One ref

[GNR4LIFE]

While we’re at it, why not let the bunker rule on forward passes

 

[Geo]

While we’re at it, why not let the bunker rule on forward passes

Or scrap the Bunker all together..think how much money that would save the NRL..

RL was played for close on 100 years without a bunker..

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Please please please let fans back in to games. There will be so many experienced refs running the line - and I want to give it to everyone of them up close and personal ? Imagine having Ashley Klown running past you 30 or so times just a few yards away. Happy days!

Mate you're loud enough I'm sure he heard you when he was in the middle.

Imagine 30 yards closer! I’m salivating at the prospect. Might be a while though I reckon

Even I'm feeling sorry for Klein having you that close.







On Second thoughts, na he deserves it. lol

Ahh! Need to get back to games mate

I can't wait to get to a game, I'm that bored I'm pretty much living on here at the moment. I guess it has turned me into a pest. lol

I’m not travelling obviously but I’ve never been so busy. Had very little time to connect on here last couple of weeks.
Mate you’re not a pest on here - you actually make a lot of sense. I do chuckle at the spirited debates though ?

 

[cochise]

Please please please let fans back in to games. There will be so many experienced refs running the line - and I want to give it to everyone of them up close and personal ? Imagine having Ashley Klown running past you 30 or so times just a few yards away. Happy days!

Mate you're loud enough I'm sure he heard you when he was in the middle.

Imagine 30 yards closer! I’m salivating at the prospect. Might be a while though I reckon

Even I'm feeling sorry for Klein having you that close.







On Second thoughts, na he deserves it. lol

Ahh! Need to get back to games mate

I can't wait to get to a game, I'm that bored I'm pretty much living on here at the moment. I guess it has turned me into a pest. lol

I’m not travelling obviously but I’ve never been so busy. Had very little time to connect on here last couple of weeks.
Mate you’re not a pest on here - you actually make a lot of sense. I do chuckle at the spirited debates though ?

You have actually met me, so you know I am an opinionated, arrogant bastard that likes a good debate over footy. It doesn't come across as bad in person though as it does on here, people can't see the humor in my posts as I disagree with them like they would sitting in front of me. lol

I wish I could have been more busy during this time, the downtime has probably led to me setting up a new business though, which will make 3 that I have involvement with. So will probably be very busy coming out the otherside and wishing I didn't have so much on my plate.

I can't wait for the season to restart and am very interested in seeing how these changes will impact the game, 2 weeks to go!

 

[jirskyr]

"Giving the attacking team six more tackles for a ruck infringement will be a significant deterrent to slowing the ruck.
“No team is going to want to defend multiple sets of tackles without a stoppage in play. This is the greatest disincentive for what has become habitual ruck infringements.”

Funnily enough I initially considered it as offering a gradient of penalties, i.e. it makes sense to me that ruck infringements are lesser types of penalties, and the often 50/50 nature of them means you don't also lose the ground from the touch-finder. In other words, a team can't take 4 hitups to the 40m from kickoff, get a dodgy ruck penalty, kick for touch and be hammering down on your line in 2 more tackles.

PVL obviously sees more merit in other components - that we don't stop play for touch finders to be taken and that teams defending their own line don't get a breather. Also valid points I reckon, so there are at least 3 points of merit here.

Specifically in regards to 1 ref, I probably fall on the side of favouring the move on grounds of consistency. 1 ref all game and no over-ruling from pocket refs. But for those that don't like it, and I am seeing some comments about refs "no longer being able to police the ruck as effectively", I question truly whether the period of 2 refs has seen any improvement in (a) ruck speed, (b) accuracy of ruck decisions (c) overall flow of game (d) elimination of overall howlers. Has wrestling truly been mitigated by a second ref?

 

[Geo]

"Giving the attacking team six more tackles for a ruck infringement will be a significant deterrent to slowing the ruck.
“No team is going to want to defend multiple sets of tackles without a stoppage in play. This is the greatest disincentive for what has become habitual ruck infringements.”

Funnily enough I initially considered it as offering a gradient of penalties, i.e. it makes sense to me that ruck infringements are lesser types of penalties, and the often 50/50 nature of them means you don't also lose the ground from the touch-finder. In other words, a team can't take 4 hitups to the 40m from kickoff, get a dodgy ruck penalty, kick for touch and be hammering down on your line in 2 more tackles.

PVL obviously sees more merit in other components - that we don't stop play for touch finders to be taken and that teams defending their own line don't get a breather. Also valid points I reckon, so there are at least 3 points of merit here.

Specifically in regards to 1 ref, I probably fall on the side of favouring the move on grounds of consistency. 1 ref all game and no over-ruling from pocket refs. But for those that don't like it, and I am seeing some comments about refs "no longer being able to police the ruck as effectively", I question truly whether the period of 2 refs has seen any improvement in (a) ruck speed, (b) accuracy of ruck decisions (c) overall flow of game (d) elimination of overall howlers. Has wrestling truly been mitigated by a second ref?

In recent seasons to me ..2 refs haven't made a differences also ........i think the good defensive teams are getting smarter ..there has been a shift away from the wrestle on the ground ie Storm to allow defence to get set to more holding the attacker in the tackle not allowing him to the Ground in order to get the defence set so not so much the juditsu ....Rorters do it magnificently...it's what's won them two comps..they hold up the ruck so the player makes minimal ground but is still moving...get there defence set..they do not allow players to get to ground and a quick PTB and if they do..the ref generally calls surrender which then gives them even more time to lay around and get set..it's quite brilliant the bustards...



It really is up to the refs to then call held..whether that is one refs or 2 makes little difference

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Please please please let fans back in to games. There will be so many experienced refs running the line - and I want to give it to everyone of them up close and personal ? Imagine having Ashley Klown running past you 30 or so times just a few yards away. Happy days!

Mate you're loud enough I'm sure he heard you when he was in the middle.

Imagine 30 yards closer! I’m salivating at the prospect. Might be a while though I reckon

Even I'm feeling sorry for Klein having you that close.







On Second thoughts, na he deserves it. lol

Ahh! Need to get back to games mate

I can't wait to get to a game, I'm that bored I'm pretty much living on here at the moment. I guess it has turned me into a pest. lol

I’m not travelling obviously but I’ve never been so busy. Had very little time to connect on here last couple of weeks.
Mate you’re not a pest on here - you actually make a lot of sense. I do chuckle at the spirited debates though ?

You have actually met me, so you know I am an opinionated, arrogant bastard that likes a good debate over footy. It doesn't come across as bad in person though as it does on here, people can't see the humor in my posts as I disagree with them like they would sitting in front of me. lol

I wish I could have been more busy during this time, the downtime has probably led to me setting up a new business though, which will make 3 that I have involvement with. So will probably be very busy coming out the otherside and wishing I didn't have so much on my plate.

I can't wait for the season to restart and am very interested in seeing how these changes will impact the game, 2 weeks to go!

Yeah the intent is sometimes lost hey? I’ve often posted something for a laugh and it has been taken seriously. Sometimes I’m not being clear but sometimes ... well ???

 

[mike]

While we’re at it, why not let the bunker rule on forward passes

No no no no no no no. The game would pause for sixty seconds every set. Less bunker more on field refereeing.

 

[cochise]

"Giving the attacking team six more tackles for a ruck infringement will be a significant deterrent to slowing the ruck.
“No team is going to want to defend multiple sets of tackles without a stoppage in play. This is the greatest disincentive for what has become habitual ruck infringements.”

Funnily enough I initially considered it as offering a gradient of penalties, i.e. it makes sense to me that ruck infringements are lesser types of penalties, and the often 50/50 nature of them means you don't also lose the ground from the touch-finder. In other words, a team can't take 4 hitups to the 40m from kickoff, get a dodgy ruck penalty, kick for touch and be hammering down on your line in 2 more tackles.

PVL obviously sees more merit in other components - that we don't stop play for touch finders to be taken and that teams defending their own line don't get a breather. Also valid points I reckon, so there are at least 3 points of merit here.

Specifically in regards to 1 ref, I probably fall on the side of favouring the move on grounds of consistency. 1 ref all game and no over-ruling from pocket refs. But for those that don't like it, and I am seeing some comments about refs "no longer being able to police the ruck as effectively", I question truly whether the period of 2 refs has seen any improvement in (a) ruck speed, (b) accuracy of ruck decisions (c) overall flow of game (d) elimination of overall howlers. Has wrestling truly been mitigated by a second ref?

In recent seasons to me ..2 refs haven't made a differences also ........i think the good defensive teams are getting smarter ..there has been a shift away from the wrestle on the ground ie Storm to allow defence to get set to more holding the attacker in the tackle not allowing him to the Ground in order to get the defence set so not so much the juditsu ....Rorters do it magnificently...it's what's won them two comps..they hold up the ruck so the player makes minimal ground but is still moving...get there defence set..they do not allow players to get to ground and a quick PTB and if they do..the ref generally calls surrender which then gives them even more time to lay around and get set..it's quite brilliant the bustards...



It really is up to the refs to then call held..whether that is one refs or 2 makes little difference

Exactly, 2 defenders hold the player up, walk him about a metre post contact while the defensive line sets and third man comes in around the legs to collapse the tackle resulting in a slow play the ball.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

While we’re at it, why not let the bunker rule on forward passes

No no no no no no no. The game would pause for sixty seconds every set. Less bunker more on field refereeing.

I mean when they are checking for try’s.

 

[JC99]

Refs association have lodged a dispute with the fair work commission. They’re claiming going to one ref isn’t allowed as it breaks the terms of agreement that’s been signed. They’ve got a lot of good points, the full statement is here: https://prlmo.com.au/news/prlmo-lodge-dispute-with-fair-work-commission

 

[cochise]

Please please please let fans back in to games. There will be so many experienced refs running the line - and I want to give it to everyone of them up close and personal ? Imagine having Ashley Klown running past you 30 or so times just a few yards away. Happy days!

Mate you're loud enough I'm sure he heard you when he was in the middle.

Imagine 30 yards closer! I’m salivating at the prospect. Might be a while though I reckon

Even I'm feeling sorry for Klein having you that close.







On Second thoughts, na he deserves it. lol

Ahh! Need to get back to games mate

I can't wait to get to a game, I'm that bored I'm pretty much living on here at the moment. I guess it has turned me into a pest. lol

I’m not travelling obviously but I’ve never been so busy. Had very little time to connect on here last couple of weeks.
Mate you’re not a pest on here - you actually make a lot of sense. I do chuckle at the spirited debates though ?

You have actually met me, so you know I am an opinionated, arrogant bastard that likes a good debate over footy. It doesn't come across as bad in person though as it does on here, people can't see the humor in my posts as I disagree with them like they would sitting in front of me. lol

I wish I could have been more busy during this time, the downtime has probably led to me setting up a new business though, which will make 3 that I have involvement with. So will probably be very busy coming out the otherside and wishing I didn't have so much on my plate.

I can't wait for the season to restart and am very interested in seeing how these changes will impact the game, 2 weeks to go!

Yeah the intent is sometimes lost hey? I’ve often posted something for a laugh and it has been taken seriously. Sometimes I’m not being clear but sometimes ... well ???

The thing is we are debating football, it is not the end of the world. My use of hyperbole usually stirs some people up more than I really intend. For the most part I'm just looking for a good natured disagreement as that is how I interact with my family and friends. You have sat near me for games and discussed games with me, I love stirring the pot and that doesn't come across that well in this medium.

 

[mike]

While we’re at it, why not let the bunker rule on forward passes

No no no no no no no. The game would pause for sixty seconds every set. Less bunker more on field refereeing.

I mean when they are checking for try’s.

Camera angles won’t let you. The parallax errors means they will get it wrong more often than they get it right and they will quibble over every 0.001 of a degree. Leave it up to the on field refs and touchies (Ex refs now).

 

[TheDaBoss]

IF the NRL do the seperate 2nd grade games that was rumoured a while ago

they could trial the one ref thing there......

 

[cochise]

IF the NRL do the seperate 2nd grade games that was rumoured a while ago

they could trial the one ref thing there......

They don't want to trial it, it has been the norm in other grades anyway.

 

[tiger_one]

"Giving the attacking team six more tackles for a ruck infringement will be a significant deterrent to slowing the ruck.
“No team is going to want to defend multiple sets of tackles without a stoppage in play. This is the greatest disincentive for what has become habitual ruck infringements.”

Funnily enough I initially considered it as offering a gradient of penalties, i.e. it makes sense to me that ruck infringements are lesser types of penalties, and the often 50/50 nature of them means you don't also lose the ground from the touch-finder. In other words, a team can't take 4 hitups to the 40m from kickoff, get a dodgy ruck penalty, kick for touch and be hammering down on your line in 2 more tackles.

PVL obviously sees more merit in other components - that we don't stop play for touch finders to be taken and that teams defending their own line don't get a breather. Also valid points I reckon, so there are at least 3 points of merit here.

Specifically in regards to 1 ref, I probably fall on the side of favouring the move on grounds of consistency. 1 ref all game and no over-ruling from pocket refs. But for those that don't like it, and I am seeing some comments about refs "no longer being able to police the ruck as effectively", I question truly whether the period of 2 refs has seen any improvement in (a) ruck speed, (b) accuracy of ruck decisions (c) overall flow of game (d) elimination of overall howlers. Has wrestling truly been mitigated by a second ref?

Lots to like in this post.

 

[tiger_one]

"Giving the attacking team six more tackles for a ruck infringement will be a significant deterrent to slowing the ruck.
“No team is going to want to defend multiple sets of tackles without a stoppage in play. This is the greatest disincentive for what has become habitual ruck infringements.”

Funnily enough I initially considered it as offering a gradient of penalties, i.e. it makes sense to me that ruck infringements are lesser types of penalties, and the often 50/50 nature of them means you don't also lose the ground from the touch-finder. In other words, a team can't take 4 hitups to the 40m from kickoff, get a dodgy ruck penalty, kick for touch and be hammering down on your line in 2 more tackles.

PVL obviously sees more merit in other components - that we don't stop play for touch finders to be taken and that teams defending their own line don't get a breather. Also valid points I reckon, so there are at least 3 points of merit here.

Specifically in regards to 1 ref, I probably fall on the side of favouring the move on grounds of consistency. 1 ref all game and no over-ruling from pocket refs. But for those that don't like it, and I am seeing some comments about refs "no longer being able to police the ruck as effectively", I question truly whether the period of 2 refs has seen any improvement in (a) ruck speed, (b) accuracy of ruck decisions (c) overall flow of game (d) elimination of overall howlers. Has wrestling truly been mitigated by a second ref?

In recent seasons to me ..2 refs haven't made a differences also ........i think the good defensive teams are getting smarter ..there has been a shift away from the wrestle on the ground ie Storm to allow defence to get set to more holding the attacker in the tackle not allowing him to the Ground in order to get the defence set so not so much the juditsu ....Rorters do it magnificently...it's what's won them two comps..they hold up the ruck so the player makes minimal ground but is still moving...get there defence set..they do not allow players to get to ground and a quick PTB and if they do..the ref generally calls surrender which then gives them even more time to lay around and get set..it's quite brilliant the bustards...



It really is up to the refs to then call held..whether that is one refs or 2 makes little difference

Lots to agree with in this post.
I hope Wests Tigers become smarter.

 

[tiger_one]

While we’re at it, why not let the bunker rule on forward passes

No no no no no no no. The game would pause for sixty seconds every set. Less bunker more on field refereeing.

Well this might be a good time for the side line official to actually stand up and do their job!

 

[mike]

While we’re at it, why not let the bunker rule on forward passes

No no no no no no no. The game would pause for sixty seconds every set. Less bunker more on field refereeing.


Well this might be a good time for the side line official to actually stand up and do their job!

Absolutely yes.

 

[JC99]

"Giving the attacking team six more tackles for a ruck infringement will be a significant deterrent to slowing the ruck.
“No team is going to want to defend multiple sets of tackles without a stoppage in play. This is the greatest disincentive for what has become habitual ruck infringements.”

Funnily enough I initially considered it as offering a gradient of penalties, i.e. it makes sense to me that ruck infringements are lesser types of penalties, and the often 50/50 nature of them means you don't also lose the ground from the touch-finder. In other words, a team can't take 4 hitups to the 40m from kickoff, get a dodgy ruck penalty, kick for touch and be hammering down on your line in 2 more tackles.

PVL obviously sees more merit in other components - that we don't stop play for touch finders to be taken and that teams defending their own line don't get a breather. Also valid points I reckon, so there are at least 3 points of merit here.

Specifically in regards to 1 ref, I probably fall on the side of favouring the move on grounds of consistency. 1 ref all game and no over-ruling from pocket refs. But for those that don't like it, and I am seeing some comments about refs "no longer being able to police the ruck as effectively", I question truly whether the period of 2 refs has seen any improvement in (a) ruck speed, (b) accuracy of ruck decisions (c) overall flow of game (d) elimination of overall howlers. Has wrestling truly been mitigated by a second ref?

In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref