Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[diedpretty]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

Why was the cancelled board meeting embarrassing?

I find it embarrassing because it was a knee-jerk reaction to media reports and another back-flip by the club. It makes the board look spineless and indecisive because they can’t make a decision and allow that decision to be scrutinised. No matter what field you’re in any decision will likely be criticised but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be decisive. It just means that you should have the rationale and evidence to augment any decisions/stance. This seems lost on the board.

Madge presented to the Football committee yesterday and the board decided to think on it over night, it doesn't mean there was a backflip.

I felt the board lost their nerve after criticism from the media. I get the board needed to consider Madge’s response but I can’t see how Madge’s response would have differed that greatly to the commentary/feedback he gave during the review process.

The meeting was cancelled because after consideration of Madges response to the things the board wanted to put in place a decision was made - there was no need for a meeting. The rest was just media beatup to keep their agenda fuelled.

 

[Masterton]

The club made Maguire eligible to sing with the Castrati thinking that his pride wouldn’t allow it.
However cuck Maguire realises that he currently has no coaching future with another club due to his failure.

Whenever people are obsessed with saying "cuck", I can't stop thinking of all the other idiots who can't stop saying it. There's a real pattern. Without looking at your history, I'm guessing you're just dirty Madge wasn't sacked?

It will be interesting to see how they work together. I'm sure Sheens will have some input (why have him otherwise?), but I doubt he will be very hands on.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

In the statement released on Tuesday Pascoe said: “We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new centre of excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.”
Firstly, we think he means “poised” to reap – not posed (SIC).

Clear enough then that the official Tigers word goes through the SMH and no official comments are provided to Pooper and Fox, because he's quoting off the official statement that everyone received.

Where does Pooper get off calling out someone else's typos? I imagine Pascoe doesn't have an editor to catch all his mistakes like Pooper does. What a scumbag dope.

I'm still trying to work out who Phil Kent is from Poopers article yesterday..

Mates with Paul Rothfield.

 

[240z]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

What do you suggest?

The tough guy act didn't work as the players all sulked and brought out their egg shells nonsense.

The nice guy act didn't work either, seemed forced and fake, as seen on the doco.

Needs to just smarten up, bring in some big gun assistants and start shopping around the problem players that think they own the club. Until then, he's on the same track as the last 3 years.

The biggest thing he needs is a string leadership group to drive madges standards and do the talking for madge.

Finucane would if been great.
But from what's available now, I'd make sims a priority.

Give farah a greater role in coaching.

And bring in a young assistant. Gardiner? Hodge? Burgess?

Anyone been watching Sam Burgess on SAS? Natural born leader- you can see why he was a gun player.
Should send Brooks off to do that programme over the off season.

If there are limited options on available players with leadership on the market then not a bad option to target some gun recent ex players with high level leadership and passion to add to the coaching staff somewhere to mentor the young guys with standards, passion, resilience.

Maybe even some left field options with people from other successful code teams to add some guidance, eg an Alastair Clarkson type.

From that article that was posted earlier regarding Garry Jack’s comments, they could certainly better engage with some of the old boys to get around the group. Jumper presentations, mentoring, come to training, helping to convey the history and beat parts of successful cultures of previous teams. Reinforce the identity of the club.

I do a lot of work with West Harbour Rugby and we always encourage the old boys to come back and assist the club. They are part of the clubs history and makes a huge difference and impact on the younger players. This year we had 3 or 4 ex players who are in the current Australian team come back to train with the boys for a few weeks. Their mentoring and support of the boys was great to see. The Tigers can do the same but the Old Boys have to be relevant to todays game and this is where I struggle to identify anyone from the Tigers in the past 10 years who would actually provide direction and support. These Old Boys need to have the respect of the players for it to be any advantage. Apart from Farah I can't think of anyone who fits the bill?

 

[Pascoes_barber]

The club made Maguire eligible to sing with the Castrati thinking that his pride wouldn’t allow it.
However cuck Maguire realises that he currently has no coaching future with another club due to his failure.

Whenever people are obsessed with saying "cuck", I can't stop thinking of all the other idiots who can't stop saying it. There's a real pattern. Without looking at your history, I'm guessing you're just dirty Madge wasn't sacked?

It will be interesting to see how they work together. I'm sure Sheens will have some input (why have him otherwise?), but I doubt he will be very hands on.

Yeah, I don't think Sheens was brought over to bang his wife (was this discussed in the board meeting?), so 'cuck' probably doesn't apply here.

 

[Devon Head]

Robbo congratulated Madge, calling him a fine coach on NRL360. Respected figure in the game. Now let him whip this roster into shape.

The roster he put together?

Whatever mate, half the marquee money was paid to major duds that hardly took the field. The young guys he did attract played well.

What’s been done with that money now it’s freed up?

If he signs whatever half-decent players that are currently available (Sims, Elliot, Peachy, Scott/Burns/Walker) and they don't work out people will be queuing to jump down his neck for those signings. But there isn't much else out there. So it's a bit of a hiding to nothing for him recruitment-wise for season '22.

4 or 5 of those players would bolster our team significantly IMO.


There was though. JAC, Finucane etc, and he couldn’t sign them either.

Tbf wouldn't really put Finucane on the list of targets they went after and missed out on. Tigers offered 3yrs Sharks offered 4. IMO he would have been a dud buy for 4yrs. If he's even still playing in 3yrs time let alone at a decent level I'd be surprised. I'm more impressed the Tigers didn't go into an all out bidding war to get him.

 

[happy_tiger]

I thought that was a pretty decent interview by Lee.

The most interesting part being him letting the board know in no uncertain terms that releasing information to the media was not on.

its one thing to do these sort of interviews and be in the media spotlight. Some criticise him for it but its a whole other thing for board members to be leaking sensitive information to the media about the workings and intentions of the club.

I hope those board members responsible have a good hard look at them selves.

They are part of the problem at this club. You cant run a tight ship with guys like that releasing sensitive and confidential information to the media.

If Lee didn't say and do such stupid crap behind the scenes no one would have anything to leak to the media

He was the one spruiking about sacking the coach behind the scenes

From what I heard he was the one who approached Ciraldo .....( yes Lee your a liar )

Just shut your fat trap Lee ...you know nothing about rugby league ...just a supporter who bought his way on to the board .....

 

[fibrodreaming]

Apart from Farah I can’t think of anyone who fits the bill?

Rowdy

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Apart from Farah I can’t think of anyone who fits the bill?

Rowdy

Absolutely. Wouldn't blame Rowdy if he didn't want to ever step through the doors again for us though. We wasted his career.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

I'm not sure how well Maguire and Sheens know each other or how they get along.

Interestingly, Tim coached Michael for much of his playing career (admittedly not many games) at the Raiders.

 

[Guest]

Robbo congratulated Madge, calling him a fine coach on NRL360. Respected figure in the game. Now let him whip this roster into shape.

The roster he put together?

Whatever mate, half the marquee money was paid to major duds that hardly took the field. The young guys he did attract played well.

What’s been done with that money now it’s freed up?

If he signs whatever half-decent players that are currently available (Sims, Elliot, Peachy, Scott/Burns/Walker) and they don't work out people will be queuing to jump down his neck for those signings. But there isn't much else out there. So it's a bit of a hiding to nothing for him recruitment-wise for season '22.

4 or 5 of those players would bolster our team significantly IMO.


There was though. JAC, Finucane etc, and he couldn’t sign them either.

Didn't Finucane fall through because WT didn't want to give him the 4 year deal he was chasing (and got at Sharks)?
Happy we didn't go ahead with him for 4 years, Sharks will be lucky to get more than 1 year out of him on-field with all the head knocks he's been getting. JAC, meh, he's been on the decline a bit this year, IMO he will struggle at the Bulldogs just like he more than likely would of here. $700k or whatever he is on per season.

That's correct, we didn't fall for that trap - I'll be stunned if Finucane is still playing well in 3 years time let alone 4.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Hypocritical of Lee to criticise certain people of playing out things in the media. He seems to love doing that himself.

Yeah funny that …. But than he is the Chairman of WT and as such is entitled to provide feedback to the media. I think he adequately explained the Clubs position and the background to this whole matter.
The Media got it wrong and seeing them yesterday trying to squirm their way out the pool of misinformation they presented was good to see.

 

[Curaeus]

Hypocritical of Lee to criticise certain people of playing out things in the media. He seems to love doing that himself.

Certainly doesn’t hate seeing his name in the papers, I would prefer a bit less yapping from him it’s been more destabilising than anything.

I think Lee is well intentioned but the interview he gave last night to explain why the Madge saga played out as it did was unnecessary and just added to the club's embarrassment over the whole drawn out saga.

 

[Devon Head]

Apart from Farah I can’t think of anyone who fits the bill?

Rowdy

Absolutely. Wouldn't blame Rowdy if he didn't want to ever step through the doors again for us though. We wasted his career.

Pat Richards would be another I'd love to see involved more with the club.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Apart from Farah I can’t think of anyone who fits the bill?

Rowdy

Absolutely. Wouldn't blame Rowdy if he didn't want to ever step through the doors again for us though. We wasted his career.

Pat Richards would be another I'd love to see involved more with the club.

He was goalkicking coach for a bit, wasn't he?

 

[PJ_]

The first team meeting should be fun when the play ing group is addressed by Coach Sheens and cuck Maguire.

Awkward.


That is your interpretation and like all of your previous interpretations probably wrong

It's very weird that Madge is the "coach" yet he will be constantly overlooked by Sheens. Doesn't seem like a recipe to success to me

Sheens hasn't been a successful coach In about a decade as well which isn't great


From what i have read Sheens actual position in regards to the coaching staff has not been set in stone.I do agree that pinning any hopes on Sheens coaching ability is a concern, as you quite rightly state Sheens has not been a succesful coach in a decade and in my opinion should not in any way be "hands on" in regards to the coaching

I see you're confused so let me clear it up for you.
Sheens is the boss.
The head honcho.
The guvnor.
He who must be obeyed.
My wife.
The chief.

Cuck Maguire reports to him.

Haha Cuck Maguire.
You sir, win the forum.

 

[cochise]

Apart from Farah I can’t think of anyone who fits the bill?

Rowdy

Absolutely. Wouldn't blame Rowdy if he didn't want to ever step through the doors again for us though. We wasted his career.

Pat Richards would be another I'd love to see involved more with the club.

Both Rowdy and Pat Richards are employed by the club. It is weird, we use our former players so poorly, you never ever hear from any of them, even the ones employed by the club. We have a wealth of former players who would talk positively about the club and counter some of the negative rubbish that gets driven by Blocker, Benny and co. Using our own former players will build the identity of the club, at the moment it is like a player stops playing for us and they cease to exist. I spoke to Galloway at an Ambush event earlier in the year and asked him about his current involvement and he said he absolutely no involvement with the club but you could tell there was a desire to be involved.

Why isn't the club using these guys to generate positive stories about the club.

 

[Tiger5150]

Hypocritical of Lee to criticise certain people of playing out things in the media. He seems to love doing that himself.

Certainly doesn’t hate seeing his name in the papers, I would prefer a bit less yapping from him it’s been more destabilising than anything.

Also Tigers Fans: Why doesnt the Club come out and tell us what is going on.....

 

[gallagher]

Apart from Farah I can’t think of anyone who fits the bill?

Rowdy

Absolutely. Wouldn't blame Rowdy if he didn't want to ever step through the doors again for us though. We wasted his career.

Pat Richards would be another I'd love to see involved more with the club.

Both Rowdy and Pat Richards are employed by the club. It is weird, we use our former players so poorly, you never ever hear from any of them, even the ones employed by the club. We have a wealth of former players who would talk positively about the club and counter some of the negative rubbish that gets driven by Blocker, Benny and co. Using our own former players will build the identity of the club, at the moment it is like a player stops playing for us and they cease to exist. I spoke to Galloway at an Ambush event earlier in the year and asked him about his current involvement and he said he absolutely no involvement with the club but you could tell there was a desire to be involved.

Why isn't the club using these guys to generate positive stories about the club.

Because we're run by nimrods?