Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jrtiger]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

 

[hodgo]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

Agree in part however, which of the players.other then momo is currently better then what we have?
I personally believe our forwards look solid with good depth. We could definately use backs but I guess I wonder if a momo thomo wing centre comp would be better then what we are trotting out? I guess it could be just doesn't have the upside of what we have purchased. It just hasn't panned out

 

[Tiger5150]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

Agree in part however, which of the players.other then momo is currently better then what we have?
I personally believe our forwards look solid with good depth. We could definately use backs but I guess I wonder if a momo thomo wing centre comp would be better then what we are trotting out? I guess it could be just doesn't have the upside of what we have purchased. It just hasn't panned out

Good points and it would be a Momo Thommo combination with Mbye at fullback

 

[jrtiger]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

Agree in part however, which of the players.other then momo is currently better then what we have?
I personally believe our forwards look solid with good depth. We could definately use backs but I guess I wonder if a momo thomo wing centre comp would be better then what we are trotting out? I guess it could be just doesn't have the upside of what we have purchased. It just hasn't panned out

I think ET would be a decent placeholder at 13 until a player like Tuki Simpkins takes on the role. Mikaele can certainly cart the ball up but his boneheaded defensive decisions seem to happen on an hourly basis. Eisenhuth would remedy that. Its in the past and I understand the direction we're going in, but going chips in on players like Roberts, Leilua, AJ etc has hurt us immensely.

 

[hodgo]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

Agree in part however, which of the players.other then momo is currently better then what we have?
I personally believe our forwards look solid with good depth. We could definately use backs but I guess I wonder if a momo thomo wing centre comp would be better then what we are trotting out? I guess it could be just doesn't have the upside of what we have purchased. It just hasn't panned out

I think ET would be a decent placeholder at 13 until a player like Tuki Simpkins takes on the role. Mikaele can certainly cart the ball up but his boneheaded defensive decisions seem to happen on an hourly basis. Eisenhuth would remedy that. Its in the past and I understand the direction we're going in, but going chips in on players like Roberts, Leilua, AJ etc has hurt us immensely.

Yeah I understand, I think we had to gamble short term and hope it paid off it hasn't but it won't hurt us that much. Hindsight I guess I was excited to get both jtj and bj, neither have come close to what I hoped.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I'd like Sheens and Morris as a combo.

 

[cochise]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

Agree in part however, which of the players.other then momo is currently better then what we have?
I personally believe our forwards look solid with good depth. We could definately use backs but I guess I wonder if a momo thomo wing centre comp would be better then what we are trotting out? I guess it could be just doesn't have the upside of what we have purchased. It just hasn't panned out

I think ET would be a decent placeholder at 13 until a player like Tuki Simpkins takes on the role. Mikaele can certainly cart the ball up but his boneheaded defensive decisions seem to happen on an hourly basis. Eisenhuth would remedy that. Its in the past and I understand the direction we're going in, but going chips in on players like Roberts, Leilua, AJ etc has hurt us immensely.

We haven't gone all in on these players though. They are deals in our favour. They were a gamble to try and get us into the 8 this year. It hasn't worked so far but it doesn’t risk our future bcos we can get out of the majority of the deals this year.

 

[Telltails]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year. I agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Agree it is so evident. Barrett left Penrith as the next best thing - camped on the bottom of the competition because he just doesn't have the players in the key positions to compete with the club's that do. Hence why Penrith can carry players like Momo and Huth.

 

[hobbo1]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I'd like Sheens and Morris as a combo.

Agree ...
Sheens for the brains ..
Morris to manage and massage the egos .
Madge can’t change his style imo
And if he picks Nuffoaluma he’s deadset got no idea

 

[Yossarian]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I don't know about that. Possession was around 60/40 our way and even in the diabolical first half we had more ball. Their tries weren't really the result of astute coaching but a combination of lack of effort and Nofa having a shocker. That Drinkwater try was unacceptable no matter who the opposition coach was.

 

[jrtiger]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

Agree in part however, which of the players.other then momo is currently better then what we have?
I personally believe our forwards look solid with good depth. We could definately use backs but I guess I wonder if a momo thomo wing centre comp would be better then what we are trotting out? I guess it could be just doesn't have the upside of what we have purchased. It just hasn't panned out

I think ET would be a decent placeholder at 13 until a player like Tuki Simpkins takes on the role. Mikaele can certainly cart the ball up but his boneheaded defensive decisions seem to happen on an hourly basis. Eisenhuth would remedy that. Its in the past and I understand the direction we're going in, but going chips in on players like Roberts, Leilua, AJ etc has hurt us immensely.

We haven't gone all in on these players though. They are deals in our favour. They were a gamble to try and get us into the 8 this year. It hasn't worked so far but it doesn’t risk our future bcos we can get out of the majority of the deals this year.

Fair point. Happy for Roberts to stay given his pay packet but he's not at first grade standard at this stage. Talau deserves to be given the right centre spot, it's his prefered position and always plays well in that role. Braidon Burns, Brad Parker and Sebastian Kris should all be at the top of our list, not Brent Naden. It'll be Leilua all over again. Players like that don't work at clubs like ours.

 

[Tiger5150]

I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year.u agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to

Not saying they have to be our core, but you can't continue to fill a squad with low percentage players that we live in hope will one day string together consistent performances. Guys like Laurie, Doueihi, Talau, Simpkin, Blore, Stefano and Simpkins will provide the 'star power' in the coming seasons, its the players you put around them that ultimately decide your fate though. Good, consistent players that aim up in defence, can catch and pass on the fringes and run a decent line. We've let too many of them go in the past 12 months and it was there for all to see on Sunday.

Agree in part however, which of the players.other then momo is currently better then what we have?
I personally believe our forwards look solid with good depth. We could definately use backs but I guess I wonder if a momo thomo wing centre comp would be better then what we are trotting out? I guess it could be just doesn't have the upside of what we have purchased. It just hasn't panned out

I think ET would be a decent placeholder at 13 until a player like Tuki Simpkins takes on the role. Mikaele can certainly cart the ball up but his boneheaded defensive decisions seem to happen on an hourly basis. Eisenhuth would remedy that. Its in the past and I understand the direction we're going in, but going chips in on players like Roberts, Leilua, AJ etc has hurt us immensely.

We haven't gone all in on these players though. They are deals in our favour. They were a gamble to try and get us into the 8 this year. It hasn't worked so far but it doesn’t risk our future bcos we can get out of the majority of the deals this year.

Fair point. Happy for Roberts to stay given his pay packet but he's not at first grade standard at this stage. ***Talau deserves to be given the right centre spot, it's his prefered position and always plays well in that role.*** Braidon Burns, Brad Parker and Sebastian Kris should all be at the top of our list, not Brent Naden. It'll be Leilua all over again. Players like that don't work at clubs like ours.

I must have missed that game.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I don't know about that. Possession was around 60/40 our way and even in the diabolical first half we had more ball. Their tries weren't really the result of astute coaching but a combination of lack of effort and Nofa having a shocker. That Drinkwater try was unacceptable no matter who the opposition coach was.

That first try blew us off the park. It was premeditated. Payten well knows Nofoaluma's shortcomings. For us it was bad but for RL, brillant.

 

[hobbo1]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I don't know about that. Possession was around 60/40 our way and even in the diabolical first half we had more ball. Their tries weren't really the result of astute coaching but a combination of lack of effort and Nofa having a shocker. That Drinkwater try was unacceptable no matter who the opposition coach was.

That first try blew us off the park. It was premeditated. Payten well knows Nofoaluma's shortcomings. For us it was bad but for RL, brillant.

Yeah it was a brilliant try
Another highlight against us for the media to use ?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I don't know about that. Possession was around 60/40 our way and even in the diabolical first half we had more ball. Their tries weren't really the result of astute coaching but a combination of lack of effort and Nofa having a shocker. That Drinkwater try was unacceptable no matter who the opposition coach was.

That first try blew us off the park. It was premeditated. Payten well knows Nofoaluma's shortcomings. For us it was bad but for RL, brillant.

Yeah it was a brilliant try
Another highlight against us for the media to use ?

We do our best to improve the for and against of most teams.

 

[WT2K]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I don't know about that. Possession was around 60/40 our way and even in the diabolical first half we had more ball. Their tries weren't really the result of astute coaching but a combination of lack of effort and Nofa having a shocker. That Drinkwater try was unacceptable no matter who the opposition coach was.

That first try blew us off the park. It was premeditated. Payten well knows Nofoaluma's shortcomings. For us it was bad but for RL, brillant.

Yeah it was a brilliant try
Another highlight against us for the media to use ?

You seen that try side by side with Nathan Blacklock one. Painful viewing still to this day.

 

[hobbo1]

I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Payten did him in the strategy dept last Sunday. It looked like it came straight from the Sheens' play book. Having Morris as an assistant would hugely benefit the team and our junior development.

I don't know about that. Possession was around 60/40 our way and even in the diabolical first half we had more ball. Their tries weren't really the result of astute coaching but a combination of lack of effort and Nofa having a shocker. That Drinkwater try was unacceptable no matter who the opposition coach was.

That first try blew us off the park. It was premeditated. Payten well knows Nofoaluma's shortcomings. For us it was bad but for RL, brillant.

Yeah it was a brilliant try
Another highlight against us for the media to use ?

We do our best to improve the for and against of most teams.

There’s always that ..
I’m talking about highlights reels being shown on tv and the team always on the receiving end is us ?

 

[TrueTiger]

As much as we all are disappointed after the Cows game,it is only rnd 6 coming up...played 2 top teams to start beat Newy and got a lesson in complacency by the Cows...

Madge is entitled to be dirty at the team,Noffa plays way better than he did and our spine is trying to get some sort of combos together...overall this should be the game that makes or breaks the team and coach...
the team realistically has to be responsible for their lack of enthusiasm in the game..
People can bag the coach or blame his regime,but ultimately if your in an NRL side with a contract then you should perform to that standard and not make excuses for your shortcomings...
This week will test the internal fortitude of this team and see if they have learnt from their mistakes last game...they showed they can play well as shown in the second half,but they must be consistent against Souths otherwise they will be trounced and the season will gradually be an after thought...

 

[2005magic]

As much as we all are disappointed after the Cows game,it is only rnd 6 coming up...played 2 top teams to start beat Newy and got a lesson in complacency by the Cows...

Madge is entitled to be dirty at the team,Noffa plays way better than he did and our spine is trying to get some sort of combos together...overall this should be the game that makes or breaks the team and coach...
the team realistically has to be responsible for their lack of enthusiasm in the game..
People can bag the coach or blame his regime,but ultimately if your in an NRL side with a contract then you should perform to that standard and not make excuses for your shortcomings...
This week will test the internal fortitude of this team and see if they have learnt from their mistakes last game...they showed they can play well as shown in the second half,but they must be consistent against Souths otherwise they will be trounced and the season will gradually be an after thought...

Its the complacency bit that bugs me with WT. We have had that problem almost since inception. What the hell is it? For crissake they're professional athletes paid to perform yet time and time again their heads arent there. The top teams dont really get it but I will admit sometimes they do but rarely, Do we need a side kick with Maguire to keep this mental 'in tune' happening? Is accepting mediocre performances with a shrug part of the issue when maybe a kick up the backside and demotion for the foreseeable future better?