Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Cultured_Bogan]

If Brooks was going to be something, it would have happened by now. There's four or five players who should immediately follow Madge out the door.

 

[cochise]

If Brooks was going to be something, it would have happened by now. There's four or five players who should immediately follow Madge out the door.

Correct

 

[avocadoontoast]

If Brooks was going to be something, it would have happened by now. There's four or five players who should immediately follow Madge out the door.

At least.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

if Douhie is fit and back to his best perhaps they do run with
Hastings and Douhie in halves
big if on doubie returning as good it is his second injury
Maybe it is moving Brooks on
Move Nofoaluma on and as well and Tamou

 

[Telltails]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

He said he could get the squad to the finals and according to a lot of people on here everyone would say that, knowing its not true to get the job.

Do you really think at the time that got him the job? You must recall the absolute fiasco that we were in at the time. The circus was in full swing again - "the on the bus" crap we bought into. As I recall Pascoe was chasing him overseas because Manly was also interested in him and he was coaching NZ. He was targeted by us because of his achievements in the game and he might have even thought that he could have achieved success here - no doubt reflecting on that now. To say he lied and that got him the job - I'm sorry but that is drawing a very long bow.

 

[Tiger5150]

Jeebus - everyone frothing at the mouth because the media hacks are doing another hatchett job on the club. Who knows where they got there info on whether there was going to be a board meeting and when. And IF there was a board meeting scheduled and IF it was postponed that would suggest to me that they are not following the media agenda and sacking Madge immediately. I would suggest that their feelers so far for a new coach hasn't thrown up a definite winner. And if no one wants to take on the role why sack Madge immediately. That just makes us look even more amatuerish. The media would have a field day on how much of a basket case we are by sacking a coach before we had anyone lined up. And the media circus would roll on at our expense while we tried to find a coach. For once i think they are doing the right thing by not making any announcement until everything is finalised.

Exactly.

IMO the current hysteria and "embarrassment" about the board is completely manufactured and ridiculous.

WT just ended a poor season. One in which we went backwards, not forwards, with arguably a stronger squad. What would the board of a well run club do in this scenario? They would conduct a review of football operations to get to the bottom of what the hell is going on and work out a way of fixing it.

That is exactly what the WT board has and is doing and that is ALL that they have said. EVERYTHING else is made up or imagined.

WT Board and management is not perfect or blameless however IMO they have put a lot of structures and systems in place that will benefit us in the years ahead. This review is good practice and is 100% needed.

Everything else about "leaks", "cancelled meetings" is just made up, hearsay or vivid imaginings.

What IS real is the performance of the team and in particular the decline of our defence from an already low point. IMO this is all Madge. I wanted to keep him 2 months ago but for me our defence has broken the deal. Having said that, we keep him unless we can get better (IMO Bennett, Ciraldo).

 

[cochise]

if Douhie is fit and back to his best perhaps they do run with
Hastings and Douhie in halves
big if on doubie returning as good it is his second injury
Maybe it is moving Brooks on
Move Nofoaluma on and as well and Tamou

AD really needed the off season to work on his game. I think he will spend a lot of next season in the centres.

 

[cochise]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

He said he could get the squad to the finals and according to a lot of people on here everyone would say that, knowing its not true to get the job.

Do you really think at the time that got him the job? You must recall the absolute fiasco that we were in at the time. The circus was in full swing again - "the on the bus" crap we bought into. As I recall Pascoe was chasing him overseas because Manly was also interested in him and he was coaching NZ. He was targeted by us because of his achievements in the game and he might have even thought that he could have achieved success here - no doubt reflecting on that now. To say he lied and that got him the job - I'm sorry but that is drawing a very long bow.

Mate it was a hyperbolic response, there have been a number of people on here that have said he only claimed he said he could work with the current roster to get the job. I was just playing off that.

In my opinion he set a goal that he failed to reach.

 

[Tiger5150]

Whether he goes or stays the one undeniable thing has been the utter incompetence displayed by the all above him. He has been treated disgracefully in the last few days and once again the club is on it's knees.

I'm curious who.leaks all this stuff all the time. Yes the media will.know there is a meeting but they shouldn't know any particulars. Roosters or Storm you wouldn't here anything about Thier meetings.

Its appalling isn't it. I believe it would have to be someone of high standing that's doing it as a lot of the info leaked your entry level staffer wouldn't have a clue about. My best guess is a board member/s, Lee or Pascoe or a combination. Which ever way you spin it it's a dreadful look on the club. It's like they're smiling at the club they represent while stabbing it in the back.

Hopefully The Pom or Tigerballs can fill us all in on who the leak is?

Seriously, what has ACTUALLY been leaked? That the board is split on Madge? Hardly a leak, the fact that they havent announced that he is safe after the review screams that from the rooftops. Someone leaked about the meeting? The meeting that never happened?

 

[Needaname]

I just don't like the madge bashing

Our club has many problems and blaming/changing the coach isn't going to fix the club.

There has to be change and accountability across the senior levels of the organisation, before the coaches role should be reviewed.

Madge has many faults - but he has positives too. And most of all he is committed and puts in for the club. If everyone in the club had his attitude we'd be in a much better position.

360 said tonight - its not madge its the club

I share your thoughts.

None of us think Madge is the sole problem,but hes the most transparent one as hes accountable directly for our results which are significantly underachieving
Problems begin at the top,and Board is ..well...poorly credentialled and needs a complete shakeup ,and whilst Pascoe has done some good things off the field,hes the CEO so hes ultimately accountable tfor results too
Think Hartigan had provided adequate talent both from within .and outside the club and Madge simply hasnt optimised it..Madge;s one dimensional coaching style is half a century outdated
players dont wanna play for him,and he needs to go..with dignity

One thing i will say, the club needs to treat madge better than it currently is during this time.

I’m glad you said that. I know it’s from the outside in however it seems as though they are almost making it as unattainable as possible for Madge to continue on.

But of course that’s going off the media perspective which all that we the public have access to.

What privately has been mentioned in terms of advising Maguire of his future and the full scale of the review to determine it.

It seems as though they’ve just said;
It’s unacceptable, take some time off and we’ll let you know prior to preseason whether you have a job to return to.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

 

[Geo]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

He said he could get the squad to the finals and according to a lot of people on here everyone would say that, knowing its not true to get the job.

The next applicant should just say I can’t do anything with this rabble..

 

[cqtiger]

Everyone knows my view on Madge, he should go. Our team has performed worse each year under him. Our defense is damn awful and our attack has no real direction.

Others blame Hartigan for the mess we are in but I think he is the only one doing the job he was hired for - get the cap back under control and keep it there.

We didn’t sign JAC, TPJ or Finucane for one simple reason - we would have had to pay WAY overs to get them here. The club has stated that we willing to pay overs for the right marquee player, none of those players are that.

 

[Tiger5150]

OK, @Pawsandclaws, I get it. Team perfomance is 100% the fault of Maguire.

I disagree. I think team perfomance is, at least, 50% a reflection of the culture, attitudes, attention to detail and accountability structures that are driven by the employer, i.e. The Club and its CEO/Chair/Board.

Cleary would be getting much more from the playing group than Maguire could ever hope to achieve.

Mate, we get it. You're busting for the news of Maguire's sacking so you can get on here and tell us all how smart you were in predicting it.

You don't need to resort to ***fantasy statements*** like your last one that is clearly an opinion that ***could never be measured or validated.***

Paws statement was measurable fantasy, but your statement that 50% of team performance is the CEO is gospel?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

if Douhie is fit and back to his best perhaps they do run with
Hastings and Douhie in halves
big if on doubie returning as good it is his second injury
Maybe it is moving Brooks on
Move Nofoaluma on and as well and Tamou

AD really needed the off season to work on his game. I think he will spend a lot of next season in the centres.

think so too and he could go pretty well in the centres

 

[avocadoontoast]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

So do you think he genuinely believed he could get the squad into the finals? He may love the club but he loves his job more. His experience of being white anted at Souths led him to surrounding himself with incompetent assistants here who were no threat to him. That was not in the best interests of the club.

 

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Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

That post has been explained, no one thinks he lied.

 

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‘Mind-blowing stupidity’: Garry Jack exposes real problem at Tigers in stunning takedown
Andrew Jackson from Fox Sports
September 21st, 2021 8:59 am

Balmain great Garry Jack has launched a stinging criticism on Wests Tigers powerbrokers, declaring the “stupidity of the people in charge” is “mind-blowing”.

The Tigers were set to decide the fate of coach Michael Maguire on Monday evening before the last-minute cancellation of a board meeting.

Now the club appears to once again be considering whether Maguire’s position is untenable or if he should be supported to finish the job he started and complete the final two years of his contract.

The club came under criticism on Fox League’s ‘NRL 360’ on Monday night for the delay and now Jack, a Balmain Tigers legend, has weighed into the discussion.

Speaking on SEN 1170 Radio on Monday night, Jack questioned the entire review process, arguing Maguire is not the only problem at the club and that CEO Justin Pascoe and head of football Adam Hartigan also need to come under added scrutiny.

“The board re-signed Michael Maguire halfway through the [2020] season and now they want to sack him... as an old Tigers player, why do they want to sack him?” he asked.

“Obviously they are trying to protect their own backsides because if anyone has to go, it is Justin Pascoe and Adam Hartigan. They’re the two in charge of recruitment and retention.

“You can’t blame the coach when you said halfway through the year: ‘He’s doing a great job you should re-sign him for another two years’. They have to take a lot of responsibility for what has happened.”

If he is let go, Maguire will be the fifth coach to exit the Tigers in the past decade alongside Tim Sheens (2012), Michael Potter (2014), Jason Taylor (2017) and Ivan Cleary (2018).

Jack described it as a “revolving door”, and while understanding that the coach can only be judged by on-field performances, he said the issues at the club go deeper.

“I do feel a bit sorry for Michael Maguire,” he said.

“He’s a defensive coach but you’ve got to rest on the performances of the team. They were the second-worst defensive team in the competition which is terrible. Seven times teams have scored 40 points or more against us.

“To finish the whole thing off we get beat 38-0 by Canterbury. There are some major problems at the club. It’s not good enough.

“You can blame the coach and the players but the same people are making the same mistakes, Pascoe has been there the last six years and Hartigan the last two. It is not getting any better. It has just got worse.”

Tigers chair Lee Hagipentalis said a fortnight ago that the club was more than capable of conducting its own review and asking the hard questions, including that of Pascoe and Hartigan.

Jack though questioned whether everyone is truly being held accountable.

“He [Pascoe] has to be [subject to review],” Jack said.

“He did the review last year, he is doing it this year and the side has gone backwards. Everyone is accountable. Coaches are accountable, players are accountable but for some reason, the CEO and recruitment guys aren’t accountable.

“Well, they have to be accountable because they’ve recruited the players that are playing and obviously it’s not working.”

The Balmain great then went on to mention a host of names that have come and gone over the past few years, including Moses Mbye, Josh Reynolds, Russell Packer, Joey Leilua, James Tamou and James Roberts.

The former three were all big-money signings of former coach Cleary, which goes to the heart of why many feel Maguire has not been given a genuine chance to turn the club around.

Maguire though had a “huge influence” over the recruitment of the other three according to Fox League’s James Hooper.

Jack conceded that Maguire should “bear a lot of responsibility” for those recruitment mistakes should that be the case but said it does not take away from the fact Pascoe’s position needs to highlighted.

“They’ve obviously got no footy smarts or nous on what’s a good player and what’s an average player,” he said.

“I don’t think Justin Pascoe has much of an idea about football full stop.

“The problem is not Maguire. The problem is the people above him who are trying to cover their own backsides by saying Maguire is the problem. They are the guys who need to be held accountable for the debacle that is the recruitment over the last six years.

“Then look at the coach. I feel sorry for Maguire. When you are a head coach you need good people around you, you need to be supported and you’re only as good as the cattle you’ve got.

“He’s got players there that are not putting in. How can they be when they get done 38-0 by Canterbury? They’ve been well and truly lapped a few times. It’s just mind-blowing, the stupidity of the people in charge there.”

Jack added that the continuing drama at the club is only making it harder to attract high-quality players, describing it as a “vicious cycle”.

“That’s where the coach has got to be smart with the players he recruits,” he added.

“Maybe someone who is on the up or someone who is injured and hasn’t reached the potential. You’ve got to make them better players.

“[Adam] Doueihi has gone ahead this year, Daine Laurie has gone ahead. That is what a good coach does, he makes good players into good first graders. They’ve been the beacon of the side so far, stars of the future.

“You hang onto them but you’ve got to bring other guys in that want to play. That’s the big. They want to play first grade, they don’t just want money. Look at the guys who go to the Storm. Christian Welch, guys like that, Jahrome Hughes... they buy them, they’re not stars but put them in that Storm side are they’re a premiership team.

“They just need to recruit better the players you bring on board. Sadly we’ve recruited terrible and I can’t see it getting better with the current administration.”

 

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Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

He said he could get the squad to the finals and according to a lot of people on here everyone would say that, knowing its not true to get the job.

The next applicant should just say I can’t do anything with this rabble..

I would have no problem with a candidate identifying problems and giving a plan to fix it, but we need to be careful as that is how we ended up with Taylor lol

 

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if Douhie is fit and back to his best perhaps they do run with
Hastings and Douhie in halves
big if on doubie returning as good it is his second injury
Maybe it is moving Brooks on
Move Nofoaluma on and as well and Tamou

AD really needed the off season to work on his game. I think he will spend a lot of next season in the centres.

think so too and he could go pretty well in the centres

He believes he is 5/8th.