Nathan Cleary

[Telltails]

Not sure what Ivans relationship with Gould is really like. After the way Gould made his sacking a public affair, not sure he would be so supportive of Goud trying to tie up the services of his son long-term.
Nathan appears to have a great relationship with his father, and the actions of the great Gus may come back to bite him on the butt with this one.

I'm almost positive Gould mentioned in commentary that he travelled to the game with Ivan when we played at Campbeltown, not the last game but the game before that. So your not going to sit in a car with someone when you dont need too, so i assume their relationship is at least semi friendly.

Truth be known Doc I wouldn't have a clue what level of friendship they have, all assumption on my part - maybe even a bit of wishful thinkng.

 

[Yossarian]

I'd love to have Nathan at the club, but Coaching your own Son can be a minefield. Even ( or especially ) in First grade.
When he's playing well it would be fine. But when he has the inevitable form drops, that's when the pressure rises.
They have a great relationship, and maybe could make it worth it. But a lot would rather not put that relationship under strain. It may not be worth the risk.

Worked out OK for Johnny and Martin Lang.

Ditto for Wayne Bennett and Darius Boyd. :mrgreen:

You mean Scott Minto surely!

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Not sure what Ivans relationship with Gould is really like. After the way Gould made his sacking a public affair, not sure he would be so supportive of Goud trying to tie up the services of his son long-term.
Nathan appears to have a great relationship with his father, and the actions of the great Gus may come back to bite him on the butt with this one.

I'm almost positive Gould mentioned in commentary that he travelled to the game with Ivan when we played at Campbeltown, not the last game but the game before that. So your not going to sit in a car with someone when you dont need too, so i assume their relationship is at least semi friendly.

Truth be known Doc I wouldn't have a clue what level of friendship they have, all assumption on my part - maybe even a bit of wishful thinkng.

Nor would i mate apart from that snippet i heard during the commentary as i said, i would have assumed there would be some sour grapes there from Cleary i dont know anyone who happily gets the sack, he might be the exception to the rule :laughing:

 

[Wa_Mag_Tig]

On Nathan Cleary tonight. He put in kicks that commentators were calling good kicks, they were nothing more than kicking straight to the winger or fullback. Press just
love to love him no matter what. He's forward pack got smashed tonight. Not even Joey Johns could have turned Manlys efforts tonight. Brooks has had to live with a backwards forward pack for most of his career. Next year, if we gell, and our new pack become a pack brooks and our new signings will very much benefit. My point, Nathan looks great but only behind a pack. No Pack No Nathan. No Pack no any halfback.

 

[HabboTiger]

Well said

 

[Wa_Mag_Tig]

On Nathan Cleary tonight. He put in kicks that commentators were calling good kicks, they were nothing more than kicking straight to the winger or fullback. Press just
love to love him no matter what. He's forward pack got smashed tonight. Not even Joey Johns could have turned Manlys efforts tonight. Brooks has had to live with a backwards forward pack for most of his career. Next year, if we gell, and our new pack become a pack brooks and our new signings will very much benefit. My point, Nathan looks great but only behind a pack. No Pack No Nathan. No Pack no any halfback.

 

[Fraze23]

Not sure what Ivans relationship with Gould is really like. After the way Gould made his sacking a public affair, not sure he would be so supportive of Goud trying to tie up the services of his son long-term.
Nathan appears to have a great relationship with his father, and the actions of the great Gus may come back to bite him on the butt with this one.

I'm almost positive Gould mentioned in commentary that he travelled to the game with Ivan when we played at Campbeltown, not the last game but the game before that. So your not going to sit in a car with someone when you dont need too, so i assume their relationship is at least semi friendly.

Truth be known Doc I wouldn't have a clue what level of friendship they have, all assumption on my part - maybe even a bit of wishful thinkng.

I don't think Ivan would be the kind of bloke who would put his personal grievances ahead of the best interests of his son, if he does in fact have an issue with Gus. I think he'll do whatever's best for Nathan at the time, whether thatbe staying at Penrith, coming to us or any other club.

 

[Wa_Mag_Tig]

Sorry just posted same thing twice. I'm knew to forum and useless when it comes to computers or anything along those lines.

 

[Wa_Mag_Tig]

I do believe Ivan got sacked because he didn't want his son exposed to so much exposure as he is getting now. Ivan has been there and done that and would know how players can be treated like cattle. You look good i want you. You fail and i don't care about you. Ivan knows how good his son is but wanted a bit more time. GUS Gould the supposed GOD of football overstepped a father's call and sacked him. Then threw the kid in. Time will tell? Will Nathan keep it up? Me thinks only under Dad at the tigers and slowly but surely. My thoughts only!!!

 

[mightymagpie]

That SMH article more or less said this:
- Ivan not happy with Gus with how he was sacked from Penriff
- Ivan would advise Nathan there's no need for him to extend his contract at Penriff but added it was Nathan's decision to do as he pleases
- Ivan said coaching his son would only work if he was established first grader
- Ivan finds it difficult coaching against Nathan but knows he will have to do it for at least another couple of years.

So make of that whatever you like. These were my observations when I read the article a few weeks ago. Of course I'm biased and hope to see Nathan Cleary at WT.

On the other hand Gus might see the error of his ways in a years time and realise Griffin is not half the coach Ivan is and entice Ivan back to the Panthers. Or the Rorters might take Ivan and Nathan with their brown paper bag economy.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I'd love to have Nathan at the club, but Coaching your own Son can be a minefield. Even ( or especially ) in First grade.
When he's playing well it would be fine. But when he has the inevitable form drops, that's when the pressure rises.
They have a great relationship, and maybe could make it worth it. But a lot would rather not put that relationship under strain. It may not be worth the risk.

Worked out OK for Johnny and Martin Lang.

Lang coached his son his whole career, even moved clubs with him, and won a premiership, so that I think could be classed as successful.

I'm not sure where I said it was impossible. Just that itcould be a minefield.
And Both of them are probably well aware of that.

 

[tiger05premier]

A good story about him on NRL.COM but i don't know how to post it.

Can somebody else do it please

 

[wt01]

Tue 14 Nov, 2017, 6:00pm
Cleary's desire to coach son Nathan
Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary says he is happy for son Nathan to be playing at the Panthers… for now. Credit: Grant Trouville. Copyright: NRL Photos.
Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary has openly expressed a desire to coach his son Nathan at some stage of his burgeoning NRL career.

In an exclusive interview with NRL.com, Cleary stressed the Tigers are not devising any plans to extricate Nathan from Penrith to the Concord-based club.

But the 46-year-old was also not hiding the fact he wanted to work with his son in the future.

Nathan Cleary, who turned 20 this week, is contracted to the Panthers until the end of 2019\. The pair have already discussed the possibilities from then onwards.

“Basically we’re both coming to the opinion that we’d like to play together. It’s just a question of timing really,” Cleary Snr said.

“He’s still got two years to go at the Panthers and I think that’s good for him. He’s not in a hurry to decide that, but we both realise that this situation is a pretty unique opportunity.
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“I was always conscious of never wanting to put him in a position that compromises him being up front.

“But the further (his career) is going I’m getting more confident it won’t be a problem. But we’re not thinking about it too much right now. Probably in 12 months time it will be more relevant.”

From November 1, 2018, Nathan will be free to talk with other clubs, a situation now facing another of the game’s rising stars - South Sydney forward Angus Crichton.

Crichton is off contract after the 2018 season and his manager is already fielding offers from at least two clubs in addition to the one on the table at Redfern.

Cleary topped the NRL in points last season with 228 (11 tries; 92 goals), well ahead of Dally M Medal winner Cameron Smith (192).

Cleary also led the NRL for kicks in play with 324, 37 clear of runner-up Mitchell Pearce. He was also the Panthers’ leading try scorer, beating Kiwis winger Dallin Watene-Zelezniak (nine), Matt Moylan and Tyrone Peachey (eight each).
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A reunion of the Clearys at the one NRL club would mean the first father-son combination since John and Martin Lang at Cronulla and Penrith (2002-04). Chris and Jarrad Anderson also linked at the Sharks in 2003.

Cleary Snr is preparing for his first full NRL season as coach since 2015\. He was sacked by the Panthers in October of that year – eight months before Nathan made his NRL debut.

The young halfback will have a new scrum-base partner in Cronulla premiership-winning five-eighth James Maloney, who is finalising a three-year deal with the Panthers from 2018.

Ivan Cleary is more than comfortable with the 31-year-old representative star playing a crucial role in Nathan’s development.

“A week is a long time in rugby league but a year is an age. So it’s a really good thing for Nathan to work with someone like Jimmy. I’m very happy with that,” he said.

 

[JD Tiger]

Love it, Cleary Sr is awesome at playing mind games and the press.

But this story means a few things.
Yes WT are interested in Cleary Jr in a year or so.
Yes that will place more pressure on Panthers this year to perform, knowing they may lose their key playmaker soon.
And yes Brooks knows he must step up, and no more waiting, it must be now, this year (2018).

Good time to be a Tiger.

 

[Guest]

I would think provided Cleary performs well as Wests Tigers coach, then there's every reason to think that we'll see Nathan here in a couple of years time.

 

[tiger05premier]

Extend IC contract a year or two now so it lessens the chances of the panthers success at maybe trying to get him back to keep NC there

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I would think provided Cleary performs well as Wests Tigers coach, then there's every reason to think that we'll see Nathan here in a couple of years time.

I agree, very much to our advantage because it certainly won't be the other way around if Gus still has anything to do with Penrith by then.

 

[happy_tiger]

I would think provided Cleary performs well as Wests Tigers coach, then there's every reason to think that we'll see Nathan here in a couple of years time.

I'm guessing that Mitchell Moses saw the writing on the wall very early

WT's should be lining up a massive TPA for Nathan Cleary as we speak

 

[Guest]

I would think provided Cleary performs well as Wests Tigers coach, then there's every reason to think that we'll see Nathan here in a couple of years time.

I'm guessing that Mitchell Moses saw the writing on the wall very early

WT's should be lining up a massive TPA for Nathan Cleary as we speak

All the signs are there that he's one of those players you build a team around. One thing is certain, if we are to get him on board down the track, our kicking game will improve immensely if Brooks can't get it together next season.

 

[WT2K]

Definitely won't be happening at the panthers. Hope it's with us!