Moltzen Staying Or Going

[underdog]

funny how the DT said Humpty was unavailable for comment, yet he provided the SMH with a couple of quotes. Speaks volumes for the Terrorgraph

The Tigers do not talk to the Telegraph.

Period.

Makes them (the telegraph) look like hacks when they say the Tigers were not available, then the SMH has a paragraph or 10 from Benji, Sheens, Ayshford, the Tigers Ball boy, some guy in a tigers jersey, and Barry O'Farrell

You were on a roll until you mentioned Barry O'Farrell. BOF is ALWAYS available to talk to the Terror!

Yes, but as far as the terrorgraph are concerned he's a _Manly/Dragons/Roosters/Insert favourite terrorgraph team this week here_ Fan…. :mrgreen:

I didn't vote for the guy, but his taste in rugby league teams is impeccable.

 

[Kul]

Tigers talk to Fairfax and News all the time. Fact.
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[Vicious]

There is no fuss, both Moltzen and Lui are Wests Tigers, they started as Wests Tigers and if we want them and they want to stay, why shouldn`t they finish as Wests Tigers?
Wests Tigers have built an extremely competitive squad with predominately players we have produced ourselves and adding one quality recruit each season as promised a few seasons back.
We are not Parramatta, Souths, Roosters or the Bulldogs etc who want to change half their side every 2 seasons and if Moltzen wants to stay we should ensure that he does stay.
I cannot believe some of the crap some of you are writing stating he should honour his deal with the Dragons, since when have the Dragons give a flying you know what about anyone else other than themselves?

 

[innsaneink]

There is no fuss, both Moltzen and Lui are Wests Tigers, they started as Wests Tigers and if we want them and they want to stay, why shouldn`t they finish as Wests Tigers?
Wests Tigers have built an extremely competitive squad with predominately players we have produced ourselves and adding one quality recruit each season as promised a few seasons back.
**We are not Parramatta, Souths, Roosters or the Bulldogs etc who want to change half their side every 2 seasons** and if Moltzen wants to stay we should ensure that he does stay.
I cannot believe some of the crap some of you are writing stating he should honour his deal with the Dragons, since when have the Dragons give a flying you know what about anyone else other than themselves?

We encouraged him to look elsewhere 3 months ago…along with a few others.

 

[Diver]

Seriously some of you guys are unbelieveable….

Who gives a toss about the dragons.... All they ever do is whinge, They have the most arrogant supporters in the comp and tbh im glad we are sticking it up them...

Im also sick of hearing dragons fans say "we dont want him if he doesn bleed red", Well why did they sign him in the first place?? His heart was ALWAYS at the tigers..

However at the end of the day...

The fact is the Tigers have not ever given Moltz a release... They told him that he could negotiate elsewhere but saying that is totally different to saying, here's a release go play there....

I say suck it Dragons.. Just another thing for you to whinge about :blah :blah :sign: :sign:

Mad Tiger…... I agree and i love it, keep it up! lol

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

You always hear Parramatta, Souths and Dragons fans claiming they are the most popular teams in Sydney despite the Tigers and Bulldogs being 1 and 2 for home crowds every year since 2004, even this year after a premiership winning year the Dragons couldn’t get their home attendances above us, and that’s despite some of these sides getting special matches that always draw big crowds set aside for them like the Roosters v Souths opening round (before Bunnies fans realise they will have another ordinary season) and the Dragons v Roosters Anzac Day clash, we don’t get anything like that, except the opening round Monday night clash 3 years running so after waiting all off season we have to wait the extra days for our opening round, everyone's second favourite side, garbage, other fans treat us with distain and we owe them nothing.

The Broncos and Storm are not the forces they are being nice guys, we are one of the few Sydney clubs to be almost self sufficient and if we want to be one of the stronger NRL clubs in the future we need to stop worrying what others will think of us and look after our own interests and do what is best for the club, really I am not really fussed about Tim staying or not, but if reports are correct that he doesn’t want to leave then, stuff the Dragons and any other club who wants to take us on…

:righton:

 

[jirskyr]

I don't get the fuss from some of our ppl on here. Tigers never said Moltzen was released, we always made very specific factual statements about the situation.

If it just so happens that Moltzen wants to stay and we decide we can now accommodate that, for whatever reason, then there is no problem. Nothing unprofessional. By not making executive statements a few months ago we have kept our options open. That is just good business, forget ethics and that nonsense.

I am seeing these comments about us looking amateur, but actually I think the amateur work is coming from Dragons and Tauber. If the Drags did not obtain our formal agreement for release prior to announcing Moltzen, they have failed to complete due process. They did it at the time to offset the negative press about Bennett / Boyd / Gasnier.

I must say that Tauber also looks the fool. Maybe he does this purposefully, but to say "hey I've been overseas, know nothing about this" just sounds poor, as if he doesn't have communication options in New York. I'd have said "yes I know all about this and will be speaking to the Tigers and Dragons immediately". It is Tauber who said Tigers verbally released Moltzen and probably relayed this to the Dragons.

As previously mentioned, Jordan Kahu recently reneged and there was nothing much we could do. You don't want to compel a sportsperson to compete for a given club, that is up to their personal work ethic. E.g. Ben Hannant - put in two years at the Dogs then decided he wanted to go home; Doggies can't compel the guy to stay.

 

[LaT]

I don't get the fuss from some of our ppl on here. Tigers never said Moltzen was released, we always made very specific factual statements about the situation.

But we didn't say anything when Dragons announced the signing. If we wanted Moltzen to stay we should have put an end to it then and there. But its like we wanted a bet each way, so we never technically released him.

If Lui didn't screw up again and Moltzen was ready, we would have just let Moltzen go and never heard another word about it.

If Dragons did this to us, I would be throwing F-bombs like you wouldn't believe.

 

[Juro]

If the dragons were happy believing they had signed Moltzen but we hadn't officially released him, it would be in our best interests to let the dragons carry on believing. By them not realising their mistake, they have weakened their team for 2012.

If they have not negotiated with other players for that position, who's fault is that?

 

[LaT]

Australia is a small market, League is even smaller. Its good business to maintain a working relationship with other NRL clubs, especially other Sydney based NRL clubs.

 

[tiger91]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought that Humphries said (at the time the Dragons announced the Moltzen signing) that he would be looking into it. I assume he means the details of what what went down between Moltz and the Dragons and how we may go about keeping him.

I would also assume that he would come out now to fight to keep him, rather than at the time of the signing, as it would detract from Moltzen's (and the overall team) focus away from their game performances.

That would be the smart thing to do wouldn't it? Not drag Moltz through a dog fight when he needs to be focused on the games ahead.
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[T-REXX]

at the end of the day, the wheels are in motion and there is no use speculating what may or may not happen..
No use trying to 2nd guess what they are doing or what they should have done.. or what they are trying or not trying to do.

We all know what Moltz wants to do… STAY a Tiger.
We know the Saints are going to be filthy at us... SO be it.

Troy

 

[Blackandwhite]

The fact is the Tigers have not ever given Moltz a release… They told him that he could negotiate elsewhere but saying that is totally different to saying, here's a release go play there....

They may not have released him but they made salary cap calculations under the assumption he would not be with us next year.

As I said before both Moltzen and Lui are staying….But someone else will have to go.

 

[happy_tiger]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought that Humphreys said (at the time the Dragons announced the Moltzen signing) that he would be looking into it. I assume he means the details of what what went down between Moltz and the Dragons and how we may go about keeping him.

I would also assume that he would come out now to fight to keep him, rather than at the time of the signing, as it would detract from Moltzen's (and the overall team) focus away from their game performances.

That would be the smart thing to do wouldn't it? Not drag Moltz through a dog fight when he needs to be focused on the games ahead.
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With everything that was already going on with player unrest and the players going to Cronulla etc at that time it would of been the worst time to bring it up
Can you imagine the stress on the players and particularly Moltzen himself if this had all happened mid season Let it settle down and make some informed decisions once everything was known and all had level heads
The club has 100% done the right thing in the way they have handled this .

 

[LaT]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought that Humphreys said (at the time the Dragons announced the Moltzen signing) that he would be looking into it. I assume he means the details of what what went down between Moltz and the Dragons and how we may go about keeping him.

I would also assume that he would come out now to fight to keep him, rather than at the time of the signing, as it would detract from Moltzen's (and the overall team) focus away from their game performances.

That would be the smart thing to do wouldn't it? Not drag Moltz through a dog fight when he needs to be focused on the games ahead.
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With everything that was already going on with player unrest and the players going to Cronulla etc at that time it would of been the worst time to bring it up
Can you imagine the stress on the players and particularly Moltzen himself if this had all happened mid season Let it settle down and make some informed decisions once everything was known and all had level heads
The club has 100% done the right thing in the way they have handled this .

I reckon it would have boosted team moral, and Benji would have been ecstatic to hear Moltzen wasn't going anywhere.

When Dragons announced it, we should have come out and said "no, we never released him, we told his manager to shop around only". Tauber is left red faced, Moltzen is happy as larry to stay and Dragons are pissed off but realise there is little they can do as Tauber was the one who stuffed up.

IMO, we were always letting Moltzen go which is why Humphreys never said anything. But with his reversal in form and the Lui incident, we are now changing our tune.

 

[innsaneink]

Yep.
An each way bet La T.
Its poor form

The players AND the fans, supporters and members have all been led up the garden path.

The club knew Saints would announce his signing before it happened.

To all you people saying theres nothing wrong with this, I hope you personally dont operate this way…say one thing - do another.

 

[that_guy]

Yep.
An each way bet La T.
Its poor form

The players AND the fans, supporters and members have all been led up the garden path.

The club knew Saints would announce his signing before it happened.

To all you people saying theres nothing wrong with this, I hope you personally dont operate this way…say one thing - do another.

why is everybody getting all cut by the fact that tigers didnt open their mouth about this until now.

they have worked this perfectly, but keeping moltz and also by stuffing over the dragons.

ink, surely you cant have an issue with saying one thing and doing another…..as long as its not illegal, its fine. The whole point of any business is to stretch morals as far as possible for personal gain. Not illegal, no worries :smiley:

 

[drummertim]

i have been saying all year he shouldn't go funny how you all changed your tune, seriously though i like his chances of staying usually a club will grant you a release if your heart isn't 100% committed to them, why would a club wantv a player who doesn't want to be there

 

[Yossarian]

Yep.
An each way bet La T.
Its poor form

The players AND the fans, supporters and members have all been led up the garden path.

The club knew Saints would announce his signing before it happened.

To all you people saying theres nothing wrong with this, I hope you personally dont operate this way…say one thing - do another.

why is everybody getting all cut by the fact that tigers didnt open their mouth about this until now.

they have worked this perfectly, but keeping moltz and also by stuffing over the dragons.

ink, surely you cant have an issue with saying one thing and doing another…..as long as its not illegal, its fine. The whole point of any business is to stretch morals as far as possible for personal gain. Not illegal, no worries :smiley:

Well it's not the way I want my club to conduct its business. I'd hate to think that the lateness of this move was a tactical decision. I don't think it was but I'd be disappointed if that was even a small consideration.

 

[that_guy]

Yep.
An each way bet La T.
Its poor form

The players AND the fans, supporters and members have all been led up the garden path.

The club knew Saints would announce his signing before it happened.

To all you people saying theres nothing wrong with this, I hope you personally dont operate this way…say one thing - do another.

why is everybody getting all cut by the fact that tigers didnt open their mouth about this until now.

they have worked this perfectly, but keeping moltz and also by stuffing over the dragons.

ink, surely you cant have an issue with saying one thing and doing another…..as long as its not illegal, its fine. The whole point of any business is to stretch morals as far as possible for personal gain. Not illegal, no worries :smiley:

Well it's not the way I want my club to conduct its business. I'd hate to think that the lateness of this move was a tactical decision. I don't think it was but I'd be disappointed if that was even a small consideration.

either way, its tigers gain….so lets all accept we are keeping him on his original deal.
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