Meyer: cambo has once last chance

I don't believe for one second that every WT fan that resides in the Macarthur is of the kind on the Magpies forum who want to see a return of the Magpies, 12 games a year at CSS and the death of WT. A better commitment to the area is needed, coupled with some sustained on field success to draw the region in. Sport wise, Sydney fans are fickle by nature and want to see their team win or at the very least compete in return for their hard earned.

All Manly home games going forward should be at CSS for the very obvious reasons, with at least another Sydney side to play there. If we are playing well, Leichhardt will get decent crowds irrespective of whom we're playing. Unfortunately while ANZ are paying us to play, they get first dibs on all quality opponents in Sydney so an equitable distribution of the remaining quality opposition is required at LO and CSS. This is something that should ensure both regions see quality football and enjoy bumper crowds as a result.
 
Some excellent comments have been made and it is clear this is a real issue. And the 6500 crowd raises many questions too.

It may not have rained during the game but there was certainly a very real threat of a good soaking. How many people decided they did not want to risk standing in the rain again? Or at best being on sodden turf?

And how many who attended weren't counted? This theory seems to be building. Certainly on the TV the crowd sounded quite loud - but the uncovered seating and grass areas were very empty (indicative of weather-related attendance). Let's say the real crowd was 9,500… would that be considered a pass mark? Would we still be talking about it?

If merchandise sales were high that could indicate a better crowd than recorded. Or a new strip? It would be interesting to know what the break-down of merchandise sales was for the night.

No doubt Mayer sounded frustrated but it might have been a good time to put that comment in the top draw and visit it later rather than reacting immediately. I wonder if he would do the same again? I doubt he would purposefully fudge the figure though.

Conspiracy theories or reasons, unfortunately we probably won't ever find out which.
 
According to Mayer the 6500 includea failed scans. People who's card didn't scan were counted at the gate
 
@barra said:
No doubt Mayer sounded frustrated but it might have been a good time to put that comment in the top draw and visit it later rather than reacting immediately. I wonder if he would do the same again? I doubt he would purposefully fudge the figure though.
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I don't think figures have been "fudged" deliberately, but if tickets are not being scanned, then it is an operational issue.

It could be that our club faces the incredible challenge of not being able to count crowd numbers and sound off a half time siren. Still, all problems can be solved. We just need that phantom siren guy and those photographers from the ARL/SL war that took panaromic photos of crowds.
 
Wests Tigers have been around for 15 years. While the club should honor its history and tradition and be thankful for the die hard supporters on both sides of fence the reality is that our long term future depends on those kids who have no Balmain or Wests influence.

Of course we need to stand behind our combined tradition and support these traditional grounds but an average home crowd somewhere around 15,000 is essential for survival.

I think someone mentioned the Liverpool stadium proposal, that should be our focus.

16 pages of passion but at the end of the day the last thing you would want is for the club to implement policy based on any of the dinosaur opinions found here.

If Meyer isnt upsetting us he probably isnt doing his job.

Interesting read though :smiley:
 
I don't get it when people say the only reason we play games at Leichhardt and Cambo is because of tradition. We play there cos they are the areas the club represents. Its like saying Parra and Penrith only play where they play cos of tradition.
 
I agree with most written on this and agree that its good for once not to have the Balmain V Wests stuff cloud the real issue and debate needed. I think the belief that everyone in the macarthur area are WM or WT fans is also an issue and agree that the magpies demise pre the merger illustrates this. As much as i love LO and CSS the reality is we need a home base that makes money and satisfies the "majority" of fans and sponsors and neither LO or CSS tick all the boxes. I hate ANZ but think it is the best bet (geographically for all fans as opposed to the SFS) with potentially a 2 and 2 split at LO and CSS which would surely see decent crowds due to the "special event" type scenario. Perhaps a centre of excellence @ CSS to satisfy those that feel the WT owe them more!!

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I agree with most written on this and agree that its good for once not to have the Balmain V Wests stuff cloud the real issue and debate needed. I think the belief that everyone in the macarthur area are WM or WT fans is also an issue and agree that the magpies demise pre the merger illustrates this. As much as i love LO and CSS the reality is we need a home base that makes money and satisfies the "majority" of fans and sponsors and neither LO or CSS tick all the boxes. I hate ANZ but think it is the best bet (geographically for all fans as opposed to the SFS) with potentially a 2 and 2 split at LO and CSS which would surely see decent crowds due to the "special event" type scenario. Perhaps a centre of excellence @ CSS to satisfy those that feel the WT owe them more!!

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@Knuckles said:
@smeghead said:
Which one?

I know the heritage jerseys were selling like hotcakes at LO

The black main strip …...... still no sign of it and here we are coming into Round 7 😕
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The one they recalled?

I have seen a few of them about
 
Wests Tigers have been around for 15 years yet have less members than GWS who could not compete in their first 2 years of existence.

Parramatta have won the last 2 wooden spoons yet had 15,000 turn up on Saturday night. The same night we played the Cowboys. How many Roosters fans do you think were at that game?

Wests Tigers played the Panthers at Campbelltown last season and could not draw 10,000 thru the gate.

Grant Mayer is doing his best for the club. The coaching staff are doing their best to turn the inconsistent performances around. The players it seems are listening and responding. This is a very interesting and exciting time for the club. We have re-signed every promising junior in Mayers time and hopefully Tedesco and Sironen etc are next. We have our own stars in Farah and Woods who along with new signings and players which Potter gives confidence and belief in we are seeing a team who plays with passion, hunger and determination. Guys like Gavet, Seumanafangai, Thompson, Simona, Austin, Taupau have no repuations but put it all on the line. Then we have the next wave of Tedesco, Nofoluma, Woods, Akoula, Sironen, Brooks, Moses and Sue.

Get on board guys and enjoy the ride.
 
@sameulcon said:
Parramatta have won the last 2 wooden spoons yet had 15,000 turn up on Saturday night. The same night we played the Cowboys. How many Roosters fans do you think were at that game?
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Parramatta, if your Grandad, dad, and your kid follow the Eels, you could have all grown up in the same area and always attended the same park, its a history thing, years of following, its an owned area…

We dont own Campelltown. We havent really tried... We own Leichhardt, thats another old blood born and bred area, and we are very lucky to have that brand of fan. Im old Lidcombe stock, my ties to Wests Tigers are stronger than my ties to Campelltown Magpies, hell the Tigers have now been there longer, but it is a place that has to be fought for... they copped a very average Magpies team on arrival down there, then were flicked a merger after 12 odd yrs, and we are expecting them to feel as entrenched as old bloods... and to fill the stadium themselves.

Fight for the place, it will show the old stone nosed dinosaurs they arent neglected, get the place to paint itself black orange and white create that ownership vibe down there, and we can breed some new blood... if we give up on the place, at best we stay the same membership, more likely alienate some of the locals and drop some numbers, but if we stay and do the hard yards....
 
@darkie said:
I went to the game, it did rain & I believe the crowd was larger than when we played penrith last year (9000+)
There was heaps of atmosphere, heaps of noise, so I assume those that are carrying on were too lazy to get out to the game.
As someone said, if we had 16000 at our "spiritual home" where were they last night.
Obviously balmain supporters, not wests tigers. Good to see you've got over the merger. :bash :bash
I am a cambo-ite out on weekend release, as suggested by one wanker, :crazy :crazy so I go to all the cambo games & yes I do make it to some Leichhardt & ANZ games. Gee that sounds like what a WESTS TIGER supporter would do.

Anyway, I have a conspiracy theory….... :righton:
When I flashed my card at the gates last night, they said don't worry about scanning it! So that's why the numbers where down.
When I got home, my wife said that it looked like a big crowd.
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Would like to follow up on Darkie's comment

Is that normal that they don't get you not to scan your membership card ??

Find it strange as many of us are posting there seemed to be 9-10 k crowd at the game

Maybe the Tigers are possibly focusing on the least popular traditional ground and are going to try and get a few more games at the concrete cemetery to raise some more dollars

Anyone else who went to the game not have their cards scanned ??
 
People whose tickets were not scanning in front of me had the staff scan a entry pass and the gate was still used so it still counted
 
I was there, I don't care what it looked like on Tele…
Nor do I care how it sounded....
The reason the crowd sounded large was because we spent all night getting shafted by the Refs and the punters that WERE there were all screaming blue murder.
I was also at last years Penrith (Rd 2?) match and there were much less on Friday.
These conspiracy theories make me laugh... The crowd (For whatever reason) wasn't there... The hills were empty, Most the GA was empty... They actually ended up letting the GA sit in the membership stands to make it look like there were people there.
And a couple re-checks were done on the numbers to make sure it was correct as they couldn't believe the lack of support!!
I'm sick of excuses, They say lack of competition, Bad scheduling... Didn't know the tickets were cheap!! (Even though it was advertised on MMM ALL WEEK!! Heck, We had the Panthers (You know, The team up the road a tad) on a beautiful Sunday Arvo last year... Again, Nobody came. Regardless of the beliefs, I can't see CSS surviving ANOTHER year of under 10k average crowds...

And for the record, The LAST match at CSS for the Magpies got under 8000 in attendance THIER LAST GAME!!, The one before that was under 6000... Nothing has changed in 15 years and going on the current attitude, Won't change any time soon!!
Stop the finger pointing, Stop the blame game and speak with your feet...
 
My 2 cents on it all.
1\. Mayer was ill advised to make the remarks, despite the frustration.
2\. Recent history has seen CSS grounds be below par. This needs to be corrected. How I dont know.
3\. Pointing the finger at fans for not turning up is not the answer. If a fan prefers to only go to Leichhardt games or Homebush games or whatever, that is there choice, not every fan is a die hard, not every fan has the time or money to see every game. They are consumers, and can choose to do what they like, I actually think the secret to success is engaging the casual observers.
4\. Decisions made have to be commercially viable. I think that long term the stadiums are the answer. There is actually a few flow advantage, loads of businesses buy corporate packages that see non fans watching. I go to loads of stuff at ANZ, at various stages you will pick up band wagon supporters most for the short, others for the long term. How many games we keep at the surburbans is debateable.
5\. My view, from a pure viewing perspective CSS is a great ground, it has excellent accessibility and has pretty decent atmosphere, it is in essence a very good footy ground. Yet, I dont make a point of getting to CSS, I go if the games suit my schedule or I want to watch a particular team (usually NYC) or something. On the other hand Leichhardt IMO is a terrible viewing grand, is a nightmare to get to and from and has terrible facilities. Yet I make sure I get there at least a couple times a year…..any more than a couple games and the romance wears off.....cant explain it.

I usually go to about 10 or so tigers games a year, i probably go to twice as many non tigers games! which ones I go to have nothing to do with the club cant really control..... I actually in alot of way prefer watching on TV, and would go to less games if it wasnt for lower grades, I love to know who is coming through and following a player from junior reps to first grade is an interest for me, I

don't know what the answer is, but also think it is a bit cyclical as well.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
I don't believe for one second that every WT fan that resides in the Macarthur is of the kind on the Magpies forum who want to see a return of the Magpies, 12 games a year at CSS and the death of WT. A better commitment to the area is needed, coupled with some sustained on field success to draw the region in. Sport wise, Sydney fans are fickle by nature and want to see their team win or at the very least compete in return for their hard earned.

All Manly home games going forward should be at CSS for the very obvious reasons, with at least another Sydney side to play there. If we are playing well, Leichhardt will get decent crowds irrespective of whom we're playing. Unfortunately while ANZ are paying us to play, they get first dibs on all quality opponents in Sydney so an equitable distribution of the remaining quality opposition is required at LO and CSS. This is something that should ensure both regions see quality football and enjoy bumper crowds as a result.
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CB im assuming that your from the C-town area so i think you might be an ideal person to put this to..

in your post you say that "better commitment in the area is needed". Im just very curious to know how the wests tigers can be more committed to south-west sydney or even the magpies side of the joint venture ?

We train in the inner-west suburb of Concord which is closest to Wests Ashfield but also ideally positioned next to Leichardt/ Balmain. So in terms of keeping both sides of the joint venture happy i think Concord is perfectly located as a training base for our franchise (Unless we get our own centre of excellence in C-town).

In terms of opposition allocation to C-town and leichardt, some posters seem to be of the belief that C-town continually hosts low crowd drawing teams. But from what i can tell that couldn't be further from the truth with allocation of matches being even across all three grounds. That can't be used as an excuse anyway with the Penrith game in round two last year on a sunny Sunday afternoon only attracting 9700 (you can't get closer to CSS then Penrith).

In terms of marketing and exposure of games Im not to sure why there has been so many complaints. If anything i think that the inner-west matches get neglected more so then those at C-town. leichardt games seem to get exposed in the media much more but that is from external sources and as a result of external forces, this has nothing to do with Wests Tigers management and does not depict any lack of commitment to CSS or percieved preference to leichardt. In fact the club marketed this weeks game well with the whole "2460 vs 2040" challenge, the gear-zone meet and greet and the $10 tickets to watch 4 games including the magpies (even though it wasn't advertised properly, they still tried to "commit"to something).

I also read somewhere as well that the Tigers allocate double the resources to C-town marketing then they do in any other area, but not to sure how accurate that statement is.

Seriously, as i type this i ask myself how are they not committed ? what more can they do ? can anyone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me how the Wests Tigers (not the media) neglect the Wests side of the JV in preference of Balmain ?

Perhaps the $30 ticket prices are to expensive ? well Mayer has recognised that and brought the prices down to $10 for our next match against the Broncos and its been put out there (hopefully he markets it better this time though). So where is the neglection ? they recognised a potential contributory factor to poor crowds at CSS and they've addressed it. To me that shows some "commitment" to draw better crowds at C-town.

Im not having a pot shot at anyone i seriously am not i'm just so shocked and dumbfounded by some of the complaints, conspiracy theories and the general whinging by some people on here when their statements are mostly not supported by the facts.

Im a WESTS TIGERS supporter who doesn't live in either heartland, with no connection to either side of the JV and i attend most home games across all three grounds. I have no bias and I'm dead curious…
 
Just off topic a bit.
Although there are plenty of new areas opening up near cambo, with thousands of new residents moving in, you would think that we should get more attending games.
BUT, the problem is they are moving from different areas such as St george & bankstown, so they are supporting those teams.
Although many of their children will support the parents team, many will support wests as their local team. So in years to come wests could have millions of fans :astonished: :astonished: :unamused: well, a larger fan base anyway.
So start making plans to extend the stadium to fit everyone in. :mrgreen:
 
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