Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

@carltondry said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348366) said:
There are a few people on here that are loyal to Madge and I applaud that but he hasn't learnt from his dumping at Souths so it's time to look for a replacement. I don't like Flanagan but he's the logical choice out of the current crop waiting to coach

You get the feeling the WTs will install two assistant coaches for communication, strategy, defence, etc, against Maguire's view. Sacking him is too difficult with the previous turnover of coaches. At year's end, one assistant will become coach with Maguire to leave quietly.
 
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

We offered almost 300 k more for Latrell over Souths ....
 
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club
 
@facepalmer said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348364) said:
Missing Latrell really hurts honestly. That one signing could have changed everything for us. He's been so good this year. I know someone who is closely involved with the club and everyone involved was pretty confident we'd gotten him too.


Glad we didnt get him, he is a thug.
 
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348410) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club

Only so South's could stay under the cap - significant upgrade after the first year.
 
@telltails said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348440) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348410) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club

Only so South's could stay under the cap - significant upgrade after the first year.

Significant, it went up to $800k, still $300k a year under our offer, that is $800k over the last 2 years he has given up to not play here, and Madge was a big factor
 
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348442) said:
@telltails said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348440) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348410) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club

Only so South's could stay under the cap - significant upgrade after the first year.

Significant, it went up to $800k, still $300k a year under our offer, that is $800k over the last 2 years he has given up to not play here, and Madge was a big factor

Disagree,

Our club was shambolic at the time and didnt want to be the first one on the boat. Madge is known as being disciplined and a hard worker, Something Latrell (very talented) is rumoured not to be.

Were are in the middle of a rebuild.

We need a Ponga, or a David fafita to help bring us the street Cred we truly have never had.

The Sack Madge movement lacks true foresight
 
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348290) said:
Didn’t Mick L get removed because W Ashfield was keen to put Canterbury Cup back to wests tigers and Mick was like over my dead body so they removed him ?

I thought it was the other way round.
Thought he was the one pushing to get West Tigers back to a unified team.
 
@spartan117 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348460) said:
The Sack Madge movement lacks true foresight

I view it the other way. I think some are so hung up on his past success that they think it's just a matter of time until that happens here. It's not going to happen here.

He hasn't coached a team with a positive for and against since 2014 and hasn't had a winning season since 2015. The story of him being a defensive minded coach is a myth. Even in 2017 when he had a pretty hot team they let in an average of 24 points a game. Attack is even worse. He appears to have almost no knowledge of attacking structures. Brooks and Mbye's form deteriorated after he got here and it's gotten worse ever since. We do 5 hit ups and put up a mid field bomb every time. Even Doueihi is looking awful these days.
 
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348442) said:
@telltails said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348440) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348410) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club

Only so South's could stay under the cap - significant upgrade after the first year.

Significant, it went up to $800k, still $300k a year under our offer, that is $800k over the last 2 years he has given up to not play here, and Madge was a big factor

Latrell is where he wanted to be. As soon as they retired Burgess there was only one place he was interested in going.
 
Latrell literally said he didn't join Tigers because he didn't want the pressure of being the main man and wanted to join a team with an experienced spine who had been together a while

Nothing to do with Madge, everything to do with the club being crap as a whole. Latrell said he really appreciated the effort Madge put in to talk to him
 
@spartan117 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348460) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348442) said:
@telltails said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348440) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348410) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club

Only so South's could stay under the cap - significant upgrade after the first year.

Significant, it went up to $800k, still $300k a year under our offer, that is $800k over the last 2 years he has given up to not play here, and Madge was a big factor

Disagree,

Our club was shambolic at the time and didnt want to be the first one on the boat. Madge is known as being disciplined and a hard worker, Something Latrell (very talented) is rumoured not to be.

Were are in the middle of a rebuild.

We need a Ponga, or a David fafita to help bring us the street Cred we truly have never had.

The Sack Madge movement lacks true foresight

Madge can't attract elite talent, so there is plenty of cred in the oust him movement, poor team selections, poor or no game plan or structure, we stand too flat in attack, and too deep and passive in defence, we suck at all aspects of the game. More than enough foresight to send him packing, accountability needs to be shown
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348472) said:
@spartan117 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348460) said:
The Sack Madge movement lacks true foresight

I view it the other way. I think some are so hung up on his past success that they think it's just a matter of time until that happens here. It's not going to happen here.

He hasn't coached a team with a positive for and against since 2014 and hasn't had a winning season since 2015. The story of him being a defensive minded coach is a myth. Even in 2017 when he had a pretty hot team they let in an average of 24 points a game. Attack is even worse. He appears to have almost no knowledge of attacking structures. Brooks and Mbye's form deteriorated after he got here and it's gotten worse ever since. We do 5 hit ups and put up a mid field bomb every time. Even Doueihi is looking awful these days.

Douehi played good against South's.
 
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348442) said:
@telltails said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348440) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348410) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club

Only so South's could stay under the cap - significant upgrade after the first year.

Significant, it went up to $800k, still $300k a year under our offer, that is $800k over the last 2 years he has given up to not play here, and Madge was a big factor

I will never believe that Mitchell rejected half a million and is playing for $600k.
 
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348476) said:
@spartan117 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348460) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348442) said:
@telltails said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348440) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348410) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348350) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348336) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348330) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348297) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348211) said:
@gnr4life said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348199) said:
@tiger-tragic said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348198) said:
@rex2ce said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

By the same logic, Bellamy isn't a man manager because JAC wants to leave. Robinson is a bad coach because Latrell left.

JAC wants to come back to Sydney
Latrell wanted fullback money and got it at souths

Trell got $300k less

We offered $1.1 million, he signed at souths for $600k, a ringing endorsement for Madge and the club

Only so South's could stay under the cap - significant upgrade after the first year.

Significant, it went up to $800k, still $300k a year under our offer, that is $800k over the last 2 years he has given up to not play here, and Madge was a big factor

Disagree,

Our club was shambolic at the time and didnt want to be the first one on the boat. Madge is known as being disciplined and a hard worker, Something Latrell (very talented) is rumoured not to be.

Were are in the middle of a rebuild.

We need a Ponga, or a David fafita to help bring us the street Cred we truly have never had.

The Sack Madge movement lacks true foresight

Madge can't attract elite talent, so there is plenty of cred in the oust him movement, poor team selections, poor or no game plan or structure, we stand too flat in attack, and too deep and passive in defence, we suck at all aspects of the game. More than enough foresight to send him packing, accountability needs to be shown

Cleary couldnt attract elite talent either @851 and maybe that's more about the club than the coach. DWZ - CNH both had relationships with Cleary and both decided to sign for other clubs. Did Cleary attract one talented player from the Penrith nursery when he was here?
It's evident Maguire is on borrowed time but he is not responsible for our recruitment problems. Can't see one player in this squad that other players would identify that they would want to play with. Whoever replaces him will have the same challenges, and will need to continue the rebuild that has started - while the club forks out 600k to get rid of him.
 
Before the season began, we were predicted to finish towards the bottom of the ladder. This assessment based upon previous finishes, but largely the team make-up. The fact that we have matched this prediction means, to me, that even with Bellamy or Bennett doing the yelling, the ladder position would pretty much be the same.

I love the long approach being taken. I would rather we build for sustained success, rather than a quick "let's buy Ben Hunt" approach. Will it take time? Shit yeah. Will I cry into my beer, more than once? You better believe it.

Let's not punt another coach. I'd rather Madge orchestrating a GF win, with Brooksy getting the Clive, then us doing a Roosters and buying a team with their sombrero, which is probably lucky, because that's not us.
 
@tiger_scott said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348502) said:
Before the season began, we were predicted to finish towards the bottom of the ladder.

A lot of people thought we'd challenge for the 8, including myself. Our roster isn't as bad as our results suggest.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348269) said:
@twentyforty said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348266) said:
When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

I think the actual quote was "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"


I think you’re right Avo. But the version I prefer is ..
“Winning isn’t everything, but the will to win is (everything)”
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348503) said:
@tiger_scott said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348502) said:
Before the season began, we were predicted to finish towards the bottom of the ladder.

A lot of people thought we'd challenge for the 8, including myself. Our roster isn't as bad as our results suggest.

Agree re the roster, but the team is playing like busted fences
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348503) said:
@tiger_scott said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348502) said:
Before the season began, we were predicted to finish towards the bottom of the ladder.

A lot of people thought we'd challenge for the 8, including myself. Our roster isn't as bad as our results suggest.

I always think this is our year, as do most on here. I meant, outside the supporter base, the so-called experts like Ikin & Kent etc, doing their pre-season predictions. I think we'll start to get better as the year progresses, as combos solidify, probably not enough to get in the 8, but one can only hope. Let's string a few together, including the Panthers during SOO and we may have a chance. The main thing is, this is more likely to happen with Madge, than without. In my opinion!
 
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