poisoned chalice.

100% agree. We’re a young rebuilding team so I feel the coach has to be of the same vein. Maguire would be better suited for a team that’s close to winning and competing and we’re not even close.

Number one choice should Madge be punted is Cameron Ciraldo. Adored at Penrith and would only leave for a first grade gig. The building of this young team can be done with a new coach, Maguire is not a necessity, especially since you’d want us to show at least some improvements as a team and really we’ve been crap all year.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Hi all first post so go easy.
I’ll get to the point of the post. Maguire must go.
Of the last 29 games played we have won 8 – a win ratio of 27.5%. In no one’s book is that close to good enough.
We have on average 30 points scored against us each game this year. We are not in the game against the good sides.
Since Souths won the comp under Maguire in 2014 his results are not pretty: in 2015 Souths came 7th; and in 2016 and 2017, 12th. Souths are going much better since he was sacked.
With the Tigers under Maguire in 2019 we came 9th; 2020, 11th and this year who knows. It is clear we are going downhill under him.
The argument that it’s not his team does not wash. Does anyone think the signing of Roberts and Leilua as a centre pairing was going to get us anywhere? Put those signings with the other established first graders signed under Maguire – Tamou, Maumalo, Ofahengaue, Amone and Musgrove - and it’s pretty clear that whilst Maguire is coach we can only pick up rejects from other clubs who no one is bidding for. The possible exception is Luciano Leilua – but he is nothing to write home about.
I think it is clear that good players don’t wish to play under Maguire.
Also Maguire would appear to get yes men around him – the direct opposite position of Jack Gibson who said he wanted people around to question him and not yes men. Maguire is the opposite. Maguire’s choice of assistants highlights this.
This is not to say that the fault lies solely with Maguire – the Board and CEO are not up to standard.
I’ve been watching the Tigers since the 70s. This is as bad as it has been, with the possible exception of few years in the late 90s.
Maguire needs to be tapped now. Put the reserve grade coach in as interim coach. He could not be worse. Sheens then needs to be told his job is to identify the next coach. Cast the net wide, even look at the UK. Personally I’d also be looking at assistant coaches at Penrith and Melbourne. And before anyone shouts me down I’m aware that Maguire was assistant coach under Bellamy at Storm. And I wouldn’t touch Flanagan with a barge pole – for a start his son plays for another team and we all know where that got us last time.
Cheers

Well said , being your first post does suggest that the obvious problems with madges coaching and the lack of ideas and results and the definite need for change made you feel the urge to say something? It’s blatantly obvious that he is not succeeding and we are going backwards, I would give Flanagan a go though, he had that Cronulla team of his humming, they were a spirited footy team when he was coaching them, the man knows Rugby League and he loves to win.. we need someone like that to improve us and change the joints culture!

 

[haberfield_tiger]

MG on triple m said heart of the problem is the 7 position. Either Brooks or madge has to go. It's not working... I think both need to go.....

 

[Spartan117]

about 4 hours ago






Madge is a good coach he has the runs on the board. The reality is it’s not working

Because we has stupid players on the field that panic and go for 2 point field goals not once but twice.

They panicked and should have continued to go through the middle as the wariors were exhausted.

Beyond stupid in that second half.

I hope Madge doesn't give up on us....

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

about 4 hours ago






Madge is a good coach he has the runs on the board. The reality is it’s not working

Because we has stupid players on the field that panic and go for 2 point field goals not once but twice.

They panicked and should have continued to go through the middle as the wariors were exhausted.

Beyond stupid in that second half.

I hope Madge doesn't give up on us....

I agree we need a young coach with fresh ideas. Cameron Ciraldo fits the bill

 

[Merlot]

about 4 hours ago






Madge is a good coach he has the runs on the board. The reality is it’s not working

Because we has stupid players on the field that panic and go for 2 point field goals not once but twice.

They panicked and should have continued to go through the middle as the wariors were exhausted.

Beyond stupid in that second half.

I hope Madge doesn't give up on us....

1st 3 points u made are very accurate,yet im still snagged on the fence on Madge,

 

[ATown]

Madge won a premiership in 2014. The game evolves a crazy amount just year to year. To put credence into a coach that won a comp 7 years ago is absolutely insane.

Madge seems like a great bloke but the truth is he’s a dinosaur. The team is going backwards. He has to go.

I’ve been a Madge fan but let’s cut the crap, we are going backwards. This situation is untenable.

We’ve signed some quality young talent and we need a quality young coach to go with it. A Ciraldo type or even give Gardiner a crack. With Sheens coming back to oversee it’s the perfect opportunity to give a young guy a crack.

Whether it’s the players, the coach or management, the reality is the players clearly aren’t responding and playing for Madge.

Sack Madge, bring in an enthusiastic young coach, make AD captain. That’s a practical way to kick off a clean out.

 

[bigsiro]

MG on triple m said heart of the problem is the 7 position. Either Brooks or madge has to go. It's not working... I think both need to go.....

I agree.

 

[bigsiro]

Madge is a good coach to quality players or side. But to average players or average side it has shown he struggles.
Also players like BJ, JTJ, Brooks, Tamou,Luc, Noffa, Talau to name a few haven't delievered this year.
And im a Brooks fan.

What makes you think he's a good coach?

It can't be cos of the south's grand final win...
That was gift wrapped by the NRL.

Not having a dig... just have my doubts with his ability.

I agree @Demps. Madge's game is forwards-oriented and with Souths he had the best individual forward in the game (at the time) with a killer pack complementing him. He also had backs like Inglis, Reynolds, Keary, along with a bunch of good link players and excellent pieces. That Bulldogs team was NEVER going to win.

I was a fan when he signed and believed that we needed someone with his steel. But I'm over him and his style. It is not working here. My feeling is, he is less proven a coach than Michael Hagan, and maybe just as relevant.

 

[Demps]

Madge is a good coach to quality players or side. But to average players or average side it has shown he struggles.
Also players like BJ, JTJ, Brooks, Tamou,Luc, Noffa, Talau to name a few haven't delievered this year.
And im a Brooks fan.

What makes you think he's a good coach?

It can't be cos of the south's grand final win...
That was gift wrapped by the NRL.

Not having a dig... just have my doubts with his ability.


I agree @Demps. Madge's game is forwards-oriented and with Souths he had the best individual forward in the game (at the time) with a killer pack complementing him. He also had backs like Inglis, Reynolds, Keary, along with a bunch of good link players and excellent pieces. That Bulldogs team was NEVER going to win.

I was a fan when he signed and believed that we needed someone with his steel. But I'm over him and his style. It is not working here. My feeling is, he is less proven a coach than Michael Hagan, and maybe just as relevant.

Cold hard facts.

No one claims Paul Green is some wizard coach after NQ won that grand final. No one was lining up to recruit him.

I've got my thoughts on Madge but it's beating a dead horse. I simply think there is something not right with the guy..

The players aren't responding to him but that's a whole other conversation because some of those guys are lucky to even have employment, in my opinion.

Another disheartening season with absolutely no accountability.

 

[TYGA]

Madge won a premiership in 2014. The game evolves a crazy amount just year to year. To put credence into a coach that won a comp 7 years ago is absolutely insane.

Madge seems like a great bloke but the truth is he’s a dinosaur. The team is going backwards. He has to go.

I’ve been a Madge fan but let’s cut the crap, we are going backwards. This situation is untenable.

We’ve signed some quality young talent and we need a quality young coach to go with it. A Ciraldo type or even give Gardiner a crack. With Sheens coming back to oversee it’s the perfect opportunity to give a young guy a crack.

Whether it’s the players, the coach or management, the reality is the players clearly aren’t responding and playing for Madge.

Sack Madge, bring in an enthusiastic young coach, make AD captain. That’s a practical way to kick off a clean out.

The difference is Madge had Souths Juniors producing the talent. Russell Crowe and Shane Richardson running operations and signing players. His coaching methods and tactics and development of players is strong. That Souths team was almost all under 25 with a. Few senior players.

The one thing thats proven is Madge has a life span and it looks like it’s up with these players.
It happened at Souths we just don’t have anywhere near the same talent level.

 

[Demps]

Madge won a premiership in 2014. The game evolves a crazy amount just year to year. To put credence into a coach that won a comp 7 years ago is absolutely insane.

Madge seems like a great bloke but the truth is he’s a dinosaur. The team is going backwards. He has to go.

I’ve been a Madge fan but let’s cut the crap, we are going backwards. This situation is untenable.

We’ve signed some quality young talent and we need a quality young coach to go with it. A Ciraldo type or even give Gardiner a crack. With Sheens coming back to oversee it’s the perfect opportunity to give a young guy a crack.

Whether it’s the players, the coach or management, the reality is the players clearly aren’t responding and playing for Madge.

Sack Madge, bring in an enthusiastic young coach, make AD captain. That’s a practical way to kick off a clean out.

The difference is Madge had Souths Juniors producing the talent. Russell Crowe and Shane Richardson running operations and signing players. His coaching methods and tactics and development of players is strong. That Souths team was almost all under 25 with a. Few senior players.

The one thing thats proven is Madge has a life span and it looks like it’s up with these players.
It happened at Souths we just don’t have anywhere near the same talent level.

*His coaching methods and tactics and development of players is strong.*

How?

 

[PascalT]

Madge is a good coach - Wests Tigers as an organisation is the problem. I am certain there is information we are not aware of - Sheens has a football brain and acumen for the right players for the club. As long as the suits allow him to rectify the Basket case we call the Wests Tigers NRL side we will be a Coaches nightmare. If I was Madge I would walk away- He deserves better than this - Good coach at a poor club
Forget finals lets rebuild from the foundations up - Start with the juniors do it well from there loyalty and pride to play for the tigers will come. No more quick fixes 10 years of quick fixes does not work. The players say fans should stick with the them - PLEASE A reserve grade Warriors had more football smarts than us - Enough is enough -

 

[bigsiro]

Madge is a good coach to quality players or side. But to average players or average side it has shown he struggles.
Also players like BJ, JTJ, Brooks, Tamou,Luc, Noffa, Talau to name a few haven't delievered this year.
And im a Brooks fan.

What makes you think he's a good coach?

It can't be cos of the south's grand final win...
That was gift wrapped by the NRL.

Not having a dig... just have my doubts with his ability.


I agree @Demps. Madge's game is forwards-oriented and with Souths he had the best individual forward in the game (at the time) with a killer pack complementing him. He also had backs like Inglis, Reynolds, Keary, along with a bunch of good link players and excellent pieces. That Bulldogs team was NEVER going to win.

I was a fan when he signed and believed that we needed someone with his steel. But I'm over him and his style. It is not working here. My feeling is, he is less proven a coach than Michael Hagan, and maybe just as relevant.

Cold hard facts.

No one claims Paul Green is some wizard coach after NQ won that grand final. No one was lining up to recruit him.

I've got my thoughts on Madge but it's beating a dead horse. I simply think there is something not right with the guy..

The players aren't responding to him but that's a whole other conversation because some of those guys are lucky to even have employment, in my opinion.

Another disheartening season with absolutely no accountability.

I was thinking about Green, but it's not quite the same. He built a strong culture, went deep in finals quite a few times, the team played good footy, he had the respect of his team and his peers. Madge is on the nose.

 

[TYGA]

Madge won a premiership in 2014. The game evolves a crazy amount just year to year. To put credence into a coach that won a comp 7 years ago is absolutely insane.

Madge seems like a great bloke but the truth is he’s a dinosaur. The team is going backwards. He has to go.

I’ve been a Madge fan but let’s cut the crap, we are going backwards. This situation is untenable.

We’ve signed some quality young talent and we need a quality young coach to go with it. A Ciraldo type or even give Gardiner a crack. With Sheens coming back to oversee it’s the perfect opportunity to give a young guy a crack.

Whether it’s the players, the coach or management, the reality is the players clearly aren’t responding and playing for Madge.

Sack Madge, bring in an enthusiastic young coach, make AD captain. That’s a practical way to kick off a clean out.

The difference is Madge had Souths Juniors producing the talent. Russell Crowe and Shane Richardson running operations and signing players. His coaching methods and tactics and development of players is strong. That Souths team was almost all under 25 with a. Few senior players.

The one thing thats proven is Madge has a life span and it looks like it’s up with these players.
It happened at Souths we just don’t have anywhere near the same talent level.

*His coaching methods and tactics and development of players is strong.*

How?

He brought through Reynolds, Keary, Burgess Boys, Walker, Korisau and made the move to put Inglis at fullback. It’s the same with us younger players are our best under him Luciano, Douihei, Laurie. Stefano, Blore etc. we just have a bad group of senior players.

You can’t knock his track record. But it’s a results based business they need to get rid of more than Madge

 

[Demps]

Madge won a premiership in 2014. The game evolves a crazy amount just year to year. To put credence into a coach that won a comp 7 years ago is absolutely insane.

Madge seems like a great bloke but the truth is he’s a dinosaur. The team is going backwards. He has to go.

I’ve been a Madge fan but let’s cut the crap, we are going backwards. This situation is untenable.

We’ve signed some quality young talent and we need a quality young coach to go with it. A Ciraldo type or even give Gardiner a crack. With Sheens coming back to oversee it’s the perfect opportunity to give a young guy a crack.

Whether it’s the players, the coach or management, the reality is the players clearly aren’t responding and playing for Madge.

Sack Madge, bring in an enthusiastic young coach, make AD captain. That’s a practical way to kick off a clean out.

The difference is Madge had Souths Juniors producing the talent. Russell Crowe and Shane Richardson running operations and signing players. His coaching methods and tactics and development of players is strong. That Souths team was almost all under 25 with a. Few senior players.

The one thing thats proven is Madge has a life span and it looks like it’s up with these players.
It happened at Souths we just don’t have anywhere near the same talent level.

*His coaching methods and tactics and development of players is strong.*

How?

He brought through Reynolds, Keary, Burgess Boys, Walker, Korisau and made the move to put Inglis at fullback. It’s the same with us younger players are our best under him Luciano, Douihei, Laurie. Stefano, Blore etc. we just have a bad group of senior players.

You can’t knock his track record. But it’s a results based business they need to get rid of more than Madge

Last paragraph I agree with fully.