Mistakes by Rookie Coach cost us!

[Peaches]

Moltzen was again very good in defence, however, support play is not his strong side :frowning:, so our attack is often stopped because 2nd phase is missing.

Positive: Tedesco finally played at FB :slight_smile:

Very much disagree with the first part. Moltzen made a line break supporting Woods and getting an offload. He has been sniffing around Woods all season and then sits in the backline as part of the structure. Moltzen is playing fullback very well and should hold his spot.
Tedesco could do with an extended time playing fullback in the lower grades and just getting some footy under his belt.

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[system]

teddy was the wrong choice, so was utai imo. i would've gone with simona

i was kinda glad he replaced farah. he's showing us who's the boss out there.. let's see if he gets stubborn and does it again.. dont think it's working.

im still not sure about bmm.. he is not running hard enough.. he can but he's not. idk why. also his tackles are not sticking.

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[Irvine]

Sorry Mick but you made some fundamental tactical mistakes tonight that cost us any chance of winning!.

1) Why oh why did you take Farah off at the 30 minute mark????????!!!!!!!!!!!.. Up till then were in the game, our attack was flowing, Benji was not trying to dominate. On comes Iosefa and our attack stutters, he gives away silly penalties, Marshall tries to dominate taking Miller out of the game and our attacking rhythm is lost, Manly score 2 trys and we are effective out of the game, Farah is spewing and no doubt the Tigers players are thinking WTF!

2) Tedesco is not a winger!…and it showed with trys being scored down his side as he was out of position.

3) BMM...is not being used as an impact player...why?....!

I hope you learnt from tonight's game Mick...because IMO you cost us that game!

There was passion, and the first 30 minutes was brilliant, but the question that begs to be asked is what if Farah ever goes off with a busted leg/arm/jaw. Will the team cope without him?

Robbie is a fantastic captain and bleeds our colours but what happens if God forbid we ever lose him to a season ending injury… Are you telling me it's OK to lay down then without his guidance? Not saying that Potter's decision to take him off was justified, but moreso if we inadvertently end up playing without him and get subsequently hammered, what's the excuse then?

I agree about Teddy, not because he isn't a winger (because our defensive structure often leaves the winger isolated,) but because he is a far superior fullback to Moltzen.

Would not have mattered who the winger was it's the people inside causing the problems.
Both times Tedesco had to go in on Lyons force him to pass then chase the winger. He can't just let Lyons have a clear run because Lawrence always goes in to help Miller. He forced Lyons to throw a forward pass but that doesn't matter.

The problems are before it gets to the wing.

I thought Tedesco did quite well playing out of position. Yeah he dropped a ball but Hey even Billy Slater dropped a few when he first started.

 

[Yossarian]

Sorry Mick but you made some fundamental tactical mistakes tonight that cost us any chance of winning!.

1) Why oh why did you take Farah off at the 30 minute mark????????!!!!!!!!!!!.. Up till then were in the game, our attack was flowing, Benji was not trying to dominate. On comes Iosefa and our attack stutters, he gives away silly penalties, Marshall tries to dominate taking Miller out of the game and our attacking rhythm is lost, Manly score 2 trys and we are effective out of the game, Farah is spewing and no doubt the Tigers players are thinking WTF!

2) Tedesco is not a winger!…and it showed with trys being scored down his side as he was out of position.

3) BMM...is not being used as an impact player...why?....!

I hope you learnt from tonight's game Mick...because IMO you cost us that game!

There was passion, and the first 30 minutes was brilliant, but the question that begs to be asked is what if Farah ever goes off with a busted leg/arm/jaw. Will the team cope without him?

Robbie is a fantastic captain and bleeds our colours but what happens if God forbid we ever lose him to a season ending injury… Are you telling me it's OK to lay down then without his guidance? Not saying that Potter's decision to take him off was justified, but moreso if we inadvertently end up playing without him and get subsequently hammered, what's the excuse then?

I agree about Teddy, not because he isn't a winger (because our defensive structure often leaves the winger isolated,) but because he is a far superior fullback to Moltzen.

Would not have mattered who the winger was it's the people inside causing the problems.
Both times Tedesco had to go in on Lyons force him to pass then chase the winger. He can't just let Lyons have a clear run because Lawrence always goes in to help Miller. He forced Lyons to throw a forward pass but that doesn't matter.

The problems are before it gets to the wing.

I thought Tedesco did quite well playing out of position. Yeah he dropped a ball but Hey even Billy Slater dropped a few when he first started.

The second try was the worst. Lyon was the widest attacker which was fine but then Williams came over and was standing on his own on the wing and the defence didn't adjust. Not saying it was Tedesco's fault - he's probably paid very little wing - but it was far too simple.

 

[Westie]

How many of us were counting on 2 pts tonight.

When I was looking at the draw and after the first 2 rounds I was not counting on 2 pts against manly.
The main reason being that Mick has only had the team a short period of time,and not enough time to gel the team together. Its going to be an ongoing thing.

Mind you I do expect a top 8 finish…..

Lets not forget it was raining cats & dogs tonight, and that **&*^% obstruction rule cost us points in the 1st half.
We had patient build up and purposeful attack in the first half.

But Micky.. if were smashing Manly take off farah for a break,

Or if we getting smashed take him off...

But not with 10 min to go and the game in the balance.

 

[bonstonker]

it's one thing to take of farah,but to replace him with a player who isn't first grade material is dumb.

 

[Tbone]

Tonight was a good old fashioned case of being beaten by a better team. They hung in with solid defense when everything was going against them, then showed their attacking ability when things turned a fraction to their advantage. They have a better squad across the park, better structure and are more physical. The tigers attack was extremely pedestrian. I could have lived with a zero score line but letting in 5 tries after having somuch ball and on a wet night is a big problem and suggests defende is regressing, not getting better.

Unfortunately I think we'll see a lot of this in 2013 for our team. I'm being pretty realistic so the loss didn't upset me at all which is a big change from years gone by. I don't think it was a case of the tigers not trying hard. It was just a case of not being anywhere near good enough for a perennially good side.

 

[Tbone]

Tonight was a good old fashioned case of being beaten by a better team. They hung in with solid defense when everything was going against them, then showed their attacking ability when things turned a fraction to their advantage. They have a better squad across the park, better structure and are more physical. The tigers attack was extremely pedestrian. I could have lived with a zero score line but letting in 5 tries after having somuch ball and on a wet night is a big problem and suggests defende is regressing, not getting better.

Unfortunately I think we'll see a lot of this in 2013 for our team. I'm being pretty realistic so the loss didn't upset me at all which is a big change from years gone by. I don't think it was a case of the tigers not trying hard. It was just a case of not being anywhere near good enough for a perennially good side.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

it's one thing to take of farah,but to replace him with a player who isn't first grade material is dumb.

^^ This ^^

I've believed in resting Farah for 12 months now as his workload is too high and therefore reduces his effectiveness towards the backed of games. It's no secret we have also struggled with smart choices in the closing stages of games, and a freshened Farah should help this.

I'm critical of the timing… I couldn't see any benefit in taking Robbie off when he did. Potter needs to wait till after halftime, to get through the freshened forwards from the break. Iosefa is a terrible defender against fresh forwards and it showed as after the break, they went straight down the park. Having Robbie there would've been far better to rally troops and plug the holes. Give Robbie a 10-15min break at the 50th minute and bring him back on with 15 to go...

This decision was the wrong one last night, as it basically used 2 Interchanges in a game where we lacked impact from the bench.

Having BMM come on as an Prop last night was also a poor judgement by Harry... He had no choice, but BMM is only effective on the edges. Completely wasted in tight as he obviously doesn't like it either.

The last poor decision was the no decision/late if any, of switching the backline... We needed points, we had little to no go forward, so we had to make a change. Harry should've moved Tedesco to FB with 25 to go. He is our most likely attacking player with Marshall to break the line from our end of the field and he needed time to look for weaknesses in Manly's defence.

I thought we played ok yesterday with what we had... We needed big Ava on the bench simply for his size. At the end of the day, we couldn't get through Manly's defence and the use of the bench were the only difference between both teams.

 

[system]

Would not have mattered who the winger was it's the people inside causing the problems.
Both times Tedesco had to go in on Lyons force him to pass then chase the winger. He can't just let Lyons have a clear run because Lawrence always goes in to help Miller. He forced Lyons to throw a forward pass but that doesn't matter.

The problems are before it gets to the wing.

I thought Tedesco did quite well playing out of position. Yeah he dropped a ball but Hey even Billy Slater dropped a few when he first started.
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I think miller and rowdy have alot of work to do in defense

For all of u that dont know a winger MUST follow his centre in defense , that means if a centre comes in then he has to as well , if miller and rowdy both come in and someone takes wrong man or they both take the one player then there is an over lap.

The winger MUST follow his centre in and then is faced with a 2 on 1 situation , hes job then is to take the man with the ball and hopefully tackle him or make him make a play and they might drop the ball or make a mistake

The forward pass is an example of pressure from the winger

For me there alot of defensive issues out wide and it dosent matter who plays wing , there not gonna go away anytime soon

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[sunshine_coast_tiger]

it's one thing to take of farah,but to replace him with a player who isn't first grade material is dumb.

Agree 100 %. Isofea in my opinion is not good enough to play NRL. I was puzzled we signed him last year as I though Pat Politioni was a better player. Hopefully we don't see Isofea in the top grade again this year.

 

[boonboon]

We are going to see Iosefa in top grade again during origin I would imagine although Robbie on,y misses 1 game as we have 2 byes but Robbie made 43 tackles in the rain in60 minutes maybe potter was experimenting and that's ok as long as it doesn't happen regularly

 

[system]

Resting Robbie is great in principal.

However bon is spot on with his replacement not being up to scratch.

The bigger problem though is that when Farah goes off you leave Marsall in charge who overcalls Miller all the time and Ioseffa only wants to pass to Marshall. As such our game plan goes out the window ans we start playing rubbish touch football.

Theory was sound though and it is a learning curve

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Iosefa was playing park football for Mounties last year. You can see why. He couldn't tackle a wet paper bag.

And apparently the Warriors want him and we said no? Unbelievable.

 

[simonthetiger]

Could you imagine Craig Bellamy pulling Cam Smith off ten before half time with the game in the balance and replacing him with Ryan Hinchliffe???

IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!

Stupid mistake…...Sheens must be wetting his pants,getting paid and getting to watch this clown make rookie mistakes.

Robbie was well pissed off and rightly so......20 mins off the field,replaced by a bozo.

The bloke is our captain,our rudder,our best player......its dead set mystifying.

 

[simonthetiger]

"I don't like coming off," Farah said. "It's the coach's decision, but no one likes sitting on the bench."

 

[steve-o]

Strange decision as it turned out. Farah has been doing a lot of defence in our first three games so you can imagine that was behind the decision. However the fact that Farah was so openly hostile to the change seems to make a mockery of it though.

I am at my wits end with Marshall though. **Is there anyone in the league who regularly puts up bombs who does it worse than him?** How many times have we got to see this attempted kick behind the line (which regularly doesnt go behind the line)? Look he is trying; quite impressed with some of his defence tonight, but just not cutting it overall.

marshall is so bad at putting up bombs! he's easily the worst play maker in the game at bombing. and the thing that irks me the most is that hes not improving! he hasnt been able to bomb for years and we've seen no progress on this

 

[851]

Could you imagine Craig Bellamy pulling Cam Smith off ten before half time with the game in the balance and replacing him with Ryan Hinchliffe???

IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!

Stupid mistake…...Sheens must be wetting his pants,getting paid and getting to watch this clown make rookie mistakes.

Robbie was well pissed off and rightly so......20 mins off the field,replaced by a bozo.

The bloke is our captain,our rudder,our best player......its dead set mystifying.

Spot on Simon,but Hinchcliffe is way better than Ioseffa and it still wouldn't happen.
Our problems started early,we had 3 scrums 15m out from manly's line in the first 10 or so minutes,we went down the short side everytime,why?.surely you want Benji one on one with the opposing 6 everytime if you want points.
This was either another Potter mistake or Miller is way out of his depth.

 

[simonthetiger]

How many of us were counting on 2 pts tonight.

When I was looking at the draw and after the first 2 rounds I was not counting on 2 pts against manly.
The main reason being that Mick has only had the team a short period of time,and not enough time to gel the team together. Its going to be an ongoing thing.

Mind you I do expect a top 8 finish…..

Lets not forget it was raining cats & dogs tonight, and that **&*^% obstruction rule cost us points in the 1st half.
We had patient build up and purposeful attack in the first half.

But Micky.. if were smashing Manly take off farah for a break,

Or if we getting smashed take him off...

But not with 10 min to go and the game in the balance.

This is a pretty good post.

We were measured and patient…..I'm digging that.

And that rubbish obstruction and a couple of soft penalties against us didnt help.

And Farah was having a very good game,he looked dangerous and his kicking game was bang on......u dont rest ur best player when he is playing well,in a very close game.

Im still shaking my head.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good post Simon

Yep the game was in the balance at 4-0 and we take Robbie off

How about resting him when we are leading Parra 24-6

Personally think he compounded a mistaken call of playing Iosefa after picking him on the premise we would be playing on a dry track

Those conditions called for four forwards