Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[crazycat]

I will just drop this.
James Roberts in a recent interview says "he loves the Tigers and he loves the club".

It's a phrase I am hearing again and again when players mention the Tigers.
Whatever Madge is doing, he is doing this one thing right. The players he is keeping onside.
Even Mbye who was on the outer, is being managed well.

Maybe Madge isn't managing the bench rotation well. Maybe there are tweeks here and there. But if everyone is saying "we like playing at the Tigers", and we are training hard. Then we are building well.

We see how Parra has been torn apart by infighting. We want players to stay with the Tigers and build their careers here. We want people saying were a good club because that will attract talent.

How many years has it taken Brad Arthur at Parra, ? Building takes time. Madge is getting the culture right.

I was subscribed to this line of thinking but the atrocity that is the way this team is coached to defend (particularly in the context of the current rule interpretations) is putting us in a position that makes it very very hard to win football games.

True.
I was listening to how the Storm got Slater and two others to re-coach their attack too the new 6 again rules.

Yet being honest, our attack is fine. It could be better but when teams loose 66-0 we often score a few (not always but we dont get wiped out AS much as others)

Our Defense is the problem. It has always been a problem and under the new rules we get caught out of position a lot more.

 

[BZN]

We should be awarding him a medal of honour and courage for taking on the challenge, not hang the guy.

Each to their own opinion, but I could not disagree more strongly with this point, he has had more than enough time to at least get the team to show some form of improvement, he has failed.
Keeping on blaming Cleary 3 seasons later is a cop out, and Madge and his excuses are a cop out as well.
You want to give him a medal, I want to give a one way ticket out of here, that is the beauty of opinions

I'm not usually in the fence but I am in this one.

I can see both sides of the argument.

**Maguire has lost the dressing room** but should we sack the coach or sack the senior playing roster who are sooking.

Guys like Moses, Brooks, Nofo and others have been here longer than the coach so I'd allot a little more blame to them before sacking the coach.

But a new coach may want to feature those players in his rebuild.

It's a messy situation and all parties are to blame.

Who has said he has lost the dressing room? A couple of people on here.

Last week, they were saying Kevin Walters had lost the dressing room?

Haven't heard any players mention anything? No doubt, we are in a hole, but we are not a top 6 side yet? I don't think anyone thought we would compete in the last 4 games?

I believe we will get there and it is certainly taking longer than we all want, but imo, the club has to let him finish his rebuild. He has the experience we need, remembering we have been trying to do it for 10 years, it is not as easy as we all thought?

I'm saying it. He has lost the dressing room.

Players are not responding.

I'm no fan boy of the senior playing group. Most of them are imposters but right or wrong the coach has lost them.

Plain to see.

Sorry, but you’re guessing. But there are some players not playing to potential for sure.

What information do you have to support your claim that he is guessing?

None, but that’s the point, I know you have mentioned it, but no one else has, in fact they rallied in the second half of the Souths game, hardly an indication he has lost the shed. There is no proof of your assertions what so ever.

Take your blinkers off and you may see things, instead of being one eyed and negative.

We scored points in the second half because south’s clocked off. It is very obvious he’s lost the playing group.

How do you know this, you blokes just make things up to suit your story. If the team didn’t want to play, we wouldn’t have scored any points.

Not at all, I’m looking at it rationally. I actually think he lost he playing group midway through last season, and I think it’s gotten worse since then.

It’s a toxic environment with no harmony at all. Your issue is you have wanted him to succeed so badly from the beginning you simply cannot deal with the fact that he’s failed.

It’s the players that have failed, casting aspersions doesn’t make it true.

Who has said beside some of you, that Madge has lost the sheds? Not even the journo’s sprout that rubbish.

This was literally in tonight’s article by Chammas

“The news comes as multiple sources at the club told the Herald there was growing discontent among the players about Maguire, which has been exacerbated by the coach’s post-match comments following the loss to South Sydney.“


“Growing discontent” and “multiple sources” I wonder who they are? You are drawing a long bow to say “he’s lost the shed”, I said earlier, they said about Kevin Walters last week.

You talk about me wearing blinkers, you're sitting there with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears.

Well, attacking me, doesn't make you right, you have nothing to back up your claim, except a jouno saying there is "growing discontent", Made had just said he was wanting men in his team, that would certainly upset some of the non performers.
Nofo being a tool and throwing team mates under the bus doesn't help either.

BTW, Chammas co-authored the article, I understand he has a known dislike for Madge.

The comment Maguire made is not appropriate in the workplace.

I disagree. You've never been inside a dressing shed, have you?

The dressing shed is a workplace. That comment was made publicly.

Strange type of workplace, with cameras and media hanging around. Anyone film you at your workplace?

Last time Madge had a go at the players, in the "privacy" of the dressing shed workplace, they filmed it and put it on TV. Then talked about it for days and days.

Also, I think for Madge it's just an alternate strategy. He has resisted criticising the players all year. They've been rubbish all year, they deserve criticism. He didn't name anyone specifically.

They are professional footballers. If they cannot handle internal and external criticism then they are in the wrong business. NRL is not a standard workplace - most workplaces don't get filmed, don't ask employees to make public comments on a weekly basis. Most employees don't have their personal effects in the media. Most employees don't have external parties critiquing their performances.

So if the coach calls the team out, justifiably, and that's something you can't handle, then you need to reconsider a career as a professional footballer. Because the coach is going to be softer on you, more understanding, more collaborative and constructive than any other external party, of which there are very many.

Maguire needs to be a lot more careful about what he says and where he says it.

Why Paws ? because you want him gone to suit your personal agenda...funny how he can say nice things about his squad when they are learning and not doing well but cant critique them when they fail him ...

WT is a professional organisation. Our image impacts all areas of the business. It's not overly difficult to do.

Nothing he said (about needing men) was unprofessional or impacted our business - we're already in the poo thanks to our weak willed playing roster.
You're the only one who thinks so.

We will see if he repeats what he said again. I suspect not.

He doesn’t need to repeat it, it’s out there and the point has been made and you haven’t stopped repeating it.

What point is that? That he has attempted to blame shift responsibility to the players in an attempt to save his own job?

I think his job is safe while players are performing like reserve graders and it is only right he demands better from them or they hit the road.

No coach will except the type of effort some of these blokes are putting in.

Does Maguire give the players valium in his pre-game and half time chats?

Well this may be the exact point where the major problem of this group lies.
IT is imperative that these guys run out on the field ready to Play from the startnog whisle. But this has just not been ciached into their DNA.
I want to see them run out with fire in their eyes and tear into their opposition ….. PLEASE.

**Bring back tommy's face slapping pre game warm up routine**.
Then if they dont cry...they should be in the rite mood :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: .

Would not hurt?
Except some players nowadays would bring chargers against the person doing the slapping.

Yes!!! :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Particularly the ones like Whatsthematerson and Slimy Mitch Moses that would cry :scream_cat: :confounded: :sob:

Could not agree more. Love the names.

I wasn't the 1st one to call Matterson 'Whatsthematerson' though @mike

 

[dazza65]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Hallelujah

 

[BZN]

Anyone who says Madge has not lost that team is kidding.

Go back and look at him talking and and the players actions and attention. There would have been more engagement if there was a rerun of MASH on a TV

Which players?

Looked like basically everyone in the room

Well I know douehi is a huge fan of Madge.
Laurie came here because of madge, as he was a souths fan growing up.
Brooksy is putting in under Madge
Blore came here because of Madge.
Seyfarth has improve 1000% under Madge
Ute is looking so fit under Madge

They are the core of the future team and one i worry about

If the others aren't listening to Madge. They can listen to Gardiner or start talking to other clubs.

Not going through another player mutiny again.
If you can't be bothered to help turn things around then see ya later

Spot on mate.

Team selections will be very interesting next week, might be a few tense meetings when Madge proposes to dump half our salary cap to the twos.

Spot on @BAGNF05.

I'm sure there will be changes.

There has to be changes or Madge wont have a leg to stand on.

But what sort of changes will there be?

After Madge Very Rightly challenged the Real Men to stand up, that was a challenge to every player whether in the NRL side or Magpie Reggie's.
And that could mean some of the under performers in the top grade may accept Madge's challenge and show they are actually men and are prepared to be treated like men from now on, warts and all.

I dont think Madge is into cuddling his players, he's more like the Tom Terrific style of coach, ox hearts and all.

So the blokes that do need a cuddle can immediately go and play for Wayne Bennett or the nearest monastery even, where the priests will be only to happy to cuddle them to perform.

How did Madge end up with a squad full of players that aren’t Madge type players. That is the big question for me. Somethings rotten.

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[tony soprano]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Hallelujah

I don’t think it’s that simple tho.

You see in most successful teams their coach installs belief and enjoyment in the game.

Maguire hasn’t been able to do this his whole time here.

 

[tony soprano]

Anyone who says Madge has not lost that team is kidding.

Go back and look at him talking and and the players actions and attention. There would have been more engagement if there was a rerun of MASH on a TV

Which players?

Looked like basically everyone in the room

Well I know douehi is a huge fan of Madge.
Laurie came here because of madge, as he was a souths fan growing up.
Brooksy is putting in under Madge
Blore came here because of Madge.
Seyfarth has improve 1000% under Madge
Ute is looking so fit under Madge

They are the core of the future team and one i worry about

If the others aren't listening to Madge. They can listen to Gardiner or start talking to other clubs.

Not going through another player mutiny again.
If you can't be bothered to help turn things around then see ya later

Spot on mate.

Team selections will be very interesting next week, might be a few tense meetings when Madge proposes to dump half our salary cap to the twos.

Spot on @BAGNF05.

I'm sure there will be changes.

There has to be changes or Madge wont have a leg to stand on.

But what sort of changes will there be?

After Madge Very Rightly challenged the Real Men to stand up, that was a challenge to every player whether in the NRL side or Magpie Reggie's.
And that could mean some of the under performers in the top grade may accept Madge's challenge and show they are actually men and are prepared to be treated like men from now on, warts and all.

I dont think Madge is into cuddling his players, he's more like the Tom Terrific style of coach, ox hearts and all.

So the blokes that do need a cuddle can immediately go and play for Wayne Bennett or the nearest monastery even, where the priests will be only to happy to cuddle them to perform.

How did Madge end up with a squad full of players that aren’t Madge type players. That is the big question for me. Somethings rotten.

Could be a combo of things, cap, club rep, coach rep.

I guess that’s why we are going so hard with juniors

 

[Telltails]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Hallelujah

I don’t think it’s that simple tho.

You see in most successful teams their coach installs belief and enjoyment in the game.

Maguire hasn’t been able to do this his whole time here.

Our cap is skewed. Our most experienced and highest paid players are consistently inconsistent - a couple are not even in FG. The best teams have their leaders and best players as their most consistent and best performers and their salary reflects that.

 

[tony soprano]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Hallelujah

I don’t think it’s that simple tho.

You see in most successful teams their coach installs belief and enjoyment in the game.

Maguire hasn’t been able to do this his whole time here.

Our cap is skewed. Our most experienced and highest paid players are consistently inconsistent - a couple are not even in FG. The best teams have their leaders and best players as their most consistent and best performers and their salary reflects that.

Probably hasn’t help with team harmony

 

[tigerap]

Madge needs some decent assistants…like a Neil Henry type

 

[WT2K]

Madge needs some decent assistants…like a Neil Henry type

Michael Hagan

 

[TonyTiger]

Madge needs some decent assistants…like a Neil Henry type

Michael Hagan

Uri Geller

 

[The_Patriot]

Interesting to note Todd Payten calling out his senior playing roster after another loss.

Saying that besides one or two players the senior guys are not doing enough to play tough and help the younger players through the game.

Last week Maguire had the 'men' comment after months of public praise for his under performing senior roster. Seems Toddy is not as patient.

Both clubs have a very similar issue. Will be interesting to see how the respective coaches handle the situation and who achieves success.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Communication skills. DId you watch the pre-game dressing room scenes?

 

[BAGNF05]

Anyone who says Madge has not lost that team is kidding.

Go back and look at him talking and and the players actions and attention. There would have been more engagement if there was a rerun of MASH on a TV

Which players?

Looked like basically everyone in the room

Well I know douehi is a huge fan of Madge.
Laurie came here because of madge, as he was a souths fan growing up.
Brooksy is putting in under Madge
Blore came here because of Madge.
Seyfarth has improve 1000% under Madge
Ute is looking so fit under Madge

They are the core of the future team and one i worry about

If the others aren't listening to Madge. They can listen to Gardiner or start talking to other clubs.

Not going through another player mutiny again.
If you can't be bothered to help turn things around then see ya later

Spot on mate.

Team selections will be very interesting next week, might be a few tense meetings when Madge proposes to dump half our salary cap to the twos.

Spot on @BAGNF05.

I'm sure there will be changes.

There has to be changes or Madge wont have a leg to stand on.

But what sort of changes will there be?

After Madge Very Rightly challenged the Real Men to stand up, that was a challenge to every player whether in the NRL side or Magpie Reggie's.
And that could mean some of the under performers in the top grade may accept Madge's challenge and show they are actually men and are prepared to be treated like men from now on, warts and all.

I dont think Madge is into cuddling his players, he's more like the Tom Terrific style of coach, ox hearts and all.

So the blokes that do need a cuddle can immediately go and play for Wayne Bennett or the nearest monastery even, where the priests will be only to happy to cuddle them to perform.

How did Madge end up with a squad full of players that aren’t Madge type players. That is the big question for me. Somethings rotten.

Could be a combo of things, cap, club rep, coach rep.

I guess that’s why we are going so hard with juniors

I hope someone at the club knows the answer, maybe they could let members in on the secret.

 

[Telltails]

Interesting to note Todd Payten calling out his senior playing roster after another loss.

Saying that besides one or two players the senior guys are not doing enough to play tough and help the younger players through the game.

Last week Maguire had the 'men' comment after months of public praise for his under performing senior roster. Seems Toddy is not as patient.

Both clubs have a very similar issue. Will be interesting to see how the respective coaches handle the situation and who achieves success.

Neither will achieve success with their current rosters - they are simply not good enough.
Todd's already made errors due to his lack of patience. He exposed his best player in front of the media for not being effective, moved on Clifford and bought Dearden, and paid what seems ridiculous money for Chad Townsend.

 

[The_Patriot]

Interesting to note Todd Payten calling out his senior playing roster after another loss.

Saying that besides one or two players the senior guys are not doing enough to play tough and help the younger players through the game.

Last week Maguire had the 'men' comment after months of public praise for his under performing senior roster. Seems Toddy is not as patient.

Both clubs have a very similar issue. Will be interesting to see how the respective coaches handle the situation and who achieves success.

Neither will achieve success with their current rosters - they are simply not good enough.
Todd's already made errors due to his lack of patience. He exposed his best player in front of the media for not being effective, moved on Clifford and bought Dearden, and paid what seems ridiculous money for Chad Townsend.

Yep he has had a baptism of fire. A lot of due to his own short comings.

Still will be interesting to see how the two parallels play out lol

 

[GCfan]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Hallelujah

I don’t think it’s that simple tho.

You see in most successful teams their coach installs belief and enjoyment in the game.

Maguire hasn’t been able to do this his whole time here.

Do you think maybe it’s a case of not being able to make a silk purse from a Sow’s ear.

 

[GCfan]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Communication skills. DId you watch the pre-game dressing room scenes?

Yes i did. But us fans also only watch things without sound and without any context of what’s come before that snippet of footage to make an accurate judgement. Maybe Madge isn’t a good communicator but none of us truly know. How many weeks have you seen Madge blow up compared to appearing calm. How many times have you heard Madge publicly support the team and openly state he believes in this team as opposed to blow up and question their manhood? As I said, the niceties don’t work and people can say it’s because he can’t communicate but maybe it’s because many of the players won’t do what needs to be done and Madge has had a gutfull.

 

[Telltails]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Communication skills. DId you watch the pre-game dressing room scenes?

Yes i did. But us fans also only watch things without sound and without any context of what’s come before that snippet of footage to make an accurate judgement. Maybe Madge isn’t a good communicator but none of us truly know. How many weeks have you seen Madge blow up compared to appearing calm. How many times have you heard Madge publicly support the team and openly state he believes in this team as opposed to blow up and question their manhood? As I said, the niceties don’t work and people can say it’s because he can’t communicate but maybe it’s because many of the players won’t do what needs to be done and Madge has had a gutfull.

Well said.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

He is right. You can’t change a structure within a short space well it was about 15 days considering the origin break, however that all depends on how much free time they were given that first week. But what if Maguire looked at this game with the bye upcoming followed by a couple of attack minded sides in the Broncos then Manly, and thought we have a month to change it and we’ll test it out against the Bunnies.
The players were exposed in the game. They new what needed to change and improved it in the second half, maybe it’s a taste of what they need to do to improve.

Remembering St George got hammered by Souths in the charity shield in the same fashion we flogged Manly.

Griffen was asked about that and said, we’ll it’s a trial, we’ve worked on some stuff in the off-season and those structures and systems were put under intense pressure. But all in all it showed us where the improvement was needed.
Maybe the Souths game being mentally out of reach was an opportunity for our side to reset and test out some changes.


Except they didnt. Out of Madges mouth, they didn t follow the plan in the first half.

Communication appears to be the issue.

I was astounded Maguire didn't pick up during his dressing room pre-game rant that few if any players were listening to him.

Have a go at this Madge -

be credible - know your stuff
be believable - support with evidence
be interesting - find a unique angle
avoid negativity
enhance positively

So you’re questioning Madges credibility and knowledge of the game now, that’ll do me. And who is to say he’s not doing all of what you suggest already and the players simply aren’t getting it or are too thick to grasp it or more likely, don’t have the resolve to follow it because it’s too hard.

My kids and their mates are products of the whole don’t say anything negative and kiss their ass brigade at school that you appear to be supportive of and I tell you what it’s all total BS and breeds entitlement and people that think they can do what they like when they like and to whom they like without consequence.
Maguire tried the nice nice approach and it hasn’t worked so time to bring on full mongrel modem and make them wish nice Madge would come back

Communication skills. DId you watch the pre-game dressing room scenes?

Yes i did. But us fans also only watch things without sound and without any context of what’s come before that snippet of footage to make an accurate judgement. Maybe Madge isn’t a good communicator but none of us truly know. How many weeks have you seen Madge blow up compared to appearing calm. How many times have you heard Madge publicly support the team and openly state he believes in this team as opposed to blow up and question their manhood? As I said, the niceties don’t work and people can say it’s because he can’t communicate but maybe it’s because many of the players won’t do what needs to be done and Madge has had a gutfull.

Maguire has had nearly three years to improve our on-field performances. Note I have always made this distinction from winning games. We've gone backwards and our defence is pitiful. While blame can be apportioned to players, Maguire needs to take the greatest share.