Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[WT2K]

Reading that article my gut tells me Madge is gone and Pascoe is probably gone.

Gut tells me the same re Madge.

"There is a disconnect that exists at the moment and that is what has to be addressed"

Is this between Madge and Hartigan? Not on the same page re recruitment?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Reading that article my gut tells me Madge is gone and Pascoe is probably gone.

Gut tells me the same re Madge.

"There is a disconnect that exists at the moment and that is what has to be addressed"

Is this between Madge and Hartigan? Not on the same page re recruitment?

Disconnect between Maguire and playing squad? There could also be a disconnect between Maguire and Hartigan.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Cut Brooks and Nofo for starters. Oxygen thieves of the highest order.

 

[tony soprano]

Reading that article my gut tells me Madge is gone and Pascoe is probably gone.

I read bye madge, pascoe safe.

 

[WT2K]

Reading that article my gut tells me Madge is gone and Pascoe is probably gone.

Gut tells me the same re Madge.

"There is a disconnect that exists at the moment and that is what has to be addressed"

Is this between Madge and Hartigan? Not on the same page re recruitment?

Disconnect between Maguire and playing squad? There could also be a disconnect between Maguire and Hartigan.

Probably both. Guess, we'll find out soon.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Sick of hearing that Sheens is to be this silver bullet. The guy has had no involvement in the NRL since 2012. He coached HK Rovers for a 41% winning rate in the SL a few seasons ago.

Yeah he might suggest a few things but he should be staying well away from the coaching ranks. The game has long passed him by.

 

[Curaeus]

I wonder if Madge's extended deal contained any performance KPI's? If it did, I'd imagine Lee's law firm would be examining those terms very closely right now.

 

[Telltails]

Sick of hearing that Sheens is to be this silver bullet. The guy has had no involvement in the NRL since 2012. He coached HK Rovers for a 41% winning rate in the SL a few seasons ago.

Yeah he might suggest a few things but he should be staying well away from the coaching ranks. The game has long passed him by.

I agree - it's farcical to assume that moving the deck chairs around is going to resolve the lack of talent currently at FG level at the club, and suddenly make better players available to us given that from the outside looking in the reasons why quality players avoid us is still the same.

 

[tigertuff]

The coach has one job to do irrespective of the players he has at his disposal and that is to improve them. He has failed. Time to move on.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Finally, if four coaches have come and gone and Nofoaluma and Brooks are the constants through this period, why are they not held to account for their performances also. Lee's latest comments read as though Madge will be shown the door, that's three from our last four coaches who have been walked, those two players have seen those four coaches out. When will the same standards be applied to those players?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Finally, if four coaches have come and gone and Nofoaluma and Brooks are the constants through this period, why are they not held to account for their performances also. Lee's latest comments read as though Madge will be shown the door, that's three from our last four coaches who have been walked, those two players have seen those four coaches out. When will the same standards be applied to those players?

I agree with you there, I think they should be moved on for sure.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Finally, if four coaches have come and gone and Nofoaluma and Brooks are the constants through this period, why are they not held to account for their performances also. Lee's latest comments read as though Madge will be shown the door, that's three from our last four coaches who have been walked, those two players have seen those four coaches out. When will the same standards be applied to those players?

I’d say when we are in a position to move them on. I think Brooks sees one more year, one final chance for a new coach to get some output, or at the end of the 2022, he gets the tap on the shoulder. Like I have said before, I think Mbye being moved on has made it difficult to move on anyone else before 2022. As for Noffa, he has 4 years left. He might not necessarily see those 4 years out, but he’s here for at least the next couple I would think.

 

[TYGA]

Remove the entire football department being truthful. Surely they all have to go Harriman down to the assistant coaches. Pascoes time is done we won’t be able to turn the page without a new leader.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Finally, if four coaches have come and gone and Nofoaluma and Brooks are the constants through this period, why are they not held to account for their performances also. Lee's latest comments read as though Madge will be shown the door, that's three from our last four coaches who have been walked, those two players have seen those four coaches out. When will the same standards be applied to those players?

I’d say when we are in a position to move them on. I think Brooks sees one more year, one final chance for a new coach to get some output, or at the end of the 2022, he gets the tap on the shoulder. Like I have said before, I think Mbye being moved on has made it difficult to move on anyone else before 2022. As for Noffa, he has 4 years left. He might not necessarily see those 4 years out, but he’s here for at least the next couple I would think.

Why does he get one more year under a fifth coach? He hasn't performed. Potter didn't get results and didn't get another go. JT didn't get results and got sacked. Madge looks as though he'll probably get the sack. None of these guys have seen out more than three years. These two have had well more than that. Time to go.

 

[TillLindemann]

The coach has one job to do irrespective of the players he has at his disposal and that is to improve them. He has failed. Time to move on.

Those who *want* to improve are doing so. Stefano definitely improved as the season went on. Ken Maumolo did better the longer he was here. Daine Laurie was thriving. Doueihi was improving.

Converseley, those who had the attitude of bludging flogs, played like bludging flogs. That's on them. If our salary cap hadn't been so constrained, many of those bludging flogs wouldn't have been here.

Having got rid of most of the salary cap issues, we now finally have chance to start with a blank slate under a coach who has now done all the dirty work. But it looks like we are going to blow it, by a self-inflicted club crisis. Nobody would sign with us at the moment, because they don't know who the coach will be. And at least some of the players who had bought in to Madge's approach (i.e. those in paragraph 1) are no doubt now considering greener pastures.

Don't worry though, we'll get some L Plater like Morris or Ciraldo who has never achieved anything as a coach. That will definitely fix things.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Finally, if four coaches have come and gone and Nofoaluma and Brooks are the constants through this period, why are they not held to account for their performances also. Lee's latest comments read as though Madge will be shown the door, that's three from our last four coaches who have been walked, those two players have seen those four coaches out. When will the same standards be applied to those players?

I’d say when we are in a position to move them on. I think Brooks sees one more year, one final chance for a new coach to get some output, or at the end of the 2022, he gets the tap on the shoulder. Like I have said before, I think Mbye being moved on has made it difficult to move on anyone else before 2022. As for Noffa, he has 4 years left. He might not necessarily see those 4 years out, but he’s here for at least the next couple I would think.

Why does he get one more year under a fifth coach? He hasn't performed. Potter didn't get results and didn't get another go. JT didn't get results and got sacked. Madge looks as though he'll probably get the sack. None of these guys have seen out more than three years. These two have had well more than that. Time to go.

Because I don’t think the club would want to pay another half million on top of Mbye. I’m not suggesting he gets another year because he deserves one last chance. It’s because I don’t think the club are in a position to move him on. Other clubs would know this and force us into a corner where we probably wouldn’t be paying less than 500k of his contract. That on top of the 400k or so for Mbye in 2022, and that’s nearly a million dollars on players playing at other clubs. And some would still want to see Noffa moved on on top of that. I just don’t think it’s going to happen.

 

[Viking Warrior]

Madge goes Hardigan goes Pascoe goes imo, some of our most embarrassing recruitment rejections have come with these 3 guys at the helm. LHs input in the media hasn't helped us either.

 

[TillLindemann]

Madge goes Hardigan goes Pascoe goes imo, some of our most embarrassing recruitment rejections have come with these 3 guys at the helm. LHs input in the media hasn't helped us either.

Our problem was never who rejected us, it was who we accepted.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Besides, no decisions can be made on players until one is made on the coach. The potential new coach is already hamstrung with 400k less for 2022, thanks to Mbye. Would he want to cripple himself and the club even more financially?

 

[GCfan]

When will the same standards be applied to those players?

When there will be performance based player contracts, which will be never. Especially when the said player is in demand from other clubs. But I agree with your sentiment, it would lay the blame more fairly.