Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[the_third]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

I think Madge may well be part of the problem, but the bigger issue IS the board - things need to be cleaned out at the top before any meaningful change below can be fully realised. We jump into another coach right now, nothing much will change, they'll have a roster they aren't happy with and we're back to square one.


You are right in saying the board is the problem however the board isn't going to change - they would have to vote themselves out and that is not going to happen. Wests Ashfield run the show and answer to no one. Perfect example is Mick Lubinskas. One week after being re elected to his positions Mick was removed from the Wests Magpies Football club and removal from WT board for supposedly having his say on how he thought Wt and Wests Magpies should be moving forward. To date there has been no announcement from either WT or Wests Ashfield about his removal. The WT board is merely a puppet with Wests Ashfield pulling the strings.

Is it really that bad ? I was not aware, and if true, no wonder we have problems. The strength of the club starts in the head office.

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[twentyforty]

When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

 

[avocadoontoast]

When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

I think the actual quote was "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

Maguire has zero leadership on the field with senior players that don't show an ounce of passion on the field for the club or the jersey - LL excluded. The young players have no one to lead and the player who has been there the longest and in a key position seems more than content to hang around and accept the coaching merry go round. Great example to set.
Last year we saw what a quality player in Harry Grant can do for a team. At 22 he had more desire than the lot of our blokes, and the players followed him. We all know what they should be doing but they don't have to because they know who will wear the blame for their lack of desire and it won't be them. That is what we are about.

We have regressed.

Our roster is better than results indicate.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire to lead.

The other player you refer to performed well under Cleary.

Tamou is only leading because the obvious player who should be is incapable of leadership. Tamou has been at the club for five minutes, and yet the player most identified with the club in a key position, and is on the field for 80 mins at 26yrs old is still not up to it. He should be demanding the job.
Our roster is better than results indicate - based on what? A spine with a 19 and 20 year old with less than 10 FG games between them and a new halves pairing where the senior player is reluctant to lead?
Brooks could play well under anyone he has the skills and as a senior player he has a responsibility to set the standard. He is singley not to blame for our position no more than Maguire is but he has a responsiblity to own his deficiencies. The "He played well under Cleary" line is getting just as old as the Maguire won a premiership.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire as a leader. Has he been jettisoned by Maguire already?

And being flogged by Manly, not considered a genuine premiership threat, is hardly indicative of our roster strength.

Brooks will be another WTs disaster story going on to success at another club if he leaves.

I don't believe Maguire can attract quality players required and in any case it would be a futile exercise with the coaching, tactics, defensive structures in place

The approach to Sam Burgess story if true reaffirms a coaching change is needed.

No need to worry about losing Brooks already stated he "is not going anywhere" - content just where he is.

Maybe he loves the club. Terrible thing for players to feel.

 

[Sco77y]

Hilarious. I was wondering what Farah was doing in the sheds on Sunday. Next minute, he white ants Madge out of the coaching role, becomes coach, brings back Benji and then laces up while they tackle another season together.

 

[Telltails]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

Maguire has zero leadership on the field with senior players that don't show an ounce of passion on the field for the club or the jersey - LL excluded. The young players have no one to lead and the player who has been there the longest and in a key position seems more than content to hang around and accept the coaching merry go round. Great example to set.
Last year we saw what a quality player in Harry Grant can do for a team. At 22 he had more desire than the lot of our blokes, and the players followed him. We all know what they should be doing but they don't have to because they know who will wear the blame for their lack of desire and it won't be them. That is what we are about.

We have regressed.

Our roster is better than results indicate.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire to lead.

The other player you refer to performed well under Cleary.

Tamou is only leading because the obvious player who should be is incapable of leadership. Tamou has been at the club for five minutes, and yet the player most identified with the club in a key position, and is on the field for 80 mins at 26yrs old is still not up to it. He should be demanding the job.
Our roster is better than results indicate - based on what? A spine with a 19 and 20 year old with less than 10 FG games between them and a new halves pairing where the senior player is reluctant to lead?
Brooks could play well under anyone he has the skills and as a senior player he has a responsibility to set the standard. He is singley not to blame for our position no more than Maguire is but he has a responsiblity to own his deficiencies. The "He played well under Cleary" line is getting just as old as the Maguire won a premiership.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire as a leader. Has he been jettisoned by Maguire already?

And being flogged by Manly, not considered a genuine premiership threat, is hardly indicative of our roster strength.

Brooks will be another WTs disaster story going on to success at another club if he leaves.

I don't believe Maguire can attract quality players required and in any case it would be a futile exercise with the coaching, tactics, defensive structures in place

The approach to Sam Burgess story if true reaffirms a coaching change is needed.

No need to worry about losing Brooks already stated he "is not going anywhere" - content just where he is.


Maybe he loves the club. Terrible thing for players to feel.

Keeps the passion well hidden.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

Maguire has zero leadership on the field with senior players that don't show an ounce of passion on the field for the club or the jersey - LL excluded. The young players have no one to lead and the player who has been there the longest and in a key position seems more than content to hang around and accept the coaching merry go round. Great example to set.
Last year we saw what a quality player in Harry Grant can do for a team. At 22 he had more desire than the lot of our blokes, and the players followed him. We all know what they should be doing but they don't have to because they know who will wear the blame for their lack of desire and it won't be them. That is what we are about.

We have regressed.

Our roster is better than results indicate.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire to lead.

The other player you refer to performed well under Cleary.

Tamou is only leading because the obvious player who should be is incapable of leadership. Tamou has been at the club for five minutes, and yet the player most identified with the club in a key position, and is on the field for 80 mins at 26yrs old is still not up to it. He should be demanding the job.
Our roster is better than results indicate - based on what? A spine with a 19 and 20 year old with less than 10 FG games between them and a new halves pairing where the senior player is reluctant to lead?
Brooks could play well under anyone he has the skills and as a senior player he has a responsibility to set the standard. He is singley not to blame for our position no more than Maguire is but he has a responsiblity to own his deficiencies. The "He played well under Cleary" line is getting just as old as the Maguire won a premiership.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire as a leader. Has he been jettisoned by Maguire already?

And being flogged by Manly, not considered a genuine premiership threat, is hardly indicative of our roster strength.

Brooks will be another WTs disaster story going on to success at another club if he leaves.

I don't believe Maguire can attract quality players required and in any case it would be a futile exercise with the coaching, tactics, defensive structures in place

The approach to Sam Burgess story if true reaffirms a coaching change is needed.

No need to worry about losing Brooks already stated he "is not going anywhere" - content just where he is.


Maybe he loves the club. Terrible thing for players to feel.

Keeps the passion well hidden.

Idk what you expect from him, he’s a quiet guy, it’s just who is. I’ve been saying for years it’s his biggest flaw. He takes his off field personality onto the field. Has no killer instinct.

 

[Madge]

I won't go into much detail as others have basically covered every area there is to cover. The biggest issue with Madge is he is still scarred by his Seibold experience which is affecting the progress of the team on the field.

It is a very selfish approach imo and he has to come to the realization that it is about the club not himself. He is trying to carry the club on his shoulders and it is not working. As others have said he is not a tactical coach he is a motivator, I see that. He needs to let go of his past and allow the club to bring in the right tactical assistants in both attack and defence.

I do think Madge has a lot of flaws and if we didn't have our history with previous coaches I probably would have said move on from him, but there is clearly an issue inherent in the club and that stems from the top down.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

the rabble starts with Canterbury Cup
WE are WESTS TIGERS
play as them in every grade show some unity we are not Magpies we are tigers

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

I think Madge may well be part of the problem, but the bigger issue IS the board - things need to be cleaned out at the top before any meaningful change below can be fully realised. We jump into another coach right now, nothing much will change, they'll have a roster they aren't happy with and we're back to square one.


You are right in saying the board is the problem however the board isn't going to change - they would have to vote themselves out and that is not going to happen. Wests Ashfield run the show and answer to no one. Perfect example is Mick Lubinskas. One week after being re elected to his positions Mick was removed from the Wests Magpies Football club and removal from WT board for supposedly having his say on how he thought Wt and Wests Magpies should be moving forward. To date there has been no announcement from either WT or Wests Ashfield about his removal. The WT board is merely a puppet with Wests Ashfield pulling the strings.

Didn't Mick L get removed because W Ashfield was keen to put Canterbury Cup back to wests tigers and Mick was like over my dead body so they removed him ?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

the rabble starts with Canterbury Cup
WE are WESTS TIGERS
play as them in every grade show some unity we are not Magpies we are tigers

That’s just petty

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

What's the go with Morris suddenly being mentioned as a competent NRL coach? It shows how desperate the WT lens at judging competence has become. And, his Sharks mate Flanagan is a drug-cheating bogan. I want neither of them anywhere near the Tigers thanks.


Morris is unproven. We’re the last club that an unproven coach can make his name. Even premiership winning coaches are taking the club backwards.

As opposed to Maguire who is proven (at what)?

he has won a comp a long time ago but still has. The game has just passed him by now.
All these players didn't want to play for Madge
Matterson
Aloia
Latrell
JAC

they all talk, he is.obviously not a man manager

 

[jirskyr]

Misleading
He did caretaker in 2012 and 2014 he was coach
2014 - took them to 10th after taking over from Stuart who got the spoon
2015th -12th
2016 which would be in line with madge tenure had them top 4 with salary cap debacle and they finished 14th
Then 2017 they made top 4
Whilst 2015 result went backwards they could see the improvements
whilst with madge the results are getting worse year on year (assuming this year remains at the level they are at ).

No I think the OP was on the money and you are making a misleading argument from the facts.

I agree 2012 doesn't count.

2014 was 10th. 2015 was 12th - worse. 2016 was 14th - worse again. If you give them back their deducted points in 2016 they would have come 8th on 30 points, not Top 4.

But then of course then you must address the fact that they played 2015 with salary cap breaches, took those into 2016 and were fined in March 2016. So Brad Arthur was coaching an illegally constructed team, which makes any success fraudulent, and any failure even more magnified. How would Madge go if we were able to sign players who had extra money tipped in by third-parties?

Brad Arthur has taken his Eels side to 3 finals in 7 seasons, which is less than half, and he managed a wooden spoon in the process. And yet, Eels stuck with him and eventually he's put together a side he can coach to the finals, even if they have no idea how to actually win finals matches.

The parallels to Madge are quite reasonable, with respect to taking over rabble and needing to be given a significant tenure to turn things around.

Ricky Stuart had the same experience - missed the finals 4/5 years on starting with Raiders (finished 10th 3 times), missed finals 3/4 years at Sharks, was dumped within 1 season by Eels. But he coached Roosters to several GFs and then got Canberra there. So is Stuart a good coach or not?

Don’t forget BA took over when eels had 2 spoons in a row compared to madge taking a side that had finished 9th and had been for years on the cusp of the 8.

Agree re the salary cap as that is the elephant in the room and also madge hampered by Cleary signings whereas BA benefited from Stuart moving players on .

My point is you can’t simply say BA didn’t make finals first 3 years as comparison as they was definite improvement in results and performance in those 3 years - can you really say that about madge especially considering he took over a side that had finished 9th ?

Well I personally think that's artificially inflated, to "improve" from last. If you come last, then of course anything else is an improvement. It's not much of an achievement to not come last (again), if that still means missing the finals by a wide margin.

And it doesn't explain, if Arthur "improved" the side from 16th to 10th, what do you call the following year when they came 12th? In fact it's the exact same table margin drop for both coaches in the first 2 years - nth and n+2th - Tigers went 9th and 11th, Eels went 10th and 12th.

The jury is out where Tigers will finish in 2021, and it's unlikely to be good, but it doesn't get away from the fact that Brad Arthur, in 7 completed seasons, has presided over 3 seasons with a table position as bad or worse than anything Maguire has yet fielded at Tigers or Souths. But Arthur still has a job because Parra stuck with him, and after 4 years he finally made the finals.

And they didn't sack him when he won another spoon in 2018. He took over a club that won 2 wooden spoons and in 5 years got them to the finals once, before achieving yet another spoon. But Parra kept him on and arguably his job is now safe.

 

[Dyloh]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

Maguire has zero leadership on the field with senior players that don't show an ounce of passion on the field for the club or the jersey - LL excluded. The young players have no one to lead and the player who has been there the longest and in a key position seems more than content to hang around and accept the coaching merry go round. Great example to set.
Last year we saw what a quality player in Harry Grant can do for a team. At 22 he had more desire than the lot of our blokes, and the players followed him. We all know what they should be doing but they don't have to because they know who will wear the blame for their lack of desire and it won't be them. That is what we are about.

We have regressed.

Our roster is better than results indicate.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire to lead.

The other player you refer to performed well under Cleary.

Tamou is only leading because the obvious player who should be is incapable of leadership. Tamou has been at the club for five minutes, and yet the player most identified with the club in a key position, and is on the field for 80 mins at 26yrs old is still not up to it. He should be demanding the job.
Our roster is better than results indicate - based on what? A spine with a 19 and 20 year old with less than 10 FG games between them and a new halves pairing where the senior player is reluctant to lead?
Brooks could play well under anyone he has the skills and as a senior player he has a responsibility to set the standard. He is singley not to blame for our position no more than Maguire is but he has a responsiblity to own his deficiencies. The "He played well under Cleary" line is getting just as old as the Maguire won a premiership.

Tamou was purchased by Maguire as a leader. Has he been jettisoned by Maguire already?

And being flogged by Manly, not considered a genuine premiership threat, is hardly indicative of our roster strength.

Brooks will be another WTs disaster story going on to success at another club if he leaves.

I don't believe Maguire can attract quality players required and in any case it would be a futile exercise with the coaching, tactics, defensive structures in place

The approach to Sam Burgess story if true reaffirms a coaching change is needed.

No need to worry about losing Brooks already stated he "is not going anywhere" - content just where he is.


Maybe he loves the club. Terrible thing for players to feel.

Keeps the passion well hidden.

Who was the last player to throw a couple of punches in a Tigers jersey prior to Brooks and Gagai? Didn’t everyone jump on Nofa the other week because he showed passion when he scored a try after letting 2 or 3 down his side? I personally would rather Brooks be quietly passionate than overly cocky and arrogant while the team gets pumped every week.

 

[mike]

Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

The blame rightly rests with the coach. We know it is a results based business.

Deflecting blame to the Board and players is unhelpful.

We know leaks occur when the end is near. I hope Maguire goes quickly and with dignity. No one wants this to drag out.

Do you really believe a new coach will fix this and fix it quickly?

Yes.

We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The new coach should have the benefit of the salary cap that is available next year.

Maguire will not attract the quality players required.

I'd like to see a sustained improvement in our defence, attack and game plan. This does not mean winning but being highly competitive providing a platform from which to build upon. Instead we have regressed.

I think Madge may well be part of the problem, but the bigger issue IS the board - things need to be cleaned out at the top before any meaningful change below can be fully realised. We jump into another coach right now, nothing much will change, they'll have a roster they aren't happy with and we're back to square one.

Repeating the cycle, instead of breaking it.

 

[Shooter Mcgavin]

Am curious to see how this whole chapter unfolds in the doco we are making this year...

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Am curious to see how this whole chapter unfolds in the doco we are making this year...

Should be good TV drama for starters.

 

[jirskyr]

The fans have had enough, understandably, after a decade and a half of no success. That’s not on Madge though. He has won premierships in different hemispheres, he has beaten Australia as an international coach, his win rate over his career is higher than Sheens and Cleary. But because some veteran players who should know better couldn’t be bothered to put the effort into a tackle, all of a sudden the narrative is “Madge can’t coach”. It’s rubbish.

That's a good point - how much pressure would Madge be under if this was 2015 rather than 2021?