Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[avocadoontoast]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

So do you think he genuinely believed he could get the squad into the finals? He may love the club but he loves his job more. His experience of being white anted at Souths led him to surrounding himself with incompetent assistants here who were no threat to him. That was not in the best interests of the club.

Yes. It’s how successful people think. That’s not to say they cant fail along the way.

Yes, but they can be held accountable for those failures.

Of course. I just disagree with how it’s been handled.
To drag it through the media (no matter what side you align with) IMO is grubby.

With that I agree with you 100%. This thing has been handled really poorly and he deserved better.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

So do you think he genuinely believed he could get the squad into the finals? He may love the club but he loves his job more. His experience of being white anted at Souths led him to surrounding himself with incompetent assistants here who were no threat to him. That was not in the best interests of the club.

Yes. It’s how successful people think. That’s not to say they cant fail along the way.

Yes, but they can be held accountable for those failures.

Of course. I just disagree with how it’s been handled.
To drag it through the media (no matter what side you align with) IMO is grubby.

With that I agree with you 100%. This thing has been handled really poorly and he deserved better.

We have form with that. Farah, Woods/Tedesco, Potter, Moses.

We wonder why we are not an attractive club to play for...

 

[Tiger5150]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

So do you think he genuinely believed he could get the squad into the finals? He may love the club but he loves his job more. His experience of being white anted at Souths led him to surrounding himself with incompetent assistants here who were no threat to him. That was not in the best interests of the club.

Mate, if Robbie doesnt break his leg a week out, we probably beat Cronulla and make the finals. He went close.

I dont understand the focus on this statement. He very nearly did make the finals with that squad.

Zero chance since

 

[coivtny]

One of the best suggestions (well it was actually someone who emailed him) that Paul Kent has made was getting Alastair Clarkson as an independent consultant. He is a winner, knows how to innovate in modern sport (actually brought in elements of soccer & hockey into AFL) & is HUGE on culture & development. Look at how he took Hawthorn from a shambles in 2004 to one of the most successful sporting franchises of the modern era ... firstly getting buy-in to a 'family culture' with a young squad in 2005.

Great idea.

 

[jirskyr]

Madge can not stay, simple as that. You can quote past glories or examples all you like but their all anomalies in this instance. Arthur for example at parra, took over when they were wooden spooners, started very slow his first 2-3 years and now they’re a consistent top 6 team. In those troubling years the team improved, we haven’t at all.

This is actually the prime example for the absolute opposite of what you are arguing.

Brad Arthur took over a wooden spoon side and got them to 10th. Then they went 12th and 14th, before coming 4th in his 4th season. They then won another wooden spoon in Arthur's 5th season.

The transition from 16th to 10th is alright, same as Madge initially kept us at 9th in his first year. Madge obviously ran 9th, 11th, 13th - not good, but still it's the EXACT same progression as Brad Arthur, 1 place improved.

So Brad Arthur is the exact example for keeping a coach on despite a progressively worse year-end ladder result. It shows that a coach can in fact radically turn a team's performances around, if he's the right coach and if the club persists with him long enough. Ricky Stuart at Canberra is another example of playing the long-game with an experienced coach, despite early bad results.

 

[jirskyr]

Well done FOX, write rubbish about us and get that wrong too lol
Zac Rayson from Fox Sports
September 20th, 2021 8:39 pm


Not a big fan of Phil Kent, nor Paul Rothfield!

 

[avocadoontoast]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

So do you think he genuinely believed he could get the squad into the finals? He may love the club but he loves his job more. His experience of being white anted at Souths led him to surrounding himself with incompetent assistants here who were no threat to him. That was not in the best interests of the club.

Mate, if Robbie doesnt break his leg a week out, we probably beat Cronulla and make the finals. He went close.

I dont understand the focus on this statement. He very nearly did make the finals with that squad.

Zero chance since

That's kind of my point. He went close in the first year with an inherited squad, but the more time he's been there the worse we've become, even with more influence over recruitment.

 

[jirskyr]

Whether he goes or stays the one undeniable thing has been the utter incompetence displayed by the all above him. He has been treated disgracefully in the last few days and once again the club is on it's knees.

I'm curious who.leaks all this stuff all the time. Yes the media will.know there is a meeting but they shouldn't know any particulars. Roosters or Storm you wouldn't here anything about Thier meetings.

No need for leaks when you are consistently top of the pile. An indicator of either a strong leader or leadership group, plus the lack of scrutiny/pressure when a team is winning.

Tigers, Warriors, Titans, St George, Sharks, Bulldogs, Eels - always leaks.

 

[Needaname]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this is his team.

Then sack Brooks too. Get rid of them both.

We sack Maguire and we're stuck with Brooks. He will have yet another reprieve until at least the end of next season IMO.

Why? They're not linked. The new coach might think he's rubbish.

Potter, JT, Ivan, and Madge have all tried to fix him. He's on a big contract so he's hard to move. The odds are another coach will try and do the same.

Madge shouldn't have signed him to a 5 year deal.

It was a three year extension.

 

[jirskyr]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

He said he could get the squad to the finals and according to a lot of people on here everyone would say that, knowing its not true to get the job.

The next applicant should just say I can’t do anything with this rabble..

I would have no problem with a candidate identifying problems and giving a plan to fix it, but we need to be careful as that is how we ended up with Taylor lol

I think you are overly fixated on what a candidate may or may not have said during the job interview.

For example I don't think it matters one iota if Madge was convinced (or lied) that he could make the finals with the roster he was given for 2019; and let's all be frank he almost managed that finals appearance bar an inept performance against the Sharks (and still, by today's measure, only a 17 pt loss).

The coach should be judged on their actual performances, not the pitch made when they got the job. As you noted, the alleged pitch from Jason Taylor was very impressive and didn't amount to anything in real-world outcomes.

So if Madge went into his job interview and said "can't make the finals with this roster, it's a rebuild and I'll need 5 years" - and if the Board accepted that and hired him nonetheless, he'd still be under the same pressure right now as he would if he'd promised a premiership.

In fact, given that WT extended Madge last year, after not making the finals twice - we must assume there were revised discussions about his long-term plan and just how much of a rebuild was actually going on. The current contract foundation is the coach extension review/conversation, not the original Ivan-takeover pitch.

 

[cochise]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

He said he could get the squad to the finals and according to a lot of people on here everyone would say that, knowing its not true to get the job.

The next applicant should just say I can’t do anything with this rabble..

I would have no problem with a candidate identifying problems and giving a plan to fix it, but we need to be careful as that is how we ended up with Taylor lol

I think you are overly fixated on what a candidate may or may not have said during the job interview.

For example I don't think it matters one iota if Madge was convinced (or lied) that he could make the finals with the roster he was given for 2019; and let's all be frank he almost managed that finals appearance bar an inept performance against the Sharks (and still, by today's measure, only a 17 pt loss).

The coach should be judged on their actual performances, not the pitch made when they got the job. As you noted, the alleged pitch from Jason Taylor was very impressive and didn't amount to anything in real-world outcomes.

So if Madge went into his job interview and said "can't make the finals with this roster, it's a rebuild and I'll need 5 years" - and if the Board accepted that and hired him nonetheless, he'd still be under the same pressure right now as he would if he'd promised a premiership.

In fact, given that WT extended Madge last year, after not making the finals twice - we must assume there were revised discussions about his long-term plan and just how much of a rebuild was actually going on. The current contract foundation is the coach extension review/conversation, not the original Ivan-takeover pitch.

I'm not really concerned over what he did or didn't say, it was an exaggerated response, I have stated that a number of times. I do have concerns regarding his coaching that I have stated a number of times. Madge is not the way forward.

 

[yeahcaz]

Madge can not stay, simple as that. You can quote past glories or examples all you like but their all anomalies in this instance. Arthur for example at parra, took over when they were wooden spooners, started very slow his first 2-3 years and now they’re a consistent top 6 team. In those troubling years the team improved, we haven’t at all.

This is actually the prime example for the absolute opposite of what you are arguing.

Brad Arthur took over a wooden spoon side and got them to 10th. Then they went 12th and 14th, before coming 4th in his 4th season. They then won another wooden spoon in Arthur's 5th season.

The transition from 16th to 10th is alright, same as Madge initially kept us at 9th in his first year. Madge obviously ran 9th, 11th, 13th - not good, but still it's the EXACT same progression as Brad Arthur, 1 place improved.

So Brad Arthur is the exact example for keeping a coach on despite a progressively worse year-end ladder result. It shows that a coach can in fact radically turn a team's performances around, if he's the right coach and if the club persists with him long enough. Ricky Stuart at Canberra is another example of playing the long-game with an experienced coach, despite early bad results.

In those seasons were they finished poorly they at lest improved as a team and their roster was terrible. In Arthur’s 4th season I’m sure they recruited better than we have madges 4th season

 

[tigerbalm]

One of the best suggestions (well it was actually someone who emailed him) that Paul Kent has made was getting Alastair Clarkson as an independent consultant. He is a winner, knows how to innovate in modern sport (actually brought in elements of soccer & hockey into AFL) & is HUGE on culture & development. Look at how he took Hawthorn from a shambles in 2004 to one of the most successful sporting franchises of the modern era ... firstly getting buy-in to a 'family culture' with a young squad in 2005.

I like the idea, not sure if it would work but Clarkson really turned Hawthorn around and drove the dynasty period.
I was actually hoping the Pies would pick him up but looks like he is not coaching next year.

 

[JC99]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

So do you think he genuinely believed he could get the squad into the finals? He may love the club but he loves his job more. His experience of being white anted at Souths led him to surrounding himself with incompetent assistants here who were no threat to him. That was not in the best interests of the club.

Mate, if Robbie doesnt break his leg a week out, we probably beat Cronulla and make the finals. He went close.

I dont understand the focus on this statement. He very nearly did make the finals with that squad.

Zero chance since

That's kind of my point. He went close in the first year with an inherited squad, but the more time he's been there the worse we've become, even with more influence over recruitment.

The longer he's coached them the worse they've got, Madge hasn't made his mark on the squad at ALL

He's had 3 years now and they look clueless - if a coach can't get a team playing his style of footy within 3 years then there's clearly an issue. They look like a team who's been put together yesterday and had 3 training session

 

[Needaname]

Potter and Taylor could not coach

Brooks won rookie of the year under potter.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?

He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.

So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?

If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.

We offered Latrel $1.2M?

And he ran for the hills, didn’t want to be a one man band at an amateur operation.

I thought the cap was stuffed? We haven't spent to the cap while he has been here.

So the cap wasn’t stuffed because we failed to sign Latrell?

It doesn't really matter now which name was/is on the end the offer, what does is that @cochise stated the money was there whether it be Mitchell, JAC, TPJ or whomever the high profile target was.

But it's still a fact that our cap was severely skewed by Packer, Mbye, Reynolds. If we did sign Latrell there would have been bugger all money left over for the balance of the squad. Being able to afford one high profile player doesn't mean our cap situation was fine.

I can only recall our cap being in a decent place once in the last decade or so and that was when the traitor arrived. Pascoe signed off on that recruitment and then the mate he hired back-doored us after getting reasonable mileage out of them.

Maguire chose to come with eyes wide open and has failed with a squad he said he could work with, along with that from the retention and recruitment since.

9th in 2019, 11th in 2020, 13th in 2021 conceding 30 points a match, so time to go and he shouldn't be the only one.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Potter and Taylor could not coach

Brooks won rookie of the year under potter.

And alongside Anasta.

 

[supercoach]

The way I see it the club has two options and everyday they delay making the call the more damage is being done that may be difficult to repair.

Option one…sack Madge and appoint a new coach, and hope like hell the new coach will be able to attract winners and turn the joint around.

Option Two…Keep Madge, get behind him and back him 100%, get him a proven defensive coach as a assistant and get him a attacking coach who also has runs on the board. They also have to make sure Madge is happy to have Sheens over seeing the joint, and if Hartigan is still around, Madge and him have to patch up their working relationship.

Option A looks the easy fix, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t, and we have been down this track so many times and got the same result.

 

[yeahcaz]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

While you don't seem to attribute Club leadership and management as having any influence in Maguire "failing", then you're going to be disappointed in 2022 and beyond with whomever the new coach is as they will be "failing" too if those same structural and leadership issues remain as they are, in my opinion.

Our appalling defence for example is Maguire. Conceding 30 points a game and players not knowing what they are supposed to be doing. We're so passive in defence. He's only had 3 years to "fix it" and you want to give him another 2 years?

We've steadily regressed over the last three years. That is also entirely on Maguire.

It is time for a new coach, new ideas, a much improved defence and some hope for the future.

For two years Maguires squad was hamstrung by players taking up the majority of cap space who contributed squat. No coach can have success where your highest paid players don't contribute.
All week we have been listening to the poor Roosters with so much of their cap on the sideline yet they still fielded a team with Teddy Radley JWH Tupuonia Crichton - and got 42 points put on them. For us to get just two of those players would blow our cap out of the water and yet that is their weak side. Any of those players in our team on any given week would have significantly improved our performance. That is what our club competes against and that impacts on the coach.

Maguire was never going to be able to turn things around on the field for us individually in three years even your man Cleary said it would take 5 or so years.
This year's side is full of inconsistencies because of their youth, inexperience and lack of leadership on the field. They finished where most predicted and based on the rosters of the sides above them you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could argue that we have a better squad.
Maguire has not got results and will be the fall guy but he is not the singular reason for our results this year, and your failure to acknowledge that is tiresome. Add to that the lack of respect our club has shown him in recent days, is a reflection of why this club is in the position we are in and why we are consistently in a holding pattern.

Madge said he could win with the squad he had?

And Luke Brooks has said this his team.

So sack them both, that is what happens when people set targets that they don not reach.

There seems to be only one head on the chopping block - yet accountability for continual failure at the club seems to escape some more than others.

Because he needs to be the 1st domino to fall. Hopefully the next coach doesn't need to lie to get the job.

What was the lie?

That he said he could get the existing roster to finals

IMO having belief in yourself and a bunch of young athletes, so called professionals, however ignorant or ill placed, is hardly lying.

But he's changed that narrative. For the first two years he said he could get the club to finals. Now this year when he got under pressure he came out with the "not my roster" line.

I just think that calling him a lier suggests he intentionally deceived which is not what I think his narrative is about. I honestly think he loves the club and is doing everything he can to make it better.

So do you think he genuinely believed he could get the squad into the finals? He may love the club but he loves his job more. His experience of being white anted at Souths led him to surrounding himself with incompetent assistants here who were no threat to him. That was not in the best interests of the club.

Mate, if Robbie doesnt break his leg a week out, we probably beat Cronulla and make the finals. He went close.

I dont understand the focus on this statement. He very nearly did make the finals with that squad.

Zero chance since

That's kind of my point. He went close in the first year with an inherited squad, but the more time he's been there the worse we've become, even with more influence over recruitment.

The longer he's coached them the worse they've got, Madge hasn't made his mark on the squad at ALL

He's had 3 years now and they look clueless - if a coach can't get a team playing his style of footy within 3 years then there's clearly an issue. They look like a team who's been put together yesterday and had 3 training session

Biggest thing everyone says about us is we have no identity, on and off the field. I would like to be enlightened to what a Madge team plays like.

 

[yeahcaz]

The way I see it the club has two options and everyday they delay making the call the more damage is being done that may be difficult to repair.

Option one…sack Madge and appoint a new coach, and hope like hell the new coach will be able to attract winners and turn the joint around.

Option Two…Keep Madge, get behind him and back him 100%, get him a proven defensive coach as a assistant and get him a attacking coach who also has runs on the board. They also have to make sure Madge is happy to have Sheens over seeing the joint, and if Hartigan is still around, Madge and him have to patch up their working relationship.

Option A looks the easy fix, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t, and we have been down this track so many times and got the same result.

So here’s the biggest worry with option A. By keeping him now, our clueless board will expect immediate results next season which is next to no chance of happening with the same squad and coach and if he is sacked at any point for next season, our recruitment for 2023 is ruined before it even starts. We can start recruiting in a months time and no one is going to sign for a club that can’t guarantee its coaches safety, especially if that team is the tigers