Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[innsaneink]

Wests Tigers update on Coach Michael Maguire

Following the thorough annual review of club’s football operations, Wests Tigers have confirmed that Michael Maguire will remain in his position as Head Coach.

***In addition, the club has also confirmed several structural and procedural changes will take effect within the football department.*** These changes have the sole aim of ensuring the club continues to challenge itself in the way it operates in order to become a better performing organisation.

Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe said: “While we always understood this review and process would take time, it was the responsibility of the football committee to ensure all information was considered to make the right decisions for the club moving forward.

“Michael has been with the club over arguably its most challenging time with the COVID-19 pandemic, has overseen significant change both on and off the field throughout his tenure and, on behalf of all at Wests Tigers, I’d like to thank him for his effort so far.

“We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent ***success of our pathways teams***, the new Centre of Excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.

“We believe that through Michael’s vast experience and by continuing to challenge the way we operate, we will continue drive the high standards and behaviours needed to ensure we achieve our goals as a club.”

Wests Tigers players and coaching staff will return for pre-season training in November.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/09/21/wests-tigers-update-on-coach-michael-maguire/

Are these structural and procedural changes the
ones @tiger one posted yesterday?

And what's the success of the pathways?

 

[Tiger-ferret]

The club needed to come out a make a decision, now let’s support Madge. Anything about his assistants?

Yeah decision made, some agree, some don't, no changing it now. Hopefully the club lines up fully behind him now to get the job done.

I agree.
Everyone should now stand behind coach Sheens and assistant to the coach Maguire.

I will be standing behind the club moving forward. You’ve slipped that in a couple of times now. I don’t quite get your angle. I’ve read on here that Madge is on good terms with sheens and regularly speaks to him. They are both adults. They both are passionate about the Weststigers.

 

[Needaname]

@innsaneink said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1477974):
>posted yesterday

Link?

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

We offered Latrel $1.2M?

And he ran for the hills, didn’t want to be a one man band at an amateur operation.

I thought the cap was stuffed? We haven't spent to the cap while he has been here.

So the cap wasn’t stuffed because we failed to sign Latrell?

We haven't spent to the cap while he was here, we had enough to offer Latrel $1.2m. He is shifting the blame, has been doing it for months.

Good players want to win. Latrell turned down good coin because he (his manager) could see we weren’t in a salary cap position to significantly improve the roster around him. It’s just common sense mate. Feels like youre a bit blinded by friendships.

lol, never seen you say one negative thing about Madge and I am blinded.

So having $1,2 to spend is a stuffed cap, what is it we have now $1.6? Don't think an extra $400k is much if our cap was stuffed

It is when you have got about 15 players in your roster who wouldn’t get a gig at another good club. Why would I bag Madge when I have consistently said for years that management is the issue as they can’t assemble an NRL roster for any coach.

As I have told you before, more than 1 thing can be wrong at the same time and I am sorry to tell you that Madge is one of the things wrong at this club.

It is plain as day, Madge isn't the only problem, but he is a problem, he needs to go and so do others

Agree. Does anyone at all actually think Madge is a good coach for our team? I see zero evidence that he adapted at all to the biggest change in rules that the league has seen for 15 years. He rolled out the same gameplay that he has been running for a decade and we got lapped. I can’t imagine why next year will be any different. If the solution is “better assistants”, why don’t we hire one of those assistants to be our head coach?

It was shown in an earlier post, about super league players saying he is using the same plays he ran at Wigan in 2010, but he doesn't have the players to run them now, he can't adapt his coaching to suit his to his squad, just another of his weaknesses

With this squad consisting of plenty of blokes who either don't have the heart or desire to compete every game mixed with quite a few who have massively deluded opinions of their own performances (Nofo), I'm not sure how a coach could possibly adapt (or want to adapt to) to suit those sort of players? Maguire is on a hiding to nothing with the majority of this squad.

 

[Tiger Woods]

Ok so Madge is safe so who’s gonna get the chop now any players or management ?
Surely some players or management have to go
We can’t have a repeat of 2021

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Ok so Madge is safe so who’s gonna get the chop now any players or management ?
Surely some players or management have to go
We can’t have a repeat of 2021

I don’t think anyone’s gonna go. Garner might be involved in a player swap, but I think that will be the extent of it.

 

[innsaneink]

>posted yesterday

Link?

No idea where I read it or whrebin here it is.... F
@tiger_one

 

[innsaneink]

Forums screws can't find anything even. Someone's recent posts

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Ok so Madge is safe so who’s gonna get the chop now any players or management ?
Surely some players or management have to go
We can’t have a repeat of 2021

Start with all the coaching assistants, every single one of them is a waste of space and funds. Except Dwyer.
Nofo and Brooks next to go, along with any other player who can't handle tough love. Pascoe and Lee as well would be beneficial, they just reek of unprofessionalism from the very top of our organisation. Hartigan I don't know whether he is doing a good job or bad job TBH.
There's a bit of deadwood culled there for starters. Onwards and upwards.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Make room for the wooden spoon in '22

What a joke...

Looking at our roster for next year we were gonna be massively in the running for it regardless of who the coach was going to be. 2 of our best in AD and Daine will be coming off significant injuries.

 

[BAGNF05]

My wife and I each have a premium membership and will keep them. We support the Wests Tigers and would never put any coach, player or other individual above the club (even Robbie!). We have stuck solid through thick and thin and believe that's what members and fans do.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back for this but we will always support whoever the club appoints. so the outcome of the review has had no impact on our support. I'm glad to see Madge continue with the passion and belief that he wears on his sleeve.

Here's to better times ahead!


Enjoy your wooden spoon next season to eat your soup with, because that’s where we are heading!

He didn't deserve that response.


Obviously not directed especially at him but the general Madge lovers with their massive blinkers on! Can’t stand the ignorance of some people!

Do they really even watch the games, as I said previously I have supported the club through numerous wooden spoons and this is the worst we have looked by a mile!

38-0 to the wooden spooners!

Do you want a medal, or a chest to pin it on? Big whoop, you followed to Maggies when they sucked. I followed Balmain from the early 90's into Wests Tigers. Not much to cheer about there either.

I think anyone who has followed Wests Tigers since it's inception understands what disappointment is. Some people are happy to stick it out through thick and thin. Would have thought an old Magpie or Balmain fan would understand that. I mean after all, we're all still here...?

I’ve followed them since before I can remember , through thick and thin, but the inept performances this year are obviously the result of a team that is poorly coached… defence and areas that under 7s organise better, players not improving and watching as someone that wears their heart on their sleeve with the results and it is so obvious that a new coach is needed . McGuire looks like he is wrecked m he has no ideas and to continue to accept that as an organisation is ridiculous. Pathetic and unacceptable.

He was never going to be successful with a crap roster (compared to successful clubs) and all his marquee players having thrown their toys out of the cot despite copping more money than the prime minister. Today is a fresh start, give Sheens and Madge a chance.

 

[Guest]

The club needed to come out a make a decision, now let’s support Madge. Anything about his assistants?

Yeah decision made, some agree, some don't, no changing it now. Hopefully the club lines up fully behind him now to get the job done.

I agree.
Everyone should now stand behind coach Sheens and assistant to the coach Maguire.

I will be standing behind the club moving forward. You’ve slipped that in a couple of times now. I don’t quite get your angle. I’ve read on here that Madge is on good terms with sheens and regularly speaks to him. They are both adults. They both are passionate about the Weststigers.

No angle.
Sheens is the head coach and Maguire is now his second banana.
Onwards and upwards.

 

[TigerJunior4]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

Why was the cancelled board meeting embarrassing?

I find it embarrassing because it was a knee-jerk reaction to media reports and another back-flip by the club. It makes the board look spineless and indecisive because they can’t make a decision and allow that decision to be scrutinised. No matter what field you’re in any decision will likely be criticised but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be decisive. It just means that you should have the rationale and evidence to augment any decisions/stance. This seems lost on the board.

Madge presented to the Football committee yesterday and the board decided to think on it over night, it doesn't mean there was a backflip.

I felt the board lost their nerve after criticism from the media. I get the board needed to consider Madge’s response but I can’t see how Madge’s response would have differed that greatly to the commentary/feedback he gave during the review process.

 

[Snake]

The board and club have a fail safe .. Tim Sheens moves straight in if there are problems next season !

Tim Sheens would have zero hope of being able to coach a current NRL side.
People seem to forget his record after leaving here … as well as his last year at the Tigers.

And Maguire has after three seasons of failure and a group of players with there actions want nothing to do with him !

 

[BAGNF05]

The board and club have a fail safe .. Tim Sheens moves straight in if there are problems next season !

Tim Sheens would have zero hope of being able to coach a current NRL side.
People seem to forget his record after leaving here … as well as his last year at the Tigers.

And Maguire has after three seasons of failure and a group of players with there actions want nothing to do with him !

Piss the players off then. Not trying is an insult to you and I, as well as Madge.

 

[Danny Boy]

Disappointed and disillusioned. It appears that we do not have clear thinking at any level of the club. The Board should never have extended Maguire’s contract for two years given his record at the time. The Board dug a hole for itself when it extended him. Now understandably the Board does not want to pay out the reported $700k to cancel his contract with no other coach signed and to admit its huge error in having extended his contract.
I presume we will get the spoon next year, or close to it. I have no faith in Maguire, or this Board to turn things around.
Hopefully someone will take hold of this club and steer it in the right direction. I think that might be years away though given the mediocrity we currently have at all levels at the club.
I say go the Tigers but it is getting harder.

 

[mike]

The club needed to come out a make a decision, now let’s support Madge. Anything about his assistants?

Yeah decision made, some agree, some don't, no changing it now. Hopefully the club lines up fully behind him now to get the job done.

I agree.
Everyone should now stand behind coach Sheens and assistant to the coach Maguire.

I will be standing behind the club moving forward. You’ve slipped that in a couple of times now. I don’t quite get your angle. I’ve read on here that Madge is on good terms with sheens and regularly speaks to him. They are both adults. They both are passionate about the Weststigers.

No angle.
Sheens is the head coach and Maguire is now his second banana.
Onwards and upwards.

Sheens won’t be coaching any team.

 

[Snake]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

Why was the cancelled board meeting embarrassing?

I find it embarrassing because it was a knee-jerk reaction to media reports and another back-flip by the club. It makes the board look spineless and indecisive because they can’t make a decision and allow that decision to be scrutinised. No matter what field you’re in any decision will likely be criticised but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be decisive. It just means that you should have the rationale and evidence to augment any decisions/stance. This seems lost on the board.

I thought you were talking about 6 home grounds my bad ?

 

[Tiger-ferret]

The club needed to come out a make a decision, now let’s support Madge. Anything about his assistants?

Yeah decision made, some agree, some don't, no changing it now. Hopefully the club lines up fully behind him now to get the job done.

I agree.
Everyone should now stand behind coach Sheens and assistant to the coach Maguire.

I will be standing behind the club moving forward. You’ve slipped that in a couple of times now. I don’t quite get your angle. I’ve read on here that Madge is on good terms with sheens and regularly speaks to him. They are both adults. They both are passionate about the Weststigers.

No angle.
Sheens is the head coach and Maguire is now his second banana.
Onwards and upwards.

I’d be his 2nd banana too for 700k a year

 

[frullens]

Best short term decision. If things stay the same this time next year the Club will be in much better position to change things.
Sheens will have 6-12 months to evaluate things and there is bound to be better coaching options than the bunch of nuffs that are being promoted now.
But the best thing is that the Club stayed strong and really shafted some of those Media worms. Enjoyed that!

Agree!