Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[tiger_one]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

It is not a maybe, he contributes greatly to the club.

Thanks champion @cochise for that reassurance.
How actually though?

By giving the club money and asking for nothing in return.

I remember the years when Harry T was #1 ticket holder for the club.
The point about "where is he doing his bit by way of contribution" is to simply see a tangible use of his dollar contribution.
In what areas does he actually assist the club that can be made public?
(This would surely remove any doubts ppl have of his perceived lack of help to a struggling club.)

Harry T was also Balmain number 1 ticket holder for a long time in the 90's

And later on he was the same for the Wests Tigers too.

 

[cochise]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

It is not a maybe, he contributes greatly to the club.

Thanks champion @cochise for that reassurance.
How actually though?

By giving the club money and asking for nothing in return.

I remember the years when Harry T was #1 ticket holder for the club.
The point about "where is he doing his bit by way of contribution" is to simply see a tangible use of his dollar contribution.
In what areas does he actually assist the club that can be made public?
(This would surely remove any doubts ppl have of his perceived lack of help to a struggling club.)

Harry T was also Balmain number 1 ticket holder for a long time in the 90's

And later on he was the same for the Wests Tigers too.

So why are you questioning that he contributes?

 

[Geo]

Meriton still tips money in .. look at the dressing shed shots.. you see Meriton there..

Harry is also a patron to the Wests Tigers Foundaion..tax deductible

 

[tiger_one]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

It is not a maybe, he contributes greatly to the club.

Thanks champion @cochise for that reassurance.
How actually though?

By giving the club money and asking for nothing in return.

I remember the years when Harry T was #1 ticket holder for the club.
The point about "where is he doing his bit by way of contribution" is to simply see a tangible use of his dollar contribution.
In what areas does he actually assist the club that can be made public?
(This would surely remove any doubts ppl have of his perceived lack of help to a struggling club.)

Harry T was also Balmain number 1 ticket holder for a long time in the 90's

And later on he was the same for the Wests Tigers too.

So why are you questioning that he contributes?

I was wishing to clarify what areas of the club that he contributes towards, because there is a perception by many that they want more from him.
I do not fall into this, but was asking the "Dorothy Dix" question so that clarity might put the doomsayers to rest.
If it can be made sort of tangible, rather than "take my word, he does it" then there might be better understanding of both him and the club in their collaboration.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

It is not a maybe, he contributes greatly to the club.

Thanks champion @cochise for that reassurance.
How actually though?

By giving the club money and asking for nothing in return.

I remember the years when Harry T was #1 ticket holder for the club.
The point about "where is he doing his bit by way of contribution" is to simply see a tangible use of his dollar contribution.
In what areas does he actually assist the club that can be made public?
(This would surely remove any doubts ppl have of his perceived lack of help to a struggling club.)

Harry T was also Balmain number 1 ticket holder for a long time in the 90's

And later on he was the same for the Wests Tigers too.

I was not questioning that he was not a wests tigers number 1 ticket holder just pointing at he has been with the club (formerly balmain) for a long time including Merriton sponsorship of balmain in the 90's. He has a solid history of support for the club over 30 years

 

[tiger_one]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

It is not a maybe, he contributes greatly to the club.

Thanks champion @cochise for that reassurance.
How actually though?

By giving the club money and asking for nothing in return.

I remember the years when Harry T was #1 ticket holder for the club.
The point about "where is he doing his bit by way of contribution" is to simply see a tangible use of his dollar contribution.
In what areas does he actually assist the club that can be made public?
(This would surely remove any doubts ppl have of his perceived lack of help to a struggling club.)

Harry T was also Balmain number 1 ticket holder for a long time in the 90's

And later on he was the same for the Wests Tigers too.

I was not questioning that he was not a wests tigers number 1 ticket holder just pointing at he has been with the club (formerly balmain) for a long time including Merriton sponsorship of balmain in the 90's. He has a solid history of support for the club over 30 years

Absolutely with you there and not questioning Harry's long term support of the Tigers.

 

[TrueTiger]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

When he does …. He gets criticises …. When he doesn’t ….. he gets criticised. Bloke can’t win.
Some fans on here are great at trying to kill off people that try and help.

 

[2005magic]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

When he does …. He gets criticises …. When he doesn’t ….. he gets criticised. Bloke can’t win.
Some fans on here are great at trying to kill off people that try and help.

Im sorry but I cant recall any times he has been criticised for contributing. Can you please elaborate?

 

[TrueTiger]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

When he does …. He gets criticises …. When he doesn’t ….. he gets criticised. Bloke can’t win.
Some fans on here are great at trying to kill off people that try and help.

The big thing is that HT contributes financially to the club...whatever the Admin do with the distribution of that money throughout the club is on them...HT contributes and myself I am personally grateful to him for that ...and I dont personally know the man....

 

[cochise]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

It is not a maybe, he contributes greatly to the club.

Thanks champion @cochise for that reassurance.
How actually though?

By giving the club money and asking for nothing in return.

I remember the years when Harry T was #1 ticket holder for the club.
The point about "where is he doing his bit by way of contribution" is to simply see a tangible use of his dollar contribution.
In what areas does he actually assist the club that can be made public?
(This would surely remove any doubts ppl have of his perceived lack of help to a struggling club.)

Harry T was also Balmain number 1 ticket holder for a long time in the 90's

And later on he was the same for the Wests Tigers too.

So why are you questioning that he contributes?

I was wishing to clarify what areas of the club that he contributes towards, because there is a perception by many that they want more from him.
I do not fall into this, but was asking the "Dorothy Dix" question so that clarity might put the doomsayers to rest.
If it can be made sort of tangible, rather than "take my word, he does it" then there might be better understanding of both him and the club in their collaboration.

Honestly, I don't know where the money goes that he puts in, but he definitely does.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Hey dudes anyone know when sheens will be on Australian shores?

The club has been having a lot of trouble getting him on a flight home.

Surely Harry T could chip in for a private flight back to Oz. Seriously, this bloke's rep as a financial Tigers supporter has to surely be non existent. Maybe Brydens Lawyers could fill the void and stump up the cash.

He is a big contributor to the club, just doesn't seek anything in return.

Maybe but he never ever takes the front foot with something like this where he could make the difference does he? Why doesnt he publicly suggest it to the club?

When he does …. He gets criticises …. When he doesn’t ….. he gets criticised. Bloke can’t win.
Some fans on here are great at trying to kill off people that try and help.

Im sorry but I cant recall any times he has been criticised for contributing. Can you please elaborate?

Think about it. Not just $s ?

 

[rihannafan1]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

 

[TrueTiger]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

 

[twentyforty]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

I’ve supported Madge because, I don’t believe in continually sacking coaches because the players aren’t winning games, and reserving my opinion until I’ve seen all of the ‘Wild Wests” doco. Initially it appeared Madge had a supportive style, removing impediments to peak performance, such as getting a players eyes checked so he would stop dropping the ball, then part 1 showed his autocratic side. It’s clear he doesn’t have the luxury of coaching a team of highly talented and experienced players, so his style may have been more visionary and demanding “Wests Tigers are always in a f..... game.” I think the really good coaches are more liaises faire and supportive, with a focus on removing anything which prevents a player from achieving his full potential, but in order to be that coach it needs a few leaders in the team. The team needs to learn how to manage the coach (in a positive way) as much as the coach needs to manage the team. If we sack Madge, we’ll never get to see how good he is.

 

[tony soprano]

Never have and never will trust madge s team selections.

 

[kiwitiger]

I find it interesting a lot of people that support madge use the: we have sacked so many coaches in the past as a reason to keep him. To me that is irrelevant and infact the only question is, do you see madge as the man to turn this around? If you support him you have to think yes to that question.
I don't think he is but if you think he cant turn this around and don't sack him we are going to waste 2 more years.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Big day for Madge today

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

 

[TrueTiger]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....