Packer & Reynolds

[Red88_Tiger]

Don’t think they need to be crucified over it. To put it in context if we were already in the 8 is it news. Imo half a game is better than sitting at home on the couch

 

[WT2K]

https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1302864160242331649?s=19
Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer unlikely to face any sanctions from club. Met with officials today and were apologetic and remorseful. Report will go to board but likely to end there.

 

[Tiger5150]

"They have families" is the most ridiculous excuse. Reynolds quite publicly has made it clear he doesnt have a partner or kids. Do we think he is going to his mums at 8pm saturday night? If you arent married, kids or partner how does "these guys have families" work in a CIVID bubble?

 

[Russell]

Packer and Reynolds should have to stand in front of the entire playing squad and coaching staff tomorrow morning and explain their reason for not showing any faith, respect, loyalty or leadership by abandoning the players by leaving at half time.

The players who bust their gut week in week out on a fraction of their pay packets like Harry Grant, Nofa, Josh Aloiai, McIntyre and Eisenhuth deserve an explanation.

I have taught my two sons from a young age that loyal fans always show their support and respect to the players by staying to the final siren irrespective of the result.

It is just the right thing to do.

Teach that to half the forum...""I really dont want to renew next year""...
""this club is a basket case and I dont want to have anything to do with them""


but crucify 2 players who werent required to play and left at halftime...

I'm not sure if you are serious..

these guys are employed to the tigers whereas we PAY.

ridiculous comparisons.

Yes they are employed by the Tigers....but Reynolds wasnt required to be there at all,but went and left at half time...not a ridiculous comparison at all when macca said you dont leave the game as a supporter no matter the result...you dont have to go to the game and stay all game if you dont want to its a fre world ...I choose to come and go as I please once again JR wasnt required to be there BUT went anyway...he can go at half time if he wants...

That's fine mate, I'm sure J Rey will appreciate your support but I don't appreciate his. Maybe he should offer to take half a pay cut to take one for the team. Well let's face it him and Russel are only half committed to the team as they have shown.

I couldnt care less if they go tommorrow,but Reynolds wasnt required to be there and went but left at halftime...you see the difference...

If he’s the highest paid player in the team he can go to the bloody game and stay til it ends. Leaving at half time is a slap in the face to all the fans, especially the ones who went to the game

Why is it a slap to the face for the fans...if he didnt turn up because he was at his mums house because he wasnt required at Brooky...whats the difference..they still can make choices if thier NOT required to be at a certain venue,,,,,he chose to go but left at half time....so what..

Don't think the Tigers are paying him 35k a game to stay at home with his Mum.

See Russ your letting your emotional opinion out again ...JR wasnt required at Brooky AT ALL...no arguement..

He is morally obligated to be at a game in Sydney, not legally - no.

I am sure the three of them understand that Madge is building a new culture at this club.
Obviously they thought they were helping Madge by going home at half time. Sure.

Pay them out and tell the three of them to get out!!!!.

That would make you happy TT - Once again Reynolds would not be required. This time, never again.

 

[The_Patriot]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Club should sell banners at this weeks game for us all to hold up: “We won’t leave at halftime boys - Go Tigers!”

 

[Snake]

For hard and fast rules you actually need someone to make a decision.. not many of those have been positive ones over the last couple of decades so do not expect any in the near future !

 

[Blacknwhite]

Storm in a tea-cup.....

We are an easy mark for the vermin in the media, we lap up the drama as fans, 26 pages!

This is only an issue if our system says it is... If their fellow team-mates were offended, if the coaching staff or management says it is an issue. We arent the judge nor jury on this one. As an entity, top to bottom, Wests Tigers dont have a hard stance, though maybe this a draw a line in the sand moment. At the very least conversations have been had that it seems have never been had before. Its an opportunity for growth moment.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Did none of you mongs learn from the 'Joey walkout to Canberra' that wasn't a walkout.

This is media sensationalism and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Maybe wait till the club has it's proper say on the matter rather than taking the word of these scummy donut head journos...

If they did in fact leave early then so be it. Everyone knows these 2 aren't in the clubs long term plans, and both have been actively shopped around all year. They're surplus to requirements.

My only disappointment is that they didn't do anything worthy of contract termination. Maybe they should of stopped by the strippos on the way back then gotten into a fight in front of a kebab shop. Only for it all to be caught on camera... can only dream of such a scenario

I don't agree with this sentiment. Sure we'd like to get rid of them. Sure the media have caused an issue.

At the same time these guys should have stayed. They are highly paid and should be doing everything they can to get into the top team.

What you and I think these guys should do is irrelevant. In the end it's just a job. Some take it more seriously than others.

Signing these 2 on long term deals has, you could say, allowed the situation to occur. Having highly paid non performing squad members is the worst possible scenario for roster management.

They know the club doesn't want them and they can't get a better deal elsewhere. They'll do the bare minimum and milk the cow for all it's worth. Can't blame them. Any person would do the same and take advantage of the situation for their benefit.

I mean, they're highly paid to run around all week and keep fit. Dream job. And I doubt the other players look to them for leadership and motivation. So, they'll just take it as seriously as they have to until their contracts are up.

There’s expectations around this . To be apathetic and checked out , is natural and honestly expected
. But to leave at halftime , would be akin to one of us leaving early during a company meeting. Is it wrong ? No , not really ! If the State/ national manger finds out, then you are in a world of hurt . If not overtly then definitely in more subtle ways .
Why ? Because there are expectations that arnt laid out in any Manual or behaviour policy .
There are things like deny leave , not give good jobs to you, give you Friday afternoon crap jobs , and just generally make your life just a little bit harder than anybody else’s. It’s career suicide .

That’s what this is ! Career suicide

Big difference is that average Joe's aren't on 4 year deals at their place of work. They're employees with certain expectations regarding performance. If they check out and consistently under perform then that's grounds for termination. At least there's a sense of motivation tto do what's asked of you.

Packer & Reynolds could ride the pine for 4 years and still get paid in full. Club couldn't terminate their contracts unless performance clauses were explicitly written into them. But then again, what player would agree to those terms.

They're both at the end anyway. Probs focusing on life after football and setting themselves up for it.

I’ve got to say , that’s not true . It’s almost impossible to fire someone in today’s climate due to tight HR and industrial relations laws . You could be underperforming for your whole career and not lose your job, if your employer can’t prove that’s grounds for dismissal. If you are only 31 and need some magic bullet to turn up and do the bare minimum than you have some serious issues .
I don’t understand sticking up this poor behaviour and validating it . It’s bad form . If you disagree that’s your choice ... I prey you don’t find yourself ina culture with these types around . It is nothing but toxic

 

[the_third]

27 pages wasted on these 2. Time to focus on someone else

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2020-adam-doueihi-laughs-last-in-hilarious-exchange-with-footy-fan/news-story/76731a26d759777361253b2e449fd981

 

[GNR4LIFE]

27 pages wasted on these 2. Time to focus on someone else

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2020-adam-doueihi-laughs-last-in-hilarious-exchange-with-footy-fan/news-story/76731a26d759777361253b2e449fd981

That guy was funny. Like the guy who yelled to Cronk, imagine the ball was Cam Smith’s head.

 

[hobbo1]

27 pages wasted on these 2. Time to focus on someone else

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2020-adam-doueihi-laughs-last-in-hilarious-exchange-with-footy-fan/news-story/76731a26d759777361253b2e449fd981

That was brilliant and well handled by Doohey

 

[Tigercrb]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

 

[rustycage]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.

So you couldn't care less.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Anybody defending it has zero idea of what good culture is . And it’s that simple. If you don’t get it , then that’s fine , but it’s the difference between what happens at great organisations and also rans . Not because you HAVE to stay until full time , but because you WANT to stay until full time . Almost cultish. A sort of hive mind.

 

[TrueTiger]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

 

[Tcat]

27 pages wasted on these 2. Time to focus on someone else

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2020-adam-doueihi-laughs-last-in-hilarious-exchange-with-footy-fan/news-story/76731a26d759777361253b2e449fd981

Haha, love it. Not even one swear word from the heckler.

 

[Tigercrb]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?