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[Viking Warrior]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Mostly agree with this but just wished to add the coach is responsible for building the team's culture, and our performance culture should be our ( the club's) main concern or priority IMO.
Posed in another thread, why aren't internal questions being asked about the standards (in all departments) and the failure to live up to them. Seems almost everyone reduces or lowers theirs when being here at the club and they're totally not in accordance to our vision, goals or mission statement.

From my sources we are coming from a place not so long ago where pay was going in late, players were asked to contribute for basic expenses and the like. This was a while ago now but that stuff sticks. I’d be surprised if we aren’t still lagging behind in some of these important areas. Some of our signings still reek of desperation. Bring on Mr Sheens.

Your sources? Anasta?

Lol can't believe he captained us, what a douche.

 

[cochise]

Rothfield & hooper are sickening to watch ?

Hooper is worse than Slothfield imo .
He’s got nothing ..
At least Buzz talks crap ?

Paul Crawley ?

crawley is the worst!!!! most bias towards the putrid bunnies.....

I have a pitch....

get 5 random fans from different teams, and have the public vote for which one stays until the next week with points allocated on non-bias, football smarts, personality and banter.

Might be craptacular but people would get more value than the current list of oxygen thieves they have now

I actually have an idea for a show called "Fan Perspective" where each week they get fans from a couple of clubs that are in the news on and do a panel like discussion. I think it would be more interesting than what they have now.

 

[OzLuke]

Rothfield & hooper are sickening to watch ?

Hooper is worse than Slothfield imo .
He’s got nothing ..
At least Buzz talks crap ?

Paul Crawley ?

crawley is the worst!!!! most bias towards the putrid bunnies.....

I have a pitch....

get 5 random fans from different teams, and have the public vote for which one stays until the next week with points allocated on non-bias, football smarts, personality and banter.

Might be craptacular but people would get more value than the current list of oxygen thieves they have now

I actually have an idea for a show called "Fan Perspective" where each week they get fans from a couple of clubs that are in the news on and do a panel like discussion. I think it would be more interesting than what they have now.

you could do that off your own steam and see how much momentum it gets. it would leave the other shows for dust except maybe matty johns

 

[cochise]

Rothfield & hooper are sickening to watch ?

Hooper is worse than Slothfield imo .
He’s got nothing ..
At least Buzz talks crap ?

Paul Crawley ?

crawley is the worst!!!! most bias towards the putrid bunnies.....

I have a pitch....

get 5 random fans from different teams, and have the public vote for which one stays until the next week with points allocated on non-bias, football smarts, personality and banter.

Might be craptacular but people would get more value than the current list of oxygen thieves they have now

I actually have an idea for a show called "Fan Perspective" where each week they get fans from a couple of clubs that are in the news on and do a panel like discussion. I think it would be more interesting than what they have now.

you could do that off your own steam and see how much momentum it gets. it would leave the other shows for dust except maybe matty johns

I have thought about it lol, but am already do a podcast. I met Yvonne Sampson the earlier in the year and nearly pitched it to her.

 

[OzLuke]

Rothfield & hooper are sickening to watch ?

Hooper is worse than Slothfield imo .
He’s got nothing ..
At least Buzz talks crap ?

Paul Crawley ?

crawley is the worst!!!! most bias towards the putrid bunnies.....

I have a pitch....

get 5 random fans from different teams, and have the public vote for which one stays until the next week with points allocated on non-bias, football smarts, personality and banter.

Might be craptacular but people would get more value than the current list of oxygen thieves they have now

I actually have an idea for a show called "Fan Perspective" where each week they get fans from a couple of clubs that are in the news on and do a panel like discussion. I think it would be more interesting than what they have now.

you could do that off your own steam and see how much momentum it gets. it would leave the other shows for dust except maybe matty johns

I have thought about it lol, but am already do a podcast. I met Yvonne Sampson the earlier in the year and nearly pitched it to her.

you should've taken your shot....

 

[iofthetigers]

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Potter is the one coach I don’t think was given a real go by the Tigers & probably the reason why the board will stick with Madge

 

[OzLuke]

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Potter is the one coach I don’t think was given a real go by the Tigers & probably the reason why the board will stick with Madge

they needed a villain and found it in Potter. I thought he was hard done by at the start of the Go era

 

[GCfan]

I find Benji very uninteresting. He hadn't got the skills to host the show, neither has Graham.

This is what I was saying...

Graham is good because he knows his stuff.. but an hour, most nights of the week isn't fan friendly.

Ginnane is annoying and comes across as an unfunny comedian... isn't enjoyable to the fans who want serious footy talk.

They're in trouble.

If we get Braith, Ennis or Cronk... it's looking bad too.

Wouldn't mind Ginnane and as a host. Pitt or Warren Smith would be good too.

Warren Smith, in my opinion is the best commentator around these days.

Ultra professionalism.

Good suggestion.

Hope it’s not brandy ..deadset gerbil ?

That’s an insult to Gerbils man!

 

[OzLuke]

I find Benji very uninteresting. He hadn't got the skills to host the show, neither has Graham.

This is what I was saying...

Graham is good because he knows his stuff.. but an hour, most nights of the week isn't fan friendly.

Ginnane is annoying and comes across as an unfunny comedian... isn't enjoyable to the fans who want serious footy talk.

They're in trouble.

If we get Braith, Ennis or Cronk... it's looking bad too.

Wouldn't mind Ginnane and as a host. Pitt or Warren Smith would be good too.

Warren Smith, in my opinion is the best commentator around these days.

Ultra professionalism.

Good suggestion.

Hope it’s not brandy ..deadset gerbil ?


That’s an insult to Gerbils man!

my oldies used to call alexander the gobbledok because he looked like that thing that ate all the chips

 

[GCfan]

I find Benji very uninteresting. He hadn't got the skills to host the show, neither has Graham.

This is what I was saying...

Graham is good because he knows his stuff.. but an hour, most nights of the week isn't fan friendly.

Ginnane is annoying and comes across as an unfunny comedian... isn't enjoyable to the fans who want serious footy talk.

They're in trouble.

If we get Braith, Ennis or Cronk... it's looking bad too.

Wouldn't mind Ginnane and as a host. Pitt or Warren Smith would be good too.

Warren Smith, in my opinion is the best commentator around these days.

Ultra professionalism.

Good suggestion.

Hope it’s not brandy ..deadset gerbil ?


That’s an insult to Gerbils man!

my oldies used to call alexander the gobbledok because he looked like that thing that ate all the chips

Mmmm Chippies!

 

[OzLuke]

I find Benji very uninteresting. He hadn't got the skills to host the show, neither has Graham.

This is what I was saying...

Graham is good because he knows his stuff.. but an hour, most nights of the week isn't fan friendly.

Ginnane is annoying and comes across as an unfunny comedian... isn't enjoyable to the fans who want serious footy talk.

They're in trouble.

If we get Braith, Ennis or Cronk... it's looking bad too.

Wouldn't mind Ginnane and as a host. Pitt or Warren Smith would be good too.

Warren Smith, in my opinion is the best commentator around these days.

Ultra professionalism.

Good suggestion.

Hope it’s not brandy ..deadset gerbil ?


That’s an insult to Gerbils man!

my oldies used to call alexander the gobbledok because he looked like that thing that ate all the chips

Mmmm Chippies!

kids these days wouldn't know

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Who’d want one tbh hiding to nothing if you’re not at a big club

I would say he would.

Hasn’t applied for a single one

 

[cochise]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Who’d want one tbh hiding to nothing if you’re not at a big club

I would say he would.

Hasn’t applied for a single one

How do you know that?

 

[hobbo1]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Potter admits it himself that it holds him back.

That was the last year i had a membership ..

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Who’d want one tbh hiding to nothing if you’re not at a big club

I would say he would.

Hasn’t applied for a single one

How do you know that?

Connections within the Fiji Bati setup

 

[TonyTiger]

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Potter is the one coach I don’t think was given a real go by the Tigers & probably the reason why the board will stick with Madge

I agree - I felt sorry for Potter, Robbie overstepped the mark to bring him down - we had some exciting attacking moves under Potter

 

[gallagher]

Yvonne got the gig. Not a fan but at least Hadley wasnt picked.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Yvonne got the gig. Not a fan but at least Hadley wasnt picked.

it was never going to be Hadley with 2gb gig and the like
Yvonne is ok rather her than Lara Pitt

 

[tony soprano]

Can’t see Kent and the show lasting too much longer with that news

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

it will be a different show now probably not as good