Tim has a legal contract, registered with the NRL, to play with the WT in 2012…simple as that....the Dragons don't have a legal contract, they have a letter of intent that had a pre-requisite of a release that was not given...so the Dragons without the release dont have a leg to stand on...they can't take Moltz or Tauber to court as they are not in control of the "release"....that's the legal side of this story!!
Moltzen Staying Or Going
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So weaken the team by letting
Molten go? Facts are he isn't released. So you say he should honor his contract with saints. What about the contract with tigers. Door swings both ways. Him signing with them isn't an instant cancellation of ours. There would be Conditions of him leaving the tigers to saints but saints jumped the gun and didn't follow through with protocol. I don't care what they do in other cases there is protocols in place to ensure this doesn't happen. Just because it doesn't always get done doesn't make the way we did it wrong.
Fact is we still own him
Fact is we didn't give him final release.
Fact is saints jumped the gun.
Fact is he wants to stay a tiger.
Tigers are not here to honor a bloody god. People go on it's a business. Well guess what. We are following business rights of entitlement.
Saints were poor in follow through and didn't do them selves any favors.
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Molten go? Facts are he isn't released. So you say he should honor his contract with saints. What about the contract with tigers. Door swings both ways. Him signing with them isn't an instant cancellation of ours. There would be Conditions of him leaving the tigers to saints but saints jumped the gun and didn't follow through with protocol. I don't care what they do in other cases there is protocols in place to ensure this doesn't happen. Just because it doesn't always get done doesn't make the way we did it wrong.
Fact is we still own him
Fact is we didn't give him final release.
Fact is saints jumped the gun.
Fact is he wants to stay a tiger.
Tigers are not here to honor a bloody god. People go on it's a business. Well guess what. We are following business rights of entitlement.
Saints were poor in follow through and didn't do them selves any favors.
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Tiger_Watto
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I highly doubt the Dragons are pushing this matter on the back of a 'letter of intent'… Judging by how this has played out, there is no doubt Moltzen has signed 3 year contract with St George. They wouldn't be singing the personal feelings crap if he didn't...
happy_tiger
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@Tiger Watto said:
Watto that is why I think that it will probably end up in court
It won't be as simple as Schubert ringing Moltzen and asking "Tim , What club do you want to play for next season "
@everett said:
That is cause you dont like Moltzen and like to see him in the negative.
I like Moltzen, and feel he has been put in an untenable situation by his manager and the 2 clubs. He is prepared to take a pay cut (if my info is correct $60k a season) to play with the club he loves with his mates, and forgo the certainty of a large contract for 2013 and 2014\. I heard people banging on about Brown being loyal for not going anywhere even know he was out of the top 17 (despite not being offered anything anywhere else), Yet when a player actually shows loyalty (forgoing alot to stay where he is) we label him a brat and a tosser.
Moltzen didn't want to leave in t he first place, but salary cap pressure forced him out, a circumstance presented it self to stay and he wants to take it.
Tiger_Watto
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@Goose said:
Hmmm, I agree with a fair bit of this… I think this 100% lies at the feet of his manager. Tauber was quoted in the media at the time of the original blow-up stating Tim Moltzen is committed to the Dragons for the following 3 years. He re-enforced the position of the Tigers only being a few minor matters, but Tim will be at the Dragons next year. In other words:This is a done deal and I'm getting my percentage! Player Managers are greedy buggers and are only interested in thier percentages...
But I dont think this is a matter of loyalty though... Yes Tim will take a pay drop to remain at the Tigers for next year, but 6 months ago he was happy to take a pay increase, jump ship to ensure his financial future is secure. If he wanted to be loyal, when advised he could shop around because of X;Y;Z reason, he had the opportunity to be loyal then and knuckle down and improve the on the areas of his game that where lacking and accept the fact there is no more money for him if he wants to play at the Tigers... So leave the loyalty tag for the loyal ones like Heighno. This has nothing to do with loyalty!
foreveratiger
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@alexaki said:
your 100 per cent correct signing a letter of intent or a contract , without a release is worth nothing . If Schubert says he has got to go to Saints , then hes officially saying that contracts mean jack. So we can go and get e.g Paul Gallen to sign a contract with us and he would have to honour it, even though he just signed an extension with the sharks , this is ludicrous :crazy
You make a fair point Goose.
Moltzen finds himself in a position not initiated by himself (from my readings). The WTs initiated the start of all this due to circumstances at the time. Circumstances have changed and now the WTs want to keep him. The player likes the club and enjoys playing with his mates and wants to stay (didn't want to go in the first place). Yes, he reportedly signed with Saints and some would say he should honour that contract and I can understand that point of view. Having said that I think Saints should have confirmed with WTs that all was good and there would be no hiccups before they announced the signing especially since Moltzen still had a year to run on his current contract. WTs aren't sweet either as they have kept quiet on this as that tactic suited them. It appears that we have two clubs that couldn't speak to each other about Moltzen's transfer, lack of communication has led to a mess and Moltzen is caught in the middle of it. Personally I hope he stays but I'm a bit biased :unamused:
Moltzen finds himself in a position not initiated by himself (from my readings). The WTs initiated the start of all this due to circumstances at the time. Circumstances have changed and now the WTs want to keep him. The player likes the club and enjoys playing with his mates and wants to stay (didn't want to go in the first place). Yes, he reportedly signed with Saints and some would say he should honour that contract and I can understand that point of view. Having said that I think Saints should have confirmed with WTs that all was good and there would be no hiccups before they announced the signing especially since Moltzen still had a year to run on his current contract. WTs aren't sweet either as they have kept quiet on this as that tactic suited them. It appears that we have two clubs that couldn't speak to each other about Moltzen's transfer, lack of communication has led to a mess and Moltzen is caught in the middle of it. Personally I hope he stays but I'm a bit biased :unamused:
foreveratiger
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you would think that by Moltzen wanting to stay at the tigers next year ,that Tigers will extend his contract beyond 2012 , if not Moltzen will look pretty silly if the tigers dont wish to keep him beyond 2012 , as his got a 3 year deal at saints guarenteed , you can imagine the saints supporters getting on his case if this happens who would be eating humble pie then . Interesting times ahead…
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Well at least Tim is consistent.
His steadfastness to his word is on par with his willingness to dive on a loose ball.
Consistency is important
His steadfastness to his word is on par with his willingness to dive on a loose ball.
Consistency is important
Manager Tauber was on the radio this morning and confirmed what has panned out - which is also what a lot of posters here are refusing to believe.
Tim Moltzen and his manager agreed to terms and signed a contract with the Dragons - did the manager do it without Moltzens consent? No of course not - Tim, himsef, had decided to move on to the Dragons.
Tauber goes on holidays for a few weeks - in that time two things happen - Lui gets arrested on assault charges and Tim Moltzen 'changes his mind' and decides he wants to stay at the Dragons. Tauber is asked why Tim changed his mind, response is the jibberish about friends and family. Follow up question is 'does it have anything to do with Lui?' - response 'ummm, ahhhh, I can't comment on that, I don't know - I was away when Robert was arrested - I have no insight into what the Tigers have decided to do with Lui'.
No mention of why the Tigers hadn't signed a release. Who knows, just a formality that hadn't been completed. Probably a bit of sneaky play on the Tigers part.
But the bottom line is, that the manager, himself, confirmed that Tim had signed with the Dragons, was going to the Dragons AND THEN changed his mind. This, in my honest opinion, is not on - if people were allowed to do this then the league would be a shambles.
What was occured over the past few weeks has been tipified in todays Telegraph in which it is stated that it would be 'intolerable' for Tim to go to the Dragons next year. Now I am sorry, but that is blackmail - they are basically trying to give the Dragons no choice but to back down. And it really peeves me off that our club is associated with such antics.
Anyway - he will probably stay at the Tigers I'd say. I will support him and hope he plays as good as he did at the back end of this year. But I tell you what, the way he has carried on - I have very little respect for the guy.
Imagine Blair pulled out of his contract and stayed with the Storm…...
Tim Moltzen and his manager agreed to terms and signed a contract with the Dragons - did the manager do it without Moltzens consent? No of course not - Tim, himsef, had decided to move on to the Dragons.
Tauber goes on holidays for a few weeks - in that time two things happen - Lui gets arrested on assault charges and Tim Moltzen 'changes his mind' and decides he wants to stay at the Dragons. Tauber is asked why Tim changed his mind, response is the jibberish about friends and family. Follow up question is 'does it have anything to do with Lui?' - response 'ummm, ahhhh, I can't comment on that, I don't know - I was away when Robert was arrested - I have no insight into what the Tigers have decided to do with Lui'.
No mention of why the Tigers hadn't signed a release. Who knows, just a formality that hadn't been completed. Probably a bit of sneaky play on the Tigers part.
But the bottom line is, that the manager, himself, confirmed that Tim had signed with the Dragons, was going to the Dragons AND THEN changed his mind. This, in my honest opinion, is not on - if people were allowed to do this then the league would be a shambles.
What was occured over the past few weeks has been tipified in todays Telegraph in which it is stated that it would be 'intolerable' for Tim to go to the Dragons next year. Now I am sorry, but that is blackmail - they are basically trying to give the Dragons no choice but to back down. And it really peeves me off that our club is associated with such antics.
Anyway - he will probably stay at the Tigers I'd say. I will support him and hope he plays as good as he did at the back end of this year. But I tell you what, the way he has carried on - I have very little respect for the guy.
Imagine Blair pulled out of his contract and stayed with the Storm…...
851
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Just go to Saints,he isn't worth the effort,our club is looking pretty bad in all this,and with the Lui fiasco coming up next week our stocks have plummeted,our reputation has taken a hit,tell Tim to go,sack Lui and we start to get some respect and credibilty back.
851
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Just go to Saints,he isn't worth the effort,our club is looking pretty bad in all this,and with the Lui fiasco coming up next week our stocks have plummeted,our reputation has taken a hit,tell Tim to go,sack Lui and we start to get some respect and credibilty back.
GNR4LIFE
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@Centaur said:
Well said Centaur, I agree fully. I'm sure it would have been tougher for Gibbs to leve, given he'd been at the place for nearly 10 yrs and had won a premiership. I'm sure he has lots of mates that he had to leave behind but thats ok. Be interesting what would be happening if Timmy wasn't Benji's best mate
851
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Just go to Saints,he isn't worth the effort,our club is looking pretty bad in all this,and with the Lui fiasco coming up next week our stocks have plummeted,our reputation has taken a hit,tell Tim to go,sack Lui and we start to get some respect and credibilty back.
GNR4LIFE
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@Centaur said:
Well said Centaur, I agree fully. I'm sure it would have been tougher for Gibbs to leve, given he'd been at the place for nearly 10 yrs and had won a premiership. I'm sure he has lots of mates that he had to leave behind but thats ok. Be interesting what would be happening if Timmy wasn't Benji's best mate
diedpretty
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@Centaur said:
Its only a shambles because the NRL have very loose procedures in regards to contracts - teams should not be allowed to release details of signings until ALL procedures have been completed - and that includes a final release from the club the player is leaving - i think we will see a big crackdown on how contracts are signed and procedures that must be followed before announcements coming from this saga.
