Yeah im happy to revisit it. Obviously there was an issue or Madge wouldn't have said Mbye had been challenged around his game. I'll always call a spade a spade and i'm happy to say he was much better in the physical aspect of the game which to me is his most worrying trait. One swallow doesn't make a summer though, so it will take much more than 1 good game every 9 to satisfy me. Especially for a guy on around 700k a year.
OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]
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TheDaBoss
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Mbye pounces into selection frame for injury-hit Maroons
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Tony Webeck
NRL.com reporter
Timestamp
Sat 11 May 2019, 01:01 PM
As the state of Queensland desperately searches for fit footballers for Origin I, forgotten man Moses Mbye issued a timely reminder of his worth in Wests Tigers' disposal of Penrith on Friday night.
The Tigers captain backed up to finish off the work done by Luke Brooks and Ryan Matterson to score the first of his team's six tries in the 30-4 win, but it was his desperation in defence in the second half that drew highest praise from his coach.
With Maroons selectors monitoring the ankle injury to Daly Cherry-Evans and fans praying for a Cameron Smith about-face, Mbye thrust his name forward as a potential solution to the utility position on the interchange bench.
Equipped to play fullback, in the halves or at hooker, Mbye provides the versatility Queensland coach Kevin Walters will be looking to implement into his team.
Described as "a natural leader" by Walters four years ago, Mbye was a member of the Queensland Emerging Origin squad in 2016 and 2017 but told NRL.com that he didn't consider himself the forgotten man of the Maroons' injury crisis.
"Not at all. Origin is a reward and a privilege and comes off the back of quality form at your club," Mbye said.
Match Highlights: Wests Tigers v Panthers
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Match Highlights: Wests Tigers v Panthers
"For me it's about concentrating on my form here at the Tigers and leading this team to get as many wins as we can.
"Those sorts of things are a reward and they come off the back of the form that you show at your club.
"I'm just going to concentrate on performing well here at club land for the Tigers and hopefully string some wins together."
While he picked up the opening try and very nearly had a second to start the second half, it was two separate try-saving tackles on Penrith winger Josh Mansour that most pleased Tigers coach Michael Maguire.
The first was a classical cover-defending tackle on a runaway Mansour that took the Panthers speedster over the sideline and the second a full-body commitment to crash into Mansour and jolt the ball free in the corner.
Maguire explained in the post-match press conference that Mbye had been challenged personally in recent weeks, the skipper happy he was able to help sniff out any sense of a Penrith comeback.
"Over the last couple of weeks when I've been presented moments like one-on-one tackles and things like that I haven't executed as good as I know I can,” Mbye explained.
"Me and ‘Madge’ [Maguire] obviously work very closely and that was something that we really wanted to focus on, competing hard and getting myself in those positions to make the plays.
"It was good to be able to make that play at that certain time and now it's about being consistent with it. That's what we're required to do.”
Where could Magic Round be held in future?
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Where could Magic Round be held in future?
Due to face Melbourne in Melbourne next Thursday, the task of recording back-to-back wins for the first time since round two is a challenging one for the Wests Tigers but one Mbye says they must be able to meet if they hope to play finals football in 2019.
"There's certainly some inconsistency around our performances and is something that we have spoken about,” said Mbye, who ran for 122 metres and had four tackle breaks against the Panthers.
"In terms of the mental capacity of our team, a big part of it comes down to our leadership.
"To have Benji in the camp and back out on the field with us is a big bonus for us. That's the benefit you get from having players with experience and leadership qualities in your side.
"It's something that we definitely have to address because we can't be going win-loss-win-loss throughout the whole year.”
Author
Tony Webeck
NRL.com reporter
Timestamp
Sat 11 May 2019, 01:01 PM
As the state of Queensland desperately searches for fit footballers for Origin I, forgotten man Moses Mbye issued a timely reminder of his worth in Wests Tigers' disposal of Penrith on Friday night.
The Tigers captain backed up to finish off the work done by Luke Brooks and Ryan Matterson to score the first of his team's six tries in the 30-4 win, but it was his desperation in defence in the second half that drew highest praise from his coach.
With Maroons selectors monitoring the ankle injury to Daly Cherry-Evans and fans praying for a Cameron Smith about-face, Mbye thrust his name forward as a potential solution to the utility position on the interchange bench.
Equipped to play fullback, in the halves or at hooker, Mbye provides the versatility Queensland coach Kevin Walters will be looking to implement into his team.
Described as "a natural leader" by Walters four years ago, Mbye was a member of the Queensland Emerging Origin squad in 2016 and 2017 but told NRL.com that he didn't consider himself the forgotten man of the Maroons' injury crisis.
"Not at all. Origin is a reward and a privilege and comes off the back of quality form at your club," Mbye said.
Match Highlights: Wests Tigers v Panthers
>
Match Highlights: Wests Tigers v Panthers
"For me it's about concentrating on my form here at the Tigers and leading this team to get as many wins as we can.
"Those sorts of things are a reward and they come off the back of the form that you show at your club.
"I'm just going to concentrate on performing well here at club land for the Tigers and hopefully string some wins together."
While he picked up the opening try and very nearly had a second to start the second half, it was two separate try-saving tackles on Penrith winger Josh Mansour that most pleased Tigers coach Michael Maguire.
The first was a classical cover-defending tackle on a runaway Mansour that took the Panthers speedster over the sideline and the second a full-body commitment to crash into Mansour and jolt the ball free in the corner.
Maguire explained in the post-match press conference that Mbye had been challenged personally in recent weeks, the skipper happy he was able to help sniff out any sense of a Penrith comeback.
"Over the last couple of weeks when I've been presented moments like one-on-one tackles and things like that I haven't executed as good as I know I can,” Mbye explained.
"Me and ‘Madge’ [Maguire] obviously work very closely and that was something that we really wanted to focus on, competing hard and getting myself in those positions to make the plays.
"It was good to be able to make that play at that certain time and now it's about being consistent with it. That's what we're required to do.”
Where could Magic Round be held in future?
>
Where could Magic Round be held in future?
Due to face Melbourne in Melbourne next Thursday, the task of recording back-to-back wins for the first time since round two is a challenging one for the Wests Tigers but one Mbye says they must be able to meet if they hope to play finals football in 2019.
"There's certainly some inconsistency around our performances and is something that we have spoken about,” said Mbye, who ran for 122 metres and had four tackle breaks against the Panthers.
"In terms of the mental capacity of our team, a big part of it comes down to our leadership.
"To have Benji in the camp and back out on the field with us is a big bonus for us. That's the benefit you get from having players with experience and leadership qualities in your side.
"It's something that we definitely have to address because we can't be going win-loss-win-loss throughout the whole year.”
NSW have so many good options for origin.
Poor QLD - talking up Reed Mahoney & Mbye as possible starters.
The cupboard is empty.
Poor QLD - talking up Reed Mahoney & Mbye as possible starters.
The cupboard is empty.
crazycat
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Mbye was a bad buy and a bad choice. I hated him.
Though I have to admit his form against Penrith was great.
Defense, he can read the plays and gets into the right position. He just can't stop the play. he interferes, but does not stop the try. I was worried he would not even read the plays, but he seems to get what is happening just not able to prevent it. This could be worked on.
Ball handling: Yes this is a worry. It's not as bad as say Bryce Gibbs in his day but still a worry.
Attack: I am coming around to liking his attack. He is clearly a halfback playing fullback seeing an opening and pushing a player through, the exact opposite to Tedesco. As a WT fan I love unconventional plays and starting to like this.
Overall I was worried Mbye was a 350K player on a 750K contract from Canterbury with them paying a 250k rider. Now he actually seems to be earning some of his paycheck. He is NOT in the top 8 of fullbacks, but maybe now getting into the top 12.
I honestly hope the Moron's (sorry QLD) pick him on the bench or at Fullback. Being in that setting will improve his game no end.
Though I have to admit his form against Penrith was great.
Defense, he can read the plays and gets into the right position. He just can't stop the play. he interferes, but does not stop the try. I was worried he would not even read the plays, but he seems to get what is happening just not able to prevent it. This could be worked on.
Ball handling: Yes this is a worry. It's not as bad as say Bryce Gibbs in his day but still a worry.
Attack: I am coming around to liking his attack. He is clearly a halfback playing fullback seeing an opening and pushing a player through, the exact opposite to Tedesco. As a WT fan I love unconventional plays and starting to like this.
Overall I was worried Mbye was a 350K player on a 750K contract from Canterbury with them paying a 250k rider. Now he actually seems to be earning some of his paycheck. He is NOT in the top 8 of fullbacks, but maybe now getting into the top 12.
I honestly hope the Moron's (sorry QLD) pick him on the bench or at Fullback. Being in that setting will improve his game no end.
jirskyr
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I honestly still think some of you miss the point. It's not just that Mbye is good half the weeks and bad half the weeks - does the team provide a platform to allow him to play at his best every week?
E.g. Mbye does not drop a couple of tough bombs if we stop Roosters putting up 100 tough bombs.
The real question is - if Tigers are consistently playing well, does Mbye then play well? Are Mbye's "good matches" this year a result of the team allowing him to play well.
It's meaningless for Tigers if Mbye plays well every week but the rest of the side does not keep that up. It's like vintage Robbie Farah, where around 2008 he was absolutely fantastic every single week, but that didn't matter when the rest of the team wasn't there with him.
What we need to do first is stop focusing on Mbye or Brooks or one specific other dude and instead focus on the entire team playing to 80%+ of ability every week, developing performances week on week.
THEN you judge the real capability of your most important players in the most important positions.
E.g. Mbye does not drop a couple of tough bombs if we stop Roosters putting up 100 tough bombs.
The real question is - if Tigers are consistently playing well, does Mbye then play well? Are Mbye's "good matches" this year a result of the team allowing him to play well.
It's meaningless for Tigers if Mbye plays well every week but the rest of the side does not keep that up. It's like vintage Robbie Farah, where around 2008 he was absolutely fantastic every single week, but that didn't matter when the rest of the team wasn't there with him.
What we need to do first is stop focusing on Mbye or Brooks or one specific other dude and instead focus on the entire team playing to 80%+ of ability every week, developing performances week on week.
THEN you judge the real capability of your most important players in the most important positions.
simonthetiger
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Im sorry but this bloke just doesn't cut it.
Crucial errors every game that really cost us. Last night he murdered a try by ignoring a clear overlap, did his Darius Boyd impersonation to let in the match winning try and where the hell was he when the bomb went up for that soft try??
His positioning is dead set awful and costing us, the difference between the fullbacks last night was like chalk and cheese.
And tell me Corey Thompson wouldnt go better, at least he puts his body on the line and gets in position.
Nofa back on the wing, Thompson FB and Mbye 14 and im happy.
Crucial errors every game that really cost us. Last night he murdered a try by ignoring a clear overlap, did his Darius Boyd impersonation to let in the match winning try and where the hell was he when the bomb went up for that soft try??
His positioning is dead set awful and costing us, the difference between the fullbacks last night was like chalk and cheese.
And tell me Corey Thompson wouldnt go better, at least he puts his body on the line and gets in position.
Nofa back on the wing, Thompson FB and Mbye 14 and im happy.
avocadoontoast
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@simonthetiger said in [MBYE](/post/1013269) said:
Have you been watching Nofo in reserves lately? Be careful what you wish for.
GNR4LIFE
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Yes, he’s struggling. But the reality is he’s captain, which means Madge sees him as an integral part of the team. So he won’t be dropped.
CarltonDry
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@GNR4LIFE said in [MBYE](/post/1013274) said:
So he’ll be the 1st picked for the next 3 1/2 years 🤯
I was disappointed with him last night. When he is on, he is on, but when he's not he is woeful.
He's not the player that came over last year.
Agree with OP on the three major clangers last night. All three contributed to the scoreline directly.
He's not the player that came over last year.
Agree with OP on the three major clangers last night. All three contributed to the scoreline directly.
I'm not going to harp on about him. My feelings on him i have made clear. It's his lack of willingness to get involved in physical contact that i find most disturbing. Two examples last night, the kick through that Thompson dived for IMO was just as easy for Mbye to take yet he didn't show the urgency Thompson did to get there and secondly, the last try. I understand it's not always easy if someone puts footwork on you, but i compared him to Darius a couple of weeks ago and to me that attempt had Boyd written all over it.
He's not a big guy Mbye, but you don't have to be big to be physical ( just ask Linc Withers)
He's not a big guy Mbye, but you don't have to be big to be physical ( just ask Linc Withers)
TheDaBoss
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Dylan smith if mbye gets injured
momo_amp_medo
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I’m sure neither he nor Madge are happy how his form and injuries have had a negative affect, this year.
I really think that captaincy is a chore he does not need. He has to concentrate and focus to improve on some serious deficiencies he has in his game.
Plus I don’t see him as a motivating, barking type of player that is normally demanded from a (c).
Nothing will change this year but next year Madge may have to make a change.
I really think that captaincy is a chore he does not need. He has to concentrate and focus to improve on some serious deficiencies he has in his game.
Plus I don’t see him as a motivating, barking type of player that is normally demanded from a (c).
Nothing will change this year but next year Madge may have to make a change.
Bombing the try in the corner is simply unforgivable - having said that, Masters and Brooks did EXACTLY the same thing - Brooks just so happened to get extremely Lucky and get that ball down.
Is it a problem with Jennings maybe? He seems to be the common thread in all these moments...
Is it a problem with Jennings maybe? He seems to be the common thread in all these moments...
Tim Sheens
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@underdog said in [MBYE](/post/1013301) said:
I'm not so sure, as they seemed to have us covered with their sliding defence, with an inside angled runner looking the necessary play all night, as Jennings has shown to have pretty well nothing unless in plenty of space.
Ten games in now, so time to sort out the inconsistenty at the back, with centre and wing also needing attention. There has already been a swapping of a few, but a change, at least one, is overdue.
gallagher
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@formerguest said in [MBYE](/post/1013308) said:
We really only have one centre I think.
Tim Sheens
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@gallagher maybe, but not much point in the coach keeping Momirovski travelling with the team in the nineteen if he is not going to use him.
We are fast approaching June 30 and hope we are targeting a player that is as comfortable at the back, as he is as a threequarter.
We are fast approaching June 30 and hope we are targeting a player that is as comfortable at the back, as he is as a threequarter.
avocadoontoast
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@formerguest said in [MBYE](/post/1013313) said:
James Roberts would come in quite handy right now.
BalmainJnr
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@momo_amp_medo was thinking similarily myself. Starting to wonder if he is one of those burdened by the captaincy to the point of impacting his play. He certainly seemed to take it on reluctantly by all reports.
