Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Plisskin]

Depends what your perspective is whilst reading it.
For mine, he thumbed up the backing his coach passage 😎

 

[weststigers]

It's the right decision.

Madge was a good selection when he started and he's had a horrible set of circumstances over the last three years. The results have been disapppointing but the disciplined approach to recruitment has meant we're in a good financial position for the first time in ages.

Madge therefore deserves to coach us next year. You recruit a coach to build something and you can point to the disappointing players being let go and the new young players coming in as evidence of progress at the club. The main thing is he is putting the club in a better position than what it was. And that can't be said for Potter (who wasn't really given a chance), Taylor (who stuffed his) and Cleary (who did more damage to our club than any other coach we've ever had).

Most importantly, it is important for our club's reputation that Madge be given next year. Tearing him down after re-signing him fits the media narrative and would really damage our ability to recruit a quality coach next time.

My one hesitation is that the club hasn't really backed Madge in a way that shows confidence in him. It looks like he's only just holding on, and that undermines both our ability to recruit and the message to the current players. Handicapping him in this way makes his job harder and lets players off the hook.

This isn't an excuse for Madge next year, whatever the circumstances we need to improve next year, but it wasn't well handled by the club and I think there needs to be work going into how to make the decision making process less public and how to develop better media strategies that mean we're not able to so easily be portrayed as a shambles.

Obviously, winning changes everything. I'm glad, whatever happens, that the club gave Madge the opportunity next year.

Agreed.

Not only that, people say it's Madge's team and they point to Tamou, Roberts and Leilua vs Cleary's Packer, Mybe and Reynolds. They conveniently leave out Laurie, Stefano and Blore.

On that point, Madge signed those guys for a total of $1 million a season ($550k of which is Leilua) and on very short contracts. He didn't trash our cap! Cleary's duds cost us 2.5 million and put us on the back foot for 4 years - we are LUCKY Matulino was medically retired or it would have been worse.

Every coach knows there is a risk players don't perform and these guys didn't, but they are on virtually nothing, so if you have someone better, who cares? Put them in reserves...the issue is he doesn't have anyone better, so he's playing the cards that have been dealt.

The reality is, with a side lacking depth, experience and talent, even the Roosters got towelled up this season.

We are seriously lacking players and I don't think Maguire is 100% responsible for that.


Matulino was the cheapest of the 4 signings and was pretty much busted when he arrived but gave his everything on the field.He also retired when he knew he just could not play anymore,he will always have my respect as a supporter of WT.He does not deserve to be called a Cleary "dud" unlike the other 3.I certainly agree with the rest of your post

He was on $800k and he was busted and Cleary knew that before he signed. Definition of dud signing.

I didn't say the guy couldn't play when fully fit or that he ripped off the club.


I dont know where you get the 800k from i heard it was about 500k-530k,certainly not cheap but acceptable

Here is a reference to the $800k.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2019-wests-tigers-ryan-matterson-release-ben-matulino-retirement-17-million-war-chest/news-story/d6ab4fade18b7b5c965d75e260924168

 

[Snake]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

What it shows to me is that the players back the coach and have little respect for management.
I have started liking them again.

I don't care if he likes them or not, that is not the way to deal with it.

I don’t agree.
Upper management, especially recruitment are the problem.

So you would bag your employers publicly, or support someone else who was?

He hasn’t bagged anyone out. He has shown support for his coach who has been bashed from pillar to post recently.

By supporting someone criticising senior management.

Obviously the younger generation like bitting the hand that feeds them ! Do not think that people in the right places have not noticed… Maybe Douehi already made his thoughts known to management !

 

[Harvey]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

What it shows to me is that the players back the coach and have little respect for management.
I have started liking them again.

I would like them more if they backed him on the field instead of social media

 

[Needaname]

Gus’ thoughts.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/79775d55-0079-4e50-b039-f17d63e1324e

 

[Snake]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

What it shows to me is that the players back the coach and have little respect for management.
I have started liking them again.

I would like them more if they backed him on the field instead of social media

I think Douehi did have a go on field !

 

[avocadoontoast]

I will now support him as I want what's best for the team but I am disappointed.

I can’t share the same view. After almost 40 years I’m done with the club.

See Ya!

Can't get rid of me that easy Russ, I'm like a turd that won't flush. Looking forward to us having many productive discussions over the offseason until Liddle is dropped and you go AWOL again.

 

[BAGNF05]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

What it shows to me is that the players back the coach and have little respect for management.
I have started liking them again.

One player we like. I’m sure there’s some white ants.

So its ok to white ant as long as he is white anting someone who you don't like?

He didn’t address anyone specifically. He supported his head coach.

 

[cochise]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

What it shows to me is that the players back the coach and have little respect for management.
I have started liking them again.

One player we like. I’m sure there’s some white ants.

So its ok to white ant as long as he is white anting someone who you don't like?

He didn’t address anyone specifically. He supported his head coach.

By agreeing with someone being critical of the management, I have had jobs where I would be heavily disciplined for that.

 

[Littlebittipsy]

Gus’ thoughts.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/79775d55-0079-4e50-b039-f17d63e1324e

Interesting quote from Gus. “Only last week he was calling me looking at possible trades for players and positions they are trying to fill. He wasn't acting like a coach who felt like he was walking the plank."

 

[WT2K]

Gus’ thoughts.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/79775d55-0079-4e50-b039-f17d63e1324e

Interesting quote from Gus. “Only last week he was calling me looking at possible trades for players and positions they are trying to fill. He wasn't acting like a coach who felt like he was walking the plank."

Cotric

 

[BAGNF05]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

What it shows to me is that the players back the coach and have little respect for management.
I have started liking them again.

One player we like. I’m sure there’s some white ants.

So its ok to white ant as long as he is white anting someone who you don't like?

He didn’t address anyone specifically. He supported his head coach.

By agreeing with someone being critical of the management, I have had jobs where I would be heavily disciplined for that.

Lee H was critical of management yesterday. The joint leaks like sieve.

 

[mike]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

What it shows to me is that the players back the coach and have little respect for management.
I have started liking them again.

One player we like. I’m sure there’s some white ants.

So its ok to white ant as long as he is white anting someone who you don't like?

He didn’t address anyone specifically. He supported his head coach.

By agreeing with someone being critical of the management, I have had jobs where I would be heavily disciplined for that.

Off to the headmaster you go!

 

[BAGNF05]

Gus’ thoughts.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/79775d55-0079-4e50-b039-f17d63e1324e

Chammas is a bottom feeder

 

[frullens]

Gus’ thoughts.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/79775d55-0079-4e50-b039-f17d63e1324e

Interesting quote from Gus. “Only last week he was calling me looking at possible trades for players and positions they are trying to fill. He wasn't acting like a coach who felt like he was walking the plank."

Is that midges role to be calling guys about trades? Or hartigans? Or now Sheens?

 

[TYGA]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

He should be captain next season. We need a voice that plays hard, with passion and loves hard work. Our management need to sack themselves.

 

[cochise]


Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

He should be captain next season. We need a voice that plays hard, with passion and loves hard work. Our management need to sack themselves.

Needs to learn his position first, I think he will be a good captain, I want him making smarter choices than that though.

Anyway, its not the crime of century and I have made my point, I will leave it here.

 

[The_Patriot]

Gus’ thoughts.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/79775d55-0079-4e50-b039-f17d63e1324e

Interesting quote from Gus. “Only last week he was calling me looking at possible trades for players and positions they are trying to fill. He wasn't acting like a coach who felt like he was walking the plank."

Interesting the possible trade options