@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1409039) said:
We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.
Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions
I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.
I can see both sides of the argument.
**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.
Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.
But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.
It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.
Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.
Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?
Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?
I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?
I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.
Players are not responding.
I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.
Plain to see.
Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.
What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?
None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.
Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.
We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.
How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.
Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.
It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.
It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.
Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.
This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas
“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“
“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.
You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.
Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.
BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.
The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.
I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?
The dressing shed is a workplace.
You have a penchant for avoiding answer simple questions haven't you?
The comment was made publicly not the dressing shed. That was well known except for you apparently.
Excusing it as some kind of dressing room banter is disgraceful.
If you haven't noticed, workplaces have changed over the last 30 to 40 years.
I'm sure it wasn't banter. I reckon he said worse in the shed?
You made mention the comment was made in the workplace, not me.
"**The dressing shed is a workplace**. That comment was made publicly."
"**The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace**."
TBH, I don't have a problem with what he said, it was true, though some players will get there nose out of joint by it?
You want your players working as a team with you. Making a comment like that does nothing for team building and getting the best from players.
But we aren't getting the best from the players, that is the point.
That is on Maguire.
So when do the players get held to account? All our troubles seem to always only be Madges.
It's about time the players were held accountable
They need to grow into men first. We all wondered why Pascoe was so vague about Sheens’ role, particularly with the remark about “the players can consult with him”..”and Madge can talk to him too if he wants”
Floater is a new name for a councillor, a sports psychologist ?
Tim will get to the route of Nofa’s underlying issues and treat them. I hope he can also relieve the board from any responsibilities they have with the footy department. ?
Yea if they were men they'd play like men
But they are sooks just waiting for the club to come to their rescue and sack the coach
They need to toughen up
Ppl saying even though Bellamy wouldn't come that they would love him as our coach
All I can say to that is you haven't seen nothing yet if you think Bellamy could save us
He would have these weak hearted peanuts begging for mercy and wishing they'd had Madge back within a week
When the players sack the coach once, its a rarity. Twice, its the beginning of a habit. Thrice, its a problem with the Board and club culture. But to consider it a regularly cultivated procedure? really?
If you think a coach is good enough to recruit, then give him a 5 year contract to prove you are right. Work with him to that end and appraise his performance regularly. Giving a coach 2 years and undermining his relationship with the players is setting him up for failure.
when an organisation is rolling over staff regularly then point your finger at the top.
So true
It's sad for the fans bit for a coach to fix this place he needs minimum 4 to 5yrs
Yea Madge has signed most of this mob but he is just buying time til the youngsters develop and stars see this place attractive
He loves this place and is giving it his all
If has lost some players than piss them off ASAP
We don't want them
We want players with Madges passion for the club
TPJ wanted big $$$
Well stuff him too
You and all the other Madge fans are banking on he knows what he is doing, yes he won the premiership in 2014, but things change, and he hasn't.
2015 -7th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 12th sacked
His form and player relationship deteriorated rapidly after the 2014 win, and it is happening here right now, only we didn't get any success along the way.
If the team showed some improvement, or he attracted some quality players, then I might buy in, he has offered nothing to buy in to.
His record since 2015 is quite horrific, coaches with a far better record than his have been sacked in that time frame, and he should be no exception.
Paul Green won in 2015, lost the group and failed to evolve with the game, got sacked, Flanagan won in 2016 and hardly any on here rate him, putting faith in Madge 2014 is a fools gold
Not a fully fledged Madge fan yet 851 and normally agree with your posts on this forum
But our club has already proven sacking coaches and siding with heartless NRL stars doesn't work
Re builds take years and the only bad thing at this club at the moment is our heartless NRL squad
The lower graded were built by Madge and are doing well But no one is singing his praises for that
I just think he deserves a chance to prove himself and that means sitting out at least for years til his young charges come through
Ppl on here name coaches that we should target but like NRL super stars they probably wouldn't come near the place
The coach cares
The players don't
The young ones love him
Give him a chance
It can't be that hard to grow a set of balls and do your best as a professional sportsman
They have shown they can do it in patches
They are young and in the peak of their lives but acting like 5yo cowards
If they just grew up and realised what could be achieved with some heart and passion the club would be in much better shape
And those who don't like Madge can move onto another club
Obviously they would find it hard to pick a new club cos most coaches take a dislike to poor attitudes so if they think they will find another club where they can get away with tantrums they are kidding himself
As for Madges coaching record well they all have ups and downs depending on roster
If you have a look around you will see that
I agree he has done pretty good with the young signings, but we need some quality, I respect your opinion though.
It is not so much with the amount of coaches we have had, it is hiring the wrong ones.
JT was a disaster waiting to happen, didn't disappoint though, crashed spectacularly, Cleary was a good signing, but his son wouldn't come here.
Madge maybe looked good at the time it is just we get the wrong ones.
If Madge gets some time and these young kids hang around with all the dead wood gone we might all be praising him for a job well done
I would like to think so, but I doubt it, his game plans and defensive structures are diabolical
I don't think the team follow game plans and defensive structures
I find it hard to believe any coach would for train a team to be scared and run away from the attacking team
Souths were doing it when he coached them, my father inlaw is a souths junior and whinged to me all the time about how the defence back away instead of moving up.
He was watching the Wests Tigers play Parra with me the other week, he said that is what souths used to do when he coached them
The thing for me is that we didnt do it against Knights, Dragons and Pamfers. Our defence looked great and was pushing up and in and choking them out. There was much talk here (myself included) about our "new" defensive system.
I can not believe that Madge has said, yeah lets go away from the system that worked. For me it HAS to be the players that are either incapable of following simple plans or dont have the guts or attitude for the tough work.....dare I say it...we need some Men?
The three sides you mentioned were very understrength which perhaps gave us false confidence.
I’m sure that is part of it. My point being, Madge is not coaching that crap defensive structure, he is coaching the good defensive structure that worked in this games and the first time against Souffs.
They know what to do, but incapable of doing it under live fire. That is attitude
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