Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Tiger-ferret]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

 

[mike]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

That’s assuming Ciraldo wants the gig. If he has any brains he’d stay as far away from the place as he could. This Board is a basket case.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Ciraldo seems to see us the same way Bellamy saw us in 2002.

 

[Newtown]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

Maguire knows what a sacking is, Remember souths?

 

[Telltails]

The review can't be taken seriously if Maguire is the only casualitv. I would back him head shoulders to know more about what this club needs than any of the decision makers, and the current playing squad. And yet again our exit strategy for someone who deserves more respect justifies why we are on the nose with players and coaches who expect better.

 

[Geo]

Ciraldo seems to see us the same way Bellamy saw us in 2002.

Or how Voldemort saw us an NRL gig..as a stepping stone back to the Pamfers in due corse..

With all his mates at Penrith he gets along so well with..

 

[weststigerman]

Ciraldo seems to see us the same way Bellamy saw us in 2002.

Or how Voldemort saw us an NRL gig..as a stepping stone back to the Pamfers in due corse..

With all his mates at Penrith he gets along so well with..

Or we could keep the coach who actually wants to be here and remove those above Madge.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Here’s the thing about Madge though .
Rule 1-If the board think it’s inevitable that madge will be fired , than it’s imperative they do it right now . It’s as simple as that .
Rule 2-If Madge won’t take elite assistants , please refer to rule 1.

Complete As for his replacement . I think Kristian Wolfe should be the one . I think we should stay away from Penrith and Melbourne , and thier system coaches .

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Here’s the thing about Madge though .
Rule 1-If the board think it’s inevitable that madge will be fired , than it’s imperative they do it right now . It’s as simple as that .
Rule 2-If Madge won’t take elite assistants , please refer to rule 1.

Complete As for his replacement . I think Kristian Wolfe should be the one . I think we should stay away from Penrith and Melbourne , and thier system coaches .

Agreed. I’m fine either way, but they need to get the decision out of the way while we have room in the cap.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Here’s the thing about Madge though .
Rule 1-If the board think it’s inevitable that madge will be fired , than it’s imperative they do it right now . It’s as simple as that .
Rule 2-If Madge won’t take elite assistants , please refer to rule 1.

Complete As for his replacement . I think Kristian Wolfe should be the one . I think we should stay away from Penrith and Melbourne , and thier system coaches .

Agreed. I’m fine either way, but they need to get the decision out of the way while we have room in the cap.

All the worry about the media is bollocks . How could our rep get any worse ? I don’t believe that could possibly be the case , if it is than the club is truely lost .

You watch the media attention dry up once Madge is gone because Chammas isn’t feeding his vendetta . Kind of sad really .

 

[rihannafan1]

You have three season's worth of evidence to know if Maguire is the guy you want to employ. You don't need a review to determine if he keeps his job. As long as the idiots who decided to extend him only a year ago are still making the decisions, nothing will change.

It's not just Maguire who can't attract players, it's the people around and above him. They need to put their hands up and take some blame.

 

[Guest]

‘Need a complete reboot’: ‘Coach-killing’ Tigers cop all-time whack over Maguire ‘shambles’

Zac Rayson from Fox Sports
September 20th, 2021 8:39 pm

The Tigers’ embarrassing last-minute cancellation of a board meeting to decide the fate of coach Michael Maguire has been lambasted by the NRL 360 panel as ‘amateurish’ and ‘a shambles’.

In an excoriating critique of the state of the Wests club, Phil Rothfield declared ‘the club needs a complete reboot from the ball boys to the board room’, while Phil Kent argued the club was a ‘basket case’, ‘fumbling around in the dark’, and in no better position than they were five years ago.

While Michael Maguire’s role in the club’s sorry state was debated, Kent declared the club ‘is a coach killer’ responsible for ending the careers of promising managers.

THE CANCELLED MEETING
Fox League journalist James Hooper declared: “It’s a shambles. The solution could end up a pineapple. They did have a board meeting scheduled, it was going to be an emergency board meeting … but by 4pm things had shifted. The board’s decided they need more time. There was talk a statement had even been prepared that was going to be the last rites of Michael Maguire as the Wests Tigers coach, but as it sits, they’ve requested more time.”

News Corp’s league writer Phil ‘Buzz’ Rothfield said: “This shows the problem at the Wests Tigers is broader than Madge, it’s broader than senior management … Every credible journo in town said the meeting was on, it was on, for some reason they’ve decided it’s not on. That looks so amateurish.”

Rothfield argued the Chairman should have showed leadership to force through the meeting as soon as possible despite the board’s hesitancy. “It’s got to stop with the chairman,” he said. “He shows leadership, that’s what he does. He calls the directors and says ‘We’re having a meeting this afternoon. There’s a bit of urgency about it. We’ve got nervous sponsors, nervous members. Recruitment – we can’t let it get away. (Tyrone) Peachey is available now, a few other players could be snapped up. Let’s meet, let’s make a decision.’”

Hooper added: “Confusion reigns, they’re incapable of making a firm decision.”

IS MADGE TO BLAME FOR RECRUITMENT?

Hooper argued: “It’s his third season – ninth, 11th, 13th … If you look at the players he has signed, whether it’s Joe Ofahengaue, James Tamou, James Roberts, Joey Leilua, none of them have worked. They’ve all been poor recruitment and Madge has had a huge influence over that, he’s had the lion’s say.”

Asked about the club failing to sign a host of top targets under Maguire, Kent replied: “It’s not Maguire, it’s the club. The club is a basket case. It’s convenient to whack it on the coach because that way no one else is accountable. There’s no personal accountability at the club so they’ve whacked it all on Maguire. He gets out so they say: ‘We’re a fresh new club, we’ve got to move forward, we’ve got to do it all right this time’ … but the stink’s still there.”

‘A COMPLETE REBOOT’ IS NEEDED

Rothfield said: “It’s broader than Madge, the problem … Can you imagine it at the Roosters, Storm, Souths?”

He added later: “It’s not that they need a new coach, the club needs a complete reboot from the ball boys to the board room. A complete reboot. The sooner they get Tim Sheens (new head of football performance) home the better.”

Kent said: “There’s a lot of guesswork going wrong. When they get it wrong, they get a new coach. They get it wrong, they’ll get rid of this player, they over-sign that player. They make all these mistakes that the good clubs just do not make. They do that hoping they’ll get it right in one. A broken clock’s right twice a day – it’s that philosophy.

“Unfortunately, the Tigers go from one bad decision (to another.) The terrifying thing is, the reason it’s taken so long to identify the problem is that here’s no one person to blame, there’s a whole collective in there that are just not up to the job. Because they’re collectively not up to the job, you can’t just say ‘Well there’s the problem, let’s fix it. Let’s move him out and that person in.’

Kent continued: “To have the internal review driven by your head of football and your CEO (‘who are a major part of the problem’, Hooper added) … they’re not going to out themselves as part of the problem.

“They actually might not know what the problem is. They might not know that they’re the problem. They might not know what needs to be done to fix the club … There’s no one there who has an answer as to what success looks like.

“They don’t know what it looks like in the club so they keep fumbling around in the dark, bumping into walls, hoping they strike upon the right formula. It’s just not working for them … They’re no better placed now than they were five years ago as far as getting back to the top.”

The club’s top coaching target to replace Maguire – should they sack him – is Cameron Ciraldo.

Rothfield argued: “I think (Ciraldo) could fix the recruitment problem.”

But Kent hit back, declaring: “If you were Cameron Ciraldo, why would you go there? Michael Potter hasn’t coached again since coaching the Tigers, Jason Taylor hasn’t coached again since coaching the Tigers. Ivan Cleary is the one that left them so he’s now got a gig. They are coach killers – the club is a coach killer!”

WHAT’S NEXT?

Hooper said: “There’s nothing official about a board meeting tomorrow but they’re going to have to have a board meeting at some point this week. They had one organised for today. They can’t let it continue to hang in the wind, it’s no good for the club, it’s no good for Maguire. It’s completely unfair on Madge.

Kent replied: “He (Maguire) should have walked in and said ‘Give me an answer’. He should have walked in and said ‘sack me or back me’ the week after they got eliminated. He should have done it then and just forced them into an answer.”

 

[TYGA]

Here’s the thing about Madge though .
Rule 1-If the board think it’s inevitable that madge will be fired , than it’s imperative they do it right now . It’s as simple as that .
Rule 2-If Madge won’t take elite assistants , please refer to rule 1.

Complete As for his replacement . I think Kristian Wolfe should be the one . I think we should stay away from Penrith and Melbourne , and thier system coaches .

Agreed. I’m fine either way, but they need to get the decision out of the way while we have room in the cap.

All the worry about the media is bollocks . How could our rep get any worse ? I don’t believe that could possibly be the case , if it is than the club is truely lost .

You watch the media attention dry up once Madge is gone because Chammas isn’t feeding his vendetta . Kind of sad really .

The club is driving the media. We are inept in head office everyone knows it. Again they are trying to scapegoat a coach. If you can’t see it’s the board and management after a decade then nothing will get through.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This club is a joke. However, I’m prepared to call BS on the cancelled meeting. So easy for the media to report it going ahead, only for it to suddenly be cancelled. What an easy way to paint them as an even bigger joke, and manipulate the reader in the process.

 

[rihannafan1]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

 

[Tigerdave]

I think a lot of guess work going on is coming from the media

 

[TYGA]

The bad thing is everything they are saying in this case is true. Fans are being enlightened on what some of us have known for years. The coach debate which for the footy side is key is actually not important. Ownership and leadership need to change. Not sure how but it has to. Souths are a good example.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

 

[Telltails]

Here’s the thing about Madge though .
Rule 1-If the board think it’s inevitable that madge will be fired , than it’s imperative they do it right now . It’s as simple as that .
Rule 2-If Madge won’t take elite assistants , please refer to rule 1.

Complete As for his replacement . I think Kristian Wolfe should be the one . I think we should stay away from Penrith and Melbourne , and thier system coaches .

Agreed. I’m fine either way, but they need to get the decision out of the way while we have room in the cap.

All the worry about the media is bollocks . How could our rep get any worse ? I don’t believe that could possibly be the case , if it is than the club is truely lost .

You watch the media attention dry up once Madge is gone because Chammas isn’t feeding his vendetta . Kind of sad really .

The club is driving the media. We are inept in head office everyone knows it. Again they are trying to scapegoat a coach. If you can’t see it’s the board and management after a decade then nothing will get through.

Exactly.

 

[Geo]

Just wondering if paws thinks the on again off again board meeting is the Club causing a roadblock to success