Mitchell Moses released [Official]

[king_sirro]

Well some facts regarding the release from the Coach Ivan Cleary….

Cleary addresses media at airport

Wed 17th May, 03:00PM

Wests Tigers Head Coach Ivan Cleary spoke to the media at Sydney Airport today ahead of the team's Round 11 clash against the Brisbane Broncos at Suncorp Stadium.

See what Cleary had to say in full about the departure of Mitchell Moses and the timeline of that, as well as the inclusion of Aaron Woods for Friday's big match in the video above!

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2017/05/17/cleary_addresses_med.html

Very interesting ...Kent Ritchie and Buzz take note...agenda's

Hope you are right Geo, and Kent and Buzz shed some truth tonight on tv about this Moses/Moses farce, I will be watching but I probably will be disappointed again.

Not a chance. They have just been insulted by Clearly saying they were manipulated. Watch the agenda ramp up further now.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Even worse , he was given the reins of the team and was told that it was his team.
He was still learning how to play football, and in no way was he ready , or able to do this .
A few meetings with the reserve grade coach may have saved him from the big head , that has been Part of his problems here.
But No! They were a protected species and could not get the one thing that could possibly have made a difference to this stupid experiment .
A stint in reserve grade , to learn the game , and also to learn that Playing badly had consequences. Both were things that they knew nothing about

Whoever had the dopey idea that two rookies could control and direct an NRL team , As well as learn how to be a genuine first grader, had rocks in his head, and should never again be allowed to make decisions in in an NRL club.
It was always going to Be a good bet that only one would suceed here, And he would need a lot of help to get past the damage that was done in the first couple of bungled years. and IMO.
We got to keep the better of the two

I seriously reckon you have no idea.

It's the club's fault that Moses didn't end up having the ability to perform his role? You think having him dumped to reserves at some stage recently would have made everything different? Moses already played ISP before joining the FG squad, 6 months or so, they didn't promote him directly from NYC, slower development than Brooks even.

Why is Brooks not falling apart mentally, why did he sort out his contract and concentrate on footy? He was thrust into firsts before Mitch was.

And based on Moses' reaction to being prioritised third amongst our top players, how do you think he would have reacted to being dumped to reggies anyway? And when dump him to reggies? He was in career-best form end of last year, 2015 was his first full year - you would have dumped him in 2015? Talk about confidence building, put a kid into firsts for 6 months then park him in reggies for his own development.

Nobody wants to run two rookie footballers in the halves but the reality is experienced, reliable halfbacks don't grow on trees.

The year Johnathon Thurston debuted for Cowboys 2005, he'd played 29 games for Bulldogs in 3 seasons, 12 of those off the bench. He switched clubs at age 21 and his first halves partner was Chris Sheppard. Who? Exactly. That lasted 3 rounds, they then pulled in David Myles for 3 rounds, then he had Justin Smith for a while, who let's be honest was a backrower. Aaron Payne moved in for Rounds 18-19, before they bought and started Brett Firman Rd 20\. Firman at this time had played 25 games in 3 seasons at Saints and Roosters. Team made the Grand Final, I would say in spite of Brett Firman.

Moses was 20 in that first full year 2015, he turned 21 in September. He's not Thurston but the point is if you are good enough you will do the job, age is just an excuse to show that you aren't mature enough.

Moses being compared to Thurston :roll
it was obvious that he wasn't ready for first grade when he came up , and needed to go back again until he was., if that was going to unsettle the little princess, then it would have shown up his attitude earlier and probably saved some wasted and time.
My point is that , as you said, ifyou are good enough you will do the job.

He wasn't good enough, by a long shot

And as you mentioned the end of the year, his
Last few games of the year were worst than ordinary, topped off with the worst game that he played year , in the last round.
I agree that halves are hard to come by, but that doesnt mean that the club should've shoved then in just because they had no one else
Again it was plain that they weren't handling it right from the start , but the club just crossed their fingers and hoped
Both halves never learned to be accountable for their many bad games which , certainly didn't help Moses to control his opinion of himself.
They failed to recognise that theyneeded specialist coaching Which may have helped a lot.

If the precious little boy, couldn't handle being dropped for his bad form , he he doesn't deserve to be here in the first place

In answer to why didn't Brooks fall apart, probably because he's not Moses

He probably recognised ( correctly )that what he was offered was very good money which compared more than adequately to his level of performance.
Brooks has always been hesitant to pump himself at every opportunity( unlike Moses)
And would seem to be someone who wants to be coached.
Unlike the walking ego that now is a Parra problem
I think he will find that being coached by a real Coach (unlike Taylor, )won't be all his way
There'll be consequences.

Please re-read everything you just said and have a think to yourself what you are saying.

Totally agree Moses has been a princess about this all. Totally agree he has an ego problem, can't handle being relegated in priority, doesn't deserve to be here. Sounds a lot like Moses is the real issue here, not how the Tigers managed him. Sounds like it's not really possible for the club to give him the head-check he needs.

Certainly, if he was dropped after he was promoted in 2015, maybe none of this happens. Waste of money, I mean he was already into his current contract at that time and the club decided he was the long-term option, but maybe we just write that contract off and add his salary to the Farah's and Sironen's being paid elsewhere until end of 2016/7.

As to the people who have rocks in their heads, allowing two rookies to control an NRL team…hmm.. Michael Potter, Jason Taylor, Ivan Cleary... hmm do you see a pattern here? Do you see a pattern of well-regarded ex-players and coaches putting their faith in Broses as a viable option?

Oh wait sorry, I forgot your personal opinion trumps all that.

I realise that your opinion has to be regarded as Gospel, but when I last heard , I believe it was Cleary who was in charge of saying who was staying and who was going , when Moses had the hammer droppedon him. And his offer pulled. Yet you include Cleary as one who kept Moses here.
He was onlyhere until they could get a good deal by letting him go.
Cleary has spent a lot of time since he arrived in looking for another player so he could get rid of Moses. Maybe you didn't notice.
The amount of faith that Cleary wasted on Moses was zilch.
Now let's see …who were the others you mentioned. Potter and what's his name again,......Taylor. Sorry, I forgot.
You were saying something about well regarded Coaches. I know you wouldn't be referring to them , so I must have missed a line somewhere. :roll

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Safe to say the raiders have a few thousand extra fans this weekend…

easily

 

[Swordy]

You dont need a brain to know one side of the story which has been played out in the media, and then hear the other side of the story direct from the horses mouth, to know where the truth lay.

Some people can issue a statement with class, facts and professionalism, and others cannot.

Unfortunately some people, even on this forum believe Moses to be hard done by. Its the same people that take the opposite view on everything else.

But it takes all types to make forums work, even if they are idiots.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Well some facts regarding the release from the Coach Ivan Cleary….

Cleary addresses media at airport

Wed 17th May, 03:00PM

Wests Tigers Head Coach Ivan Cleary spoke to the media at Sydney Airport today ahead of the team's Round 11 clash against the Brisbane Broncos at Suncorp Stadium.

See what Cleary had to say in full about the departure of Mitchell Moses and the timeline of that, as well as the inclusion of Aaron Woods for Friday's big match in the video above!

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2017/05/17/cleary_addresses_med.html

Very interesting ...Kent Ritchie and Buzz take note...agenda's

Hope you are right Geo, and Kent and Buzz shed some truth tonight on tv about this Moses/Moses farce, I will be watching but I probably will be disappointed again.

Not a chance. They have just been insulted by Clearly saying they were manipulated. Watch the agenda ramp up further now.

I don't think that they were who he insulted. I think it was aimed at Moses and his manager.

 

[DonnyBrasco]

Unfortunately some people, even on this forum believe Moses to be hard done by. Its the same people that take the opposite view on everything else.

If you could kindly pass me their details, I have about 10000 tonnes of h3rbalyfe and AmW4Y products I need to offload.

 

[king_sirro]

Well some facts regarding the release from the Coach Ivan Cleary….

Cleary addresses media at airport

Wed 17th May, 03:00PM

Wests Tigers Head Coach Ivan Cleary spoke to the media at Sydney Airport today ahead of the team's Round 11 clash against the Brisbane Broncos at Suncorp Stadium.

See what Cleary had to say in full about the departure of Mitchell Moses and the timeline of that, as well as the inclusion of Aaron Woods for Friday's big match in the video above!

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2017/05/17/cleary_addresses_med.html

Very interesting ...Kent Ritchie and Buzz take note...agenda's

Hope you are right Geo, and Kent and Buzz shed some truth tonight on tv about this Moses/Moses farce, I will be watching but I probably will be disappointed again.

Not a chance. They have just been insulted by Clearly saying they were manipulated. Watch the agenda ramp up further now.

I don't think that they were who he insulted. I think it was aimed at Moses and his manager.

Its an insult to a journalist to say he was manipulated. No doubt both Moses' were criticised, but im sure the journo's will take exception too.

 

[newtiger]

Just look at readers comments on Fox sports and the Telecrap web site, Mitch has done himself no good the way he has presented himself over the last 2 weeks.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

makes me wanna throw up
Moses impresses new Eels teammates
http://www.nrl.com/moses-impresses-new-eels-teammates/tabid/10874/newsid/106892/default.aspx

Great, knowing our luck he will probably end up going gangbusters at Parra :angry:

 

[ricksen]

I had to laugh when Mannah mentioned professional when speaking of Moses. Usually I have time for Mannah but did he really think before he made the comment.

Mannah and Moses have the same agent, so Timmy is merely towing the company line.

Benny Elias is on NRL 360 tonight, so get ready for some outlandish defence of his nephew and some more stones thrown at the club.

 

[The-moP]

Here's hoping one of those "big" boppers from the Raiders run straight over the top of Moses this weekend and he doesn't get up, out for the season .. aka KARMA .. !!

 

[Guest]

Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary reveals Mitchell Moses release reasons, takes dig at manager
MAY 17, 2017 5:09PM

WESTS Tigers coach Ivan Cleary says Mitchell Moses’ performances and changed demeanour over the past fortnight pushed him to grant an immediate release to Parramatta. Talented five-eighth Moses will line up for the Eels in Saturday’s NRL clash with Canberra just four days after securing a mid-season exit.

Meanwhile, West Tigers, languishing at 15th on the ladder with a 3-7 record, must battle on without the key playmaker who was contracted to the end of the season. While Cleary wished Moses well, the coach took a subtle dig at his attitude and commitment over his final fortnight at Concord when he addressed reporters before flying to Brisbane for the Tigers’ clash with the Broncos on Friday. Cleary first received a request from Moses’ manager for a release two days after he took over in April from sacked coach Jason Taylor but, up until Tuesday, had knocked it back. Cleary indicated his hand was forced after Moses’ lacklustre performances over the past two weeks, which included eight missed tackles in last Friday’s loss to South Sydney.

“The last time I spoke about (Moses’ situation) publicly was after the Bulldogs where I thought he played well,” Cleary said. “I mentioned that I hadn’t seen anything to suggest in his performances or preparation that he wanted to leave. And that was the thing I was going to go by. Again, there was no benefit to our club for a release. “I don’t know if it’s a coincidence but things changed after that.
“His last two performances and general demeanour suggested he just wasn’t happy and the logical conclusion was for us to part ways and that’s what we’ve done.”

Cleary fired a shot at Moses’ manager Isaac Moses, accusing him of “manipulations of the media to drive a personal agenda”. Isaac Moses had complained to the NRL and Rugby League Players’ Association, expressing concerns about player welfare after Cleary reportedly told the player he would be granted a release before last week’s game with the Rabbitohs, only to change his mind. “I’d like to discuss the accusation around the way we’ve handled this situation,” said Cleary. “We take wellbeing very seriously at this club and the track record at the Tigers has been very strong, including the last 12 months.
“I take it very seriously as a coach and it’s a huge part of what we do. “I’ve been transparent and forthright with my conversations with Mitchell. They’re personal and I’ll leave it at that. “It’s a bit disappointing some of those conversations have ended up in the media - I don’t want that to happen from my end.”

 

[jirskyr]

I realise that your opinion has to be regarded as Gospel, but when I last heard , I believe it was Cleary who was in charge of saying who was staying and who was going , when Moses had the hammer droppedon him. And his offer pulled. Yet you include Cleary as one who kept Moses here.
He was onlyhere until they could get a good deal by letting him go.
Cleary has spent a lot of time since he arrived in looking for another player so he could get rid of Moses. Maybe you didn't notice.
The amount of faith that Cleary wasted on Moses was zilch.
Now let's see …who were the others you mentioned. Potter and what's his name again,......Taylor. Sorry, I forgot.
You were saying something about well regarded Coaches. I know you wouldn't be referring to them , so I must have missed a line somewhere. :roll

Cleary didn't remove Moses he down-prioritised the negotiations. Moses has been named in every match since Cleary started until the day he got a release.

Neither of us know what is in Cleary's mind, I'm just going off the facts.

So yeah 3 consecutive coaches (plus Webster if you want to count like the DT) played Broses together starting halves, but you think that was a mistake. 3 professionals and you.

 

[jirskyr]

Safe to say the raiders have a few thousand extra fans this weekend…

easily

Oh my I can imagine how quietly chuffed I will be if Papalii steamrolls his way through Moses a few times on the weekend - happened for us already many times in the last 12 months.

 

[innsaneink]

makes me wanna throw up
Moses impresses new Eels teammates
http://www.nrl.com/moses-impresses-new-eels-teammates/tabid/10874/newsid/106892/default.aspx

Im sure quite a few quietly think hes a spoilt little turd

 

[Geo]

OMG….Benny...what an embarrassment...Mitchell would have re-signed for 3 years on less money if he was told he was a priority...bwahahahahahahaha....wow ...not even stupid people would buy that one...

 

[supercoach]

Good to see that people like Cleary,Gould,Sterling and Voss have had a chance to actually get the truth out there and people are not just been fed crap from fox and the telecrap.

Moses's reputation is taking a big hit but like most things in the NRL, it will all be forgotten the minute he has a good game for Parra. Sadly the NRL should have stepped in and read the riot act to both Moses and his manager

 

[240z]

OMG….Benny...what an embarrassment...Mitchell would have re-signed for 3 years on less money if he was told he was a priority...bwahahahahahahaha....wow ...not even stupid people would buy that one...

Please please please shut Benny Elias up
I am so tired of him talking crap about his "super star nephew".
He has become an embarrassment to the game and his former club

 

[tigerfanatic]

Watching benny elias talk footy on nrl 360 just makes me sick. The bloke has no idea what he is talking about he trys too hard and ben ikin is forever shutting him down. What a disgrace.

:deadhorse:

 

[Westie]

OMG….Benny...what an embarrassment...Mitchell would have re-signed for 3 years on less money if he was told he was a priority...bwahahahahahahaha....wow ...not even stupid people would buy that one...

100% what about the little fact that the contracts were available for about 6 months before they pulled it.
Go and pull parras chain