NRL 360

[BalmainJnr]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sampson replaced Ikin. I would be chuffed if it was Warren Smith though.

 

[kiwitiger]

Have a feeling its going to either Anasta or Ginnane to replace Ikin

Gee I hope its not Anasta !!:face_with_rolling_eyes:

Hopefully not Ginnane and his grating voice... plus the way he uses superlatives in his calls in an effort to make himself sound intelligent.
eg 'That was a majestic tackle.' ... with a long emphasis on the 'majestic'.


Ginnane is even worse than Hadley and i honestly never thought i would be able to say that

I must be in the minority
I like Ginnane

Hadleys a Wanker and I’m not talking Richard Hadley

I like Ginnane too.

I thought he was good also when he hosted 360 not that long ago

He's goofy and has an annoying voice.
I won't watch 360 if he's on it.
He doesn't have the charisma to succeed.

I won't prey for his downfall though.
?

Ginnane a deadset muppet

Agree, not a fan.
I don't think he can carry a show and if he can, I am sure the fans aren't going to be able to tolerate that voice.

Ikin is a huge loss for foxsports.
Their roster is very poor imo.

Gasnier was great and they didn't renew his contract.

The super Saturday crew are so unlikeable.
Corey Parker as well.
Cronk is the worst.

I like Matty John's and his crew though but that's a different show.

I agree Fox Sports team is very lacklasture atm , parker is annoying and has a bronocs bias every time is talks . Pfft Anasta cant believe he has the hosting gig for the pre/post game shows lately

I dont mind ginnuane ( please stop saying ' GOODBYE" when the player has only fallen over line to score) but that has alot more to do with what other options could be out there

Cronk just doesnt stop talking

I like James Graham though!!

I like James Graham too but they’d need an interpreter sitting in the chair next to him I struggle to understand him quite often.

Have a feeling its going to either Anasta or Ginnane to replace Ikin

Gee I hope its not Anasta !!:face_with_rolling_eyes:

Hopefully not Ginnane and his grating voice... plus the way he uses superlatives in his calls in an effort to make himself sound intelligent.
eg 'That was a majestic tackle.' ... with a long emphasis on the 'majestic'.


Ginnane is even worse than Hadley and i honestly never thought i would be able to say that

I must be in the minority
I like Ginnane

Hadleys a Wanker and I’m not talking Richard Hadley

I like Ginnane too.

I thought he was good also when he hosted 360 not that long ago

He's goofy and has an annoying voice.
I won't watch 360 if he's on it.
He doesn't have the charisma to succeed.

I won't prey for his downfall though.
?

Ginnane a deadset muppet

Agree, not a fan.
I don't think he can carry a show and if he can, I am sure the fans aren't going to be able to tolerate that voice.

Ikin is a huge loss for foxsports.
Their roster is very poor imo.

Gasnier was great and they didn't renew his contract.

The super Saturday crew are so unlikeable.
Corey Parker as well.
Cronk is the worst.

I like Matty John's and his crew though but that's a different show.

I agree Fox Sports team is very lacklasture atm , parker is annoying and has a bronocs bias every time is talks . Pfft Anasta cant believe he has the hosting gig for the pre/post game shows lately

I dont mind ginnuane ( please stop saying ' GOODBYE" when the player has only fallen over line to score) but that has alot more to do with what other options could be out there

Cronk just doesnt stop talking

I like James Graham though!!

I like James Graham too but they’d need an interpreter sitting in the chair next to him I struggle to understand him quite often.

James Graham should of been booted off all TV the night he made excuses for wife beaters. Thank goodness Luke Lewis was opposite him on that show

 

[Demps]

Have a feeling its going to either Anasta or Ginnane to replace Ikin

Gee I hope its not Anasta !!:face_with_rolling_eyes:

Hopefully not Ginnane and his grating voice... plus the way he uses superlatives in his calls in an effort to make himself sound intelligent.
eg 'That was a majestic tackle.' ... with a long emphasis on the 'majestic'.


Ginnane is even worse than Hadley and i honestly never thought i would be able to say that

I must be in the minority
I like Ginnane

Hadleys a Wanker and I’m not talking Richard Hadley

I like Ginnane too.

I thought he was good also when he hosted 360 not that long ago

He's goofy and has an annoying voice.
I won't watch 360 if he's on it.
He doesn't have the charisma to succeed.

I won't prey for his downfall though.
?

Ginnane a deadset muppet

Agree, not a fan.
I don't think he can carry a show and if he can, I am sure the fans aren't going to be able to tolerate that voice.

Ikin is a huge loss for foxsports.
Their roster is very poor imo.

Gasnier was great and they didn't renew his contract.

The super Saturday crew are so unlikeable.
Corey Parker as well.
Cronk is the worst.

I like Matty John's and his crew though but that's a different show.

I agree Fox Sports team is very lacklasture atm , parker is annoying and has a bronocs bias every time is talks . Pfft Anasta cant believe he has the hosting gig for the pre/post game shows lately

I dont mind ginnuane ( please stop saying ' GOODBYE" when the player has only fallen over line to score) but that has alot more to do with what other options could be out there

Cronk just doesnt stop talking

I like James Graham though!!

I like James Graham too but they’d need an interpreter sitting in the chair next to him I struggle to understand him quite often.

Have a feeling its going to either Anasta or Ginnane to replace Ikin

Gee I hope its not Anasta !!:face_with_rolling_eyes:

Hopefully not Ginnane and his grating voice... plus the way he uses superlatives in his calls in an effort to make himself sound intelligent.
eg 'That was a majestic tackle.' ... with a long emphasis on the 'majestic'.


Ginnane is even worse than Hadley and i honestly never thought i would be able to say that

I must be in the minority
I like Ginnane

Hadleys a Wanker and I’m not talking Richard Hadley

I like Ginnane too.

I thought he was good also when he hosted 360 not that long ago

He's goofy and has an annoying voice.
I won't watch 360 if he's on it.
He doesn't have the charisma to succeed.

I won't prey for his downfall though.
?

Ginnane a deadset muppet

Agree, not a fan.
I don't think he can carry a show and if he can, I am sure the fans aren't going to be able to tolerate that voice.

Ikin is a huge loss for foxsports.
Their roster is very poor imo.

Gasnier was great and they didn't renew his contract.

The super Saturday crew are so unlikeable.
Corey Parker as well.
Cronk is the worst.

I like Matty John's and his crew though but that's a different show.

I agree Fox Sports team is very lacklasture atm , parker is annoying and has a bronocs bias every time is talks . Pfft Anasta cant believe he has the hosting gig for the pre/post game shows lately

I dont mind ginnuane ( please stop saying ' GOODBYE" when the player has only fallen over line to score) but that has alot more to do with what other options could be out there

Cronk just doesnt stop talking

I like James Graham though!!

I like James Graham too but they’d need an interpreter sitting in the chair next to him I struggle to understand him quite often.

James Graham should of been booted off all TV the night he made excuses for wife beaters. Thank goodness Luke Lewis was opposite him on that show

What show was that on?

Was he defending some one or just in general?

 

[hank37w]

Have a feeling its going to either Anasta or Ginnane to replace Ikin

Gee I hope its not Anasta !!:face_with_rolling_eyes:

Hopefully not Ginnane and his grating voice... plus the way he uses superlatives in his calls in an effort to make himself sound intelligent.
eg 'That was a majestic tackle.' ... with a long emphasis on the 'majestic'.


Ginnane is even worse than Hadley and i honestly never thought i would be able to say that

I must be in the minority
I like Ginnane

Hadleys a Wanker and I’m not talking Richard Hadley

I like Ginnane too.

I thought he was good also when he hosted 360 not that long ago

He's goofy and has an annoying voice.
I won't watch 360 if he's on it.
He doesn't have the charisma to succeed.

I won't prey for his downfall though.
?

Ginnane a deadset muppet

Agree, not a fan.
I don't think he can carry a show and if he can, I am sure the fans aren't going to be able to tolerate that voice.

Ikin is a huge loss for foxsports.
Their roster is very poor imo.

Gasnier was great and they didn't renew his contract.

The super Saturday crew are so unlikeable.
Corey Parker as well.
Cronk is the worst.

I like Matty John's and his crew though but that's a different show.

I agree Fox Sports team is very lacklasture atm , parker is annoying and has a bronocs bias every time is talks . Pfft Anasta cant believe he has the hosting gig for the pre/post game shows lately

I dont mind ginnuane ( please stop saying ' GOODBYE" when the player has only fallen over line to score) but that has alot more to do with what other options could be out there

Cronk just doesnt stop talking

I like James Graham though!!

I like James Graham too but they’d need an interpreter sitting in the chair next to him I struggle to understand him quite often.

Have a feeling its going to either Anasta or Ginnane to replace Ikin

Gee I hope its not Anasta !!:face_with_rolling_eyes:

Hopefully not Ginnane and his grating voice... plus the way he uses superlatives in his calls in an effort to make himself sound intelligent.
eg 'That was a majestic tackle.' ... with a long emphasis on the 'majestic'.


Ginnane is even worse than Hadley and i honestly never thought i would be able to say that

I must be in the minority
I like Ginnane

Hadleys a Wanker and I’m not talking Richard Hadley

I like Ginnane too.

I thought he was good also when he hosted 360 not that long ago

He's goofy and has an annoying voice.
I won't watch 360 if he's on it.
He doesn't have the charisma to succeed.

I won't prey for his downfall though.
?

Ginnane a deadset muppet

Agree, not a fan.
I don't think he can carry a show and if he can, I am sure the fans aren't going to be able to tolerate that voice.

Ikin is a huge loss for foxsports.
Their roster is very poor imo.

Gasnier was great and they didn't renew his contract.

The super Saturday crew are so unlikeable.
Corey Parker as well.
Cronk is the worst.

I like Matty John's and his crew though but that's a different show.

I agree Fox Sports team is very lacklasture atm , parker is annoying and has a bronocs bias every time is talks . Pfft Anasta cant believe he has the hosting gig for the pre/post game shows lately

I dont mind ginnuane ( please stop saying ' GOODBYE" when the player has only fallen over line to score) but that has alot more to do with what other options could be out there

Cronk just doesnt stop talking

I like James Graham though!!

I like James Graham too but they’d need an interpreter sitting in the chair next to him I struggle to understand him quite often.

James Graham should of been booted off all TV the night he made excuses for wife beaters. Thank goodness Luke Lewis was opposite him on that show

He seemed to recover some sort of respectability, which I didn't think would be possible, after trying to bite off Billy Slater's ear in the 2012 Grand Final.

Granted, it has been a while.

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

 

[mike]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Rothfield & hooper are sickening to watch ?

Hooper is worse than Slothfield imo .
He’s got nothing ..
At least Buzz talks crap ?

Paul Crawley ?

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

 

[cochise]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Who’d want one tbh hiding to nothing if you’re not at a big club

 

[cochise]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Never had another NRL head coach gig

Who’d want one tbh hiding to nothing if you’re not at a big club

I would say he would.

 

[mike]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Potter admits it himself that it holds him back.

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Potter admits it himself that it holds him back.

Fair enough, I did not know that. I still think he could be a success in the right NRL system.

 

[OzLuke]

Have a feeling its going to either Anasta or Ginnane to replace Ikin

Gee I hope its not Anasta !!:face_with_rolling_eyes:

Hopefully not Ginnane and his grating voice... plus the way he uses superlatives in his calls in an effort to make himself sound intelligent.
eg 'That was a majestic tackle.' ... with a long emphasis on the 'majestic'.


Ginnane is even worse than Hadley and i honestly never thought i would be able to say that

I must be in the minority
I like Ginnane

Hadleys a Wanker and I’m not talking Richard Hadley

I like Ginnane too.

I thought he was good also when he hosted 360 not that long ago

He's goofy and has an annoying voice.
I won't watch 360 if he's on it.
He doesn't have the charisma to succeed.

I won't prey for his downfall though.
?

Ginnane a deadset muppet

Agree, not a fan.
I don't think he can carry a show and if he can, I am sure the fans aren't going to be able to tolerate that voice.

Ikin is a huge loss for foxsports.
Their roster is very poor imo.

Gasnier was great and they didn't renew his contract.

The super Saturday crew are so unlikeable.
Corey Parker as well.
Cronk is the worst.

I like Matty John's and his crew though but that's a different show.

I agree Fox Sports team is very lacklasture atm , parker is annoying and has a bronocs bias every time is talks . Pfft Anasta cant believe he has the hosting gig for the pre/post game shows lately

I dont mind ginnuane ( please stop saying ' GOODBYE" when the player has only fallen over line to score) but that has alot more to do with what other options could be out there

Cronk just doesnt stop talking

I like James Graham though!!

spot on about cronk....he starts calling a play and 15 sets later he is still dissecting it...move on with life

 

[mike]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Potter’s problem was and is that he is an introvert. Great bloke but will never inspire.

Plenty of introverts are good coaches. Great coaches actually. Bennett/Gibson are two examples . Potter has been staff at parra while they lead the Comp in recent years and currently has Mounties playing well. He’s just another success story post- WT.

Potter admits it himself that it holds him back.

Fair enough, I did not know that. I still think he could be a success in the right NRL system.

You are probably right but not the Wests Tigers. You need to be super assertive to navigate the club,

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Mostly agree with this but just wished to add the coach is responsible for building the team's culture, and our performance culture should be our ( the club's) main concern or priority IMO.
Posed in another thread, why aren't internal questions being asked about the standards (in all departments) and the failure to live up to them. Seems almost everyone reduces or lowers theirs when being here at the club and they're totally not in accordance to our vision, goals or mission statement.

From my sources we are coming from a place not so long ago where pay was going in late, players were asked to contribute for basic expenses and the like. This was a while ago now but that stuff sticks. I’d be surprised if we aren’t still lagging behind in some of these important areas. Some of our signings still reek of desperation. Bring on Mr Sheens.

 

[cochise]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Mostly agree with this but just wished to add the coach is responsible for building the team's culture, and our performance culture should be our ( the club's) main concern or priority IMO.
Posed in another thread, why aren't internal questions being asked about the standards (in all departments) and the failure to live up to them. Seems almost everyone reduces or lowers theirs when being here at the club and they're totally not in accordance to our vision, goals or mission statement.

From my sources we are coming from a place not so long ago where pay was going in late, players were asked to contribute for basic expenses and the like. This was a while ago now but that stuff sticks. I’d be surprised if we aren’t still lagging behind in some of these important areas. Some of our signings still reek of desperation. Bring on Mr Sheens.

Your sources? Anasta?

 

[OzLuke]

Rothfield & hooper are sickening to watch ?

Hooper is worse than Slothfield imo .
He’s got nothing ..
At least Buzz talks crap ?

Paul Crawley ?

crawley is the worst!!!! most bias towards the putrid bunnies.....

I have a pitch....

get 5 random fans from different teams, and have the public vote for which one stays until the next week with points allocated on non-bias, football smarts, personality and banter.

Might be craptacular but people would get more value than the current list of oxygen thieves they have now

 

[BAGNF05]

i know Hooper frustrates all of us, but deep down he loves the Tigers and he has very fair point about Pascoe, this guy has to be accountable for his actions for the onfield failures!!
Yes i know he does not coach the team but gee he has some let some good players leave this club and he seems to be untouchable.
I would love Pascoe to stop talking how great the club is going off the field but lets be honest its on field that most supporters care most!!

I get so tired of hearing we let players go. Sure, some of them we did but to keep hearing we let Tedesco go is an utter lie. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he left. Never let the facts get in the way of a headline

Failed to retain is the same thing
we failed to retain turdesco
fact


we failed to retain Eisenhuth

he went elsewhere yes failed to retain
just like Brisbane failed to retain Fafita and Walker etc


so is that a positive failure for us?

Eisenhuth sucks.
Good riddance.


exactly.

Sick of the lists of former players of "what could've been for the Tigers", whether it's come back and haunt us or not.
The only player that really hurt to lose is Tedesco. Couldn't care about the rest tbh but losing him IMO really set the club back.

Paps Clive Churchill, JAC scoring six tries, Harry Grant dominating origin to a lesser extent. There’s been a few painful ones for me.

These articles always grind my gears as while they feature our retention failures and ongoing lack of success, they also in contrast, highlight the club's capacity to develop optimal talent despite our issues. Their clear intent to crap on the club also ignores the fact many mentioned (a majority actually) had more or less contributed to the losing or toxic culture that they're actually describing.
I can agree we've not done much forward moving but I honestly don't see how any of the players mentioned, except Tedesco, could've individually helped change the whole direction of the club. As most weren't really team first players or didn't have enough talent to do everything in order to make the club successful.

The only players in addition to Teddy that I thought we got wrong were C Thompson, JAC and Taupau, but even he wanted more than what he brought to the team. Not many of them had the right attitude required to change the fortunes of the team or bring us any closer to a premiership - I'd probably only say Fifita but isn't it wide known that he'd become problematic to the team's culture?. So yeah it was never wrong from the club to get rid of toxic players or anyone that never really improved our team's development (Eisenhuth or Momo etc) and its dumb to suggest otherwise. Someone(@Fletch I think) wrote a great analysis on our culture and I feel it correctly hits the nail on the head that our poor succession planning was most detrimental.

In the end it all falls back to not winning and it's why fans are at odds about our coaching, given our players aren't that unskilled.

I think the problems start outside the football department. Why do truly elite footy players go onto great success at other clubs when they couldn’t string together 3 wins at WT? They are being set up to fail here, it’s a culture issue.

You can’t blame coaches when you look at guys like Cleary/Madge. Mick Potter is an absolute gem of a person.

Mostly agree with this but just wished to add the coach is responsible for building the team's culture, and our performance culture should be our ( the club's) main concern or priority IMO.
Posed in another thread, why aren't internal questions being asked about the standards (in all departments) and the failure to live up to them. Seems almost everyone reduces or lowers theirs when being here at the club and they're totally not in accordance to our vision, goals or mission statement.

From my sources we are coming from a place not so long ago where pay was going in late, players were asked to contribute for basic expenses and the like. This was a while ago now but that stuff sticks. I’d be surprised if we aren’t still lagging behind in some of these important areas. Some of our signings still reek of desperation. Bring on Mr Sheens.

Your sources? Anasta?

No actually. Other guys who had a dig while they were here.