Packer & Reynolds

@innsaneink said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225759) said:
@Lauren said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225747) said:
@Telltails said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225733) said:
@Lauren said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225725) said:
I also don't see how leaving the game at half time creates drama for or impacts the productivity of the team, so have no idea how it's considered toxic. Harbouring ill will toward players due to it and being vindictive to other posters though...

I love when this place is a medium for fans to converse or reflect on any significant club/team/fan issues but lately it's become a bit of receptacle for some unforgiving, over-sensitive and overbearing behaviour.
Because a media outlet is spreading the news of certain players people see red and wish to further ignite their own distaste, and that of others, of these players... on a place that already isn't feeling too optimistic about our year.
Some people are as transparent as Buzz and co. and are misplacing their outrage. It's well known that many don't want them at the club but to make an attempt to relate their behaviour to our club organisation, team culture, their commitment, professionalism and loyalty and whatever else is absurd. It's the biggest overreaction I've seen on the WTF and more a reflection of your own attitudes.
Sports journalists will always target the most reactive fans and you keep falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I care more about the current and future state of the team and love to discuss...and even debate  it. So please why torture yourselves by making a non-issue relevant. It doesn't even affect(hurt) us, the team or the club in the grand scheme of things.

BTW who even cares let alone knows, who the 19th and 20th men are for the Roosters or Storm on game day.

Cant agree Lauren. After the leak from the team meeting this week those two marquee players should have been there to support their team and demonstrate unity behind the club and coach. To walk out in view at half time- intentionally or not - it gave a platform for journos to back the speculation about division in the club and suggest that Maguire was fighting a losing battle in instilling a different culture.
When we are trying to attract players to the club these stories only had fuel to the perception that we havnt learned from past mistakes. It was poor form by Packer and Reynolds who are probably the only marquee players in any club who can't make the run on side.

I understand the importance of unity for the team's culture however what they did had no bearing on team harmony whatsoever - players said they were unfazed by it.
That's all that should matter.
Plus Madge is the only person with a right to question their conduct(in relation to building the team's culture) as we can only realistically gauge their team cohesion from their onfield performances as a playing group.

The media reports are what's ruffling feathers and unfortunately it's out of the club's control. We (the club) just happen to be easy targets.

Sorry.
You don't know what you're talking about either.
Easy to see why the club issues spin... Many swallow it

I've outlined every single point I've made with solid facts and I also believe Pascoe, Madge and Lee have also come out to their defence so don't quite understand the motive from your response sorry.

The present underhanded dealings from journalists are more problematic to team harmony/unity than the two players actions.
They're clearly applying the whole divide and conquer methodology to keep fans outraged - and this is what causes disruptions, distractions and fractures to teams and clubs.
These recent articles are also being indirectly aimed at Madge's credentials and ability as a coach and this is the only thing I care to have an opinion on tbh.
 
@Papacito said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225384) said:
For all the bagging these blokes have copped, it seems like they played by the club's rules and have done nothing wrong.

If anything, the finger of blame should be pointed at management for having (as Madge put it) "no hard and fast rules" about whether you're meant to be at the game or not.

For mine, you're either at the game supporting the team or at home on the couch, having a good hard think about how you're going to win your jersey back.

There isn't a hard and fast rule, but the expectation is that you be part of the team, that is certainly implied in the fact it is called a team and a club.

Why is it these days everyone is looking for someone else to blame..... "blame the management".... instead of taking personal ownership about making a poor decision.

I bet there isn't any written rule specifically stating they cant defacate on the field during training either. Does everyone need a written rule for every possible eventuality, or is it morally implied that you're a team, so act like one.

Brandon Smith at the Storm has a broken jaw and can't play, SO HE DOES BALLBOY DUTIES EACH WEEK! I bet thats not a 'rule'!
 
@Lauren said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225747) said:
@Telltails said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225733) said:
@Lauren said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225725) said:
I also don't see how leaving the game at half time creates drama for or impacts the productivity of the team, so have no idea how it's considered toxic. Harbouring ill will toward players due to it and being vindictive to other posters though...

I love when this place is a medium for fans to converse or reflect on any significant club/team/fan issues but lately it's become a bit of receptacle for some unforgiving, over-sensitive and overbearing behaviour.
Because a media outlet is spreading the news of certain players people see red and wish to further ignite their own distaste, and that of others, of these players... on a place that already isn't feeling too optimistic about our year.
Some people are as transparent as Buzz and co. and are misplacing their outrage. It's well known that many don't want them at the club but to make an attempt to relate their behaviour to our club organisation, team culture, their commitment, professionalism and loyalty and whatever else is absurd. It's the biggest overreaction I've seen on the WTF and more a reflection of your own attitudes.
Sports journalists will always target the most reactive fans and you keep falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I care more about the current and future state of the team and love to discuss...and even debate  it. So please why torture yourselves by making a non-issue relevant. It doesn't even affect(hurt) us, the team or the club in the grand scheme of things.

BTW who even cares let alone knows, who the 19th and 20th men are for the Roosters or Storm on game day.

Cant agree Lauren. After the leak from the team meeting this week those two marquee players should have been there to support their team and demonstrate unity behind the club and coach. To walk out in view at half time- intentionally or not - it gave a platform for journos to back the speculation about division in the club and suggest that Maguire was fighting a losing battle in instilling a different culture.
When we are trying to attract players to the club these stories only had fuel to the perception that we havnt learned from past mistakes. It was poor form by Packer and Reynolds who are probably the only marquee players in any club who can't make the run on side.

I understand the importance of unity for the team's culture however what they did had no bearing on team harmony whatsoever - players said they were unfazed by it.
That's all that should matter.
Plus Madge is the only person with a right to question their conduct(in relation to building the team's culture) as we can only realistically gauge their team cohesion from their onfield performances as a playing group.

The media reports are what's ruffling feathers and unfortunately it's out of the club's control. ***We (the club) just happen to be easy targets.***

You don't 'just happen' to be easy targets.
 
@Lauren said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225747) said:
@Telltails said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225733) said:
@Lauren said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225725) said:
I also don't see how leaving the game at half time creates drama for or impacts the productivity of the team, so have no idea how it's considered toxic. Harbouring ill will toward players due to it and being vindictive to other posters though...

I love when this place is a medium for fans to converse or reflect on any significant club/team/fan issues but lately it's become a bit of receptacle for some unforgiving, over-sensitive and overbearing behaviour.
Because a media outlet is spreading the news of certain players people see red and wish to further ignite their own distaste, and that of others, of these players... on a place that already isn't feeling too optimistic about our year.
Some people are as transparent as Buzz and co. and are misplacing their outrage. It's well known that many don't want them at the club but to make an attempt to relate their behaviour to our club organisation, team culture, their commitment, professionalism and loyalty and whatever else is absurd. It's the biggest overreaction I've seen on the WTF and more a reflection of your own attitudes.
Sports journalists will always target the most reactive fans and you keep falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I care more about the current and future state of the team and love to discuss...and even debate  it. So please why torture yourselves by making a non-issue relevant. It doesn't even affect(hurt) us, the team or the club in the grand scheme of things.

BTW who even cares let alone knows, who the 19th and 20th men are for the Roosters or Storm on game day.

Cant agree Lauren. After the leak from the team meeting this week those two marquee players should have been there to support their team and demonstrate unity behind the club and coach. To walk out in view at half time- intentionally or not - it gave a platform for journos to back the speculation about division in the club and suggest that Maguire was fighting a losing battle in instilling a different culture.
When we are trying to attract players to the club these stories only had fuel to the perception that we havnt learned from past mistakes. It was poor form by Packer and Reynolds who are probably the only marquee players in any club who can't make the run on side.

I understand the importance of unity for the team's culture however what they did had no bearing on team harmony whatsoever - players said they were unfazed by it.
That's all that should matter.
Plus Madge is the only person with a right to question their conduct(in relation to building the team's culture) as we can only realistically gauge their team cohesion from their onfield performances as a playing group.

The media reports are what's ruffling feathers and unfortunately it's out of the club's control. We (the club) just happen to be easy targets.

The media havnt created the outrage Lauren in this case they just identified it. Fans are filthy by the actions of our two highest paid players who not only continue to disappoint on the field but now off the field too.
Perception is everything from the outside looking in, and if you think that behaviour is the sort that professional sporting organisations aspire to then you havnt been taking notice of the reactions by the whole NRL community.
it demonstrated the attitude that most of us already expect - they have checked out, and dont give a rats about anything except collecting their pay check - and if that's not true good luck to the two of them convincing most other wise.
 
We're fortunate the media has chosen not to link this to the millions of our fellow Australians who have lost their jobs due to the Pandemic. Let's face it, $1.6m would provide funds for 20 jobs? This reeks of entitlement and if Josh Reynolds had to compete in the job market, finding a role paying his current salary may be challenging.
 
@innsaneink said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225760) said:
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@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225643) said:
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@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225601) said:
@Tigercrb said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225600) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225593) said:
@Tigercrb said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225587) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225567) said:
@Tigercrb said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225505) said:
Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

?
You making out there was no condemnation or criticism of all those other points you mentioned... pffft
There was plenty

They didn't support their mates... Don't know why you can't see that and why it is part of the big picture

Ok,Ink,they didnt support their mates and it is morally wrong in that respect...I was saying they did nothing wrong by the club when people were saying to "tear up their contracts",never to play in our colours again"should be shown the door tommorrow"...these were all emotional opinions....if you look at my post where I said I wouldnt give JR a pat on the back for what he done by leaving the game,he didnt do anything wrong contractually or by the NRL..
 
The whole thing is really simple. What they did according to the club didn't break any rules. What it did do was give the very media that we all get annoyed at something to hammer this club over once again. The actions of those players has once again allowed the media to write the usual dribble and create a perception of a poor culture. A hell of a lot of people don't bother reading articles or chasing facts and only see headlines. There is one perception of our club at the moment that screams at most Rugby League people and that is BASKET CASE. Regardless of what the players say, Madge says or Pascoe and Lee say, players departing at halftime is a terrible, terrible look and that single action that has been dramatised by media and took only minutes to do, yet creates reputational damage that can take months if not years to repair.
 
@cochise said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225734) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225724) said:
@cochise said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225723) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225716) said:
@Strongee said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225705) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225697) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225683) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225670) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225656) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225654) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225646) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225643) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225635) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225601) said:
@Tigercrb said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225600) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225593) said:
@Tigercrb said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225587) said:
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225567) said:
@Tigercrb said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225505) said:
Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

But that’s the thing mate . If the culture is strong , then the club doesn’t have to enforce those types of rules . It just happens . At weaker clubs we have 31 page debates about what is or isn’t indications of crap culture lol

I agree with you we need culture change badly...lets look at the storm say,great roster,great coach,players want to be there a true winning culture...Us on the other hand,Players whiteanting coaches,players tanking and still remaining with the club for weeks,players betting on game outcomes,huge contractual agreements signed off by CEOs,players being offered ambassador roles and costing us heaps in fines...

And yet some want to crucify a player who wasnt required at a game but attended and left at halftime when he wasnt part of the 21 ...dont you see why I have been so agressive in my opinions.?

That is the issue mate, the fact we let players get away with all these little things like walking out on their team mates slowly eats away at the culture of the club and it eventual results in you developing the wrong type of people who do those things you mention.

cochise I dont for one minute slap JR on the back for what he did ,however in saying that he didnt do the wrong thing by the club as it stands...I have been agressively sticking up for the fact he wasnt required at Brooky at all that day but did turn up for the first half and left...we do need culture change badly and JR and Packer do see the fault in what they did...my main point is we have been such a rabble of a club and have had far worse things happen to us internally with such as I have mentioned .and yet everybody wants to condemn me for making light of what JR did on sat...it is bugger all and will be dealt with by the powers that be,,,we have far more problems than a bloke who cant be picked in the top 21 for a game leaving the game at halftime...do you see what my point has been...

Understand that mate, to me it is these little things that show that culture we are looking for is lacking, these are issues throughout the club and they lead to those larger problems we have.

And those are the issues that aren't bring addressed as far as I can see. That's where good management is needed.
 
A bit rich back door Benny coming out and saying those things about Packer & Reynolds when his nephew was arguably the biggest turncoat
 
This thread has certainly bought out the emotions of us the fans of the great WTs...we have been arguing the rights and wrongs of 3 players actions,and their morals in relation to supporting their teammates..
I have copped criticism for voicing my opinion on whether these actions were right or wrong..
Let me just clarify, I dont really care if Packer,JR,or MCK are with us next season or not,their value to the club as players is a different argument..
Iam quite entitled to voice my opinion as are others,it is a forum of friends,I didnt abuse or disparage anyone for their opinion..
The whole crux of this matter was whether these guys did the wrong thing,morally they did by not supporting the team they play with, on the other hand they did nothing wrong by the club by leaving,however I did say in one of my posts...
1.Packer did warm up with the team and had an obligation to stay because he was in the warmup wearing WTs colours,he was representing the club that night..
2.MCK if he was in the 21 man squad which is published in the media,he was also obligated to stay for the game.
3. Reynolds was not required at Brooky at all and wasnt in the 21 man squad,he was not obligated to be there at all,but went at halftime,he was there on his own volition...
I stuck to my argument,not to cause angst or stir the pot,I seen it as it was...
Yes many were right to speak out emotionally because of the way they conducted themselves in this regard,we are all human and our opinions all vary greatly and we all feel differently toward things in many ways...
My main point has always been that they didnt do anything wrong by the Club as has been stated, but it does now even more emphasise that the culture of this club must change drastically for us to be a competative,supporting and viable club in the future...
I will also state that every business has rules and regulations in place as well as guidelines forgreater performance,this starts at the top,our managment needs to become much more professional in running the entire organisation,this will begin the stop of media bashing of the club so as incidents such as what has transpired dont happen again...
Finally if I offended anyone during this overly heated debate,I do apologise...I will maintain that I have aright to my opinion as anyone else as long as it is within the bounds of forum rules..
I have had the pleasure of meeting many friends from this forum on different occasions,those people that know me can accept me for who Iam,others that dont are more than welcome to pm me and we can organise a beer together,its not hard to be civil to each other,we dont need to dislike one another over some highly paid NRL players that probably wouldnt care if we we there or not ....
 
Reynolds was named in the initial 21 man squad supplied to the NRL..
 
@Furious1 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225791) said:
The whole thing is really simple. What they did according to the club didn't break any rules. What it did do was give the very media that we all get annoyed at something to hammer this club over once again. The actions of those players has once again allowed the media to write the usual dribble and create a perception of a poor culture. A hell of a lot of people don't bother reading articles or chasing facts and only see headlines. There is one perception of our club at the moment that screams at most Rugby League people and that is BASKET CASE. Regardless of what the players say, Madge says or Pascoe and Lee say, players departing at halftime is a terrible, terrible look and that single action that has been dramatised by media and took only minutes to do, yet creates reputational damage that can take months if not years to repair.

already repaired with me, it didn't bother me that much and I am sure they have already made amends - the "too cold" excuse can be made up too so I wouldn't buy what the media says... I am sure the players themselves can sort it out amongst each other and to see the resolve in yesterday's news (Ch9) is good enough for me and well done

I agree with what most is saying here and I agree where TrueTiger is coming from as well
 
So the usual "Tigers" greats have weighed in with their unwanted opinions.


NRL 2020: Tigers legends call for Josh Reynolds, Russell Packer to be stood down
Dean Ritchie, Fatima Kdouh, The Daily Telegraph
September 7, 2020 5:56pm
Subscriber only

Tigers legend Benny Elias has dramatically called for AWOL Wests Tigers players to be kicked out of the club.

“Unless there was a death in the family, there is no excuse,” said Elias, who played 234 games for Balmain between 1982 and 1994.

The Daily Telegraph revealed Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer abandoned teammates at halftime last Saturday by walking out and missing Wests Tigers’ remarkable late win over Manly at Lottoland.

Injured utility Michael Chee Kam also left Brookvale.

Club management and the players met on Monday afternoon to discuss the embarrassing behaviour which has prompted criticism from Tigers greats Elias, Steve Roach and Garry Jack.

There were no sanctions against the players, who on Monday elected against commenting publicly.

“There’s no Golden Books story with a happy ending,” Elias said. “Unless there was a death in the family, there is no excuse. Other than that, it’s inexcusable.

“It’s the wrong thing, it’s not part of the mateship act and it’s not the honourable thing to do. There’s not one positive in what they have done.

“I’m being brutal here but I’d tell them to pack their packs and tell them they’re not part of our team. See you later.

“If they want to pack their bags at halftime and walk out then I say keep walking. That’s my message – keep walking.

“If you don’t want to stick around during the tough times then we don’t want you here during the good times. I can’t be more brutal than that.

“This is a club and we all stick together. It’s just disappointing. For the life of me I can’t see a positive out of it. I try and look for positives in everything, as you know, but there’s just no excuse.”

Given they weren’t playing, Reynolds and Packer did not breach any rules by leaving. Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire admitted the “perception” was poor.

“We were struggling big time at halftime (behind 20-12) and that’s when you need your senior people around you – even if they just see you in the dressing room – it’s a comfort blanket,” Elias said.

“’Madge’ (Maguire) would be very disappointed. The only positive was that when they weren’t there, the team turned things around and won.

“Even the young kids stick around and watch the main game after they have finished and they’re not even part of the team. You stick together. Arthritis? (Packer’s excuse) Please.

“People who have snapped hamstrings and broken arms still stick around until the end because you’re part of a team. They are our own and you stick side-by-side through good and bad.”

An angry Jack said: “It’s not the attitude you want. The highly paid big names should set the example. They were cold … please. It’s a gee-up surely. It’s bullshit.

“We’ve got three weeks to go and you want all hands on deck. I’d stand them down for the year. We’re a team. We work together. It’s a terrible image. In our day all three grades never left until full-time in the main game.”

It is understood some other injured Wests Tigers players didn’t attend the game.

Wests Tigers halfback Luke Brooks has weighed into the controversy surrounding Russell Packer and Josh Reynolds after it was revealed the pair left Saturday night’s match during half time.

Brooks revealed he only found out the club’s highest paid players didn’t stick around to see the Tigers 34-32 gallant come-from-behind win against Manly after it was reported in News Corp.

But the 25-year-old said neither player had anything to apologise for and if the Tigers weren’t fighting to have their season the walkout would not have made the news.

“Not at all. They weren’t required to be there so they don’t have to be there. It doesn’t affect us playing, you don’t even notice that they left. To me personally, I don’t really care,” Brooks said.

“They have our full support so it’s a story that has been blown out of proportion. Because of where we are on the ladder, little stories become bigger stories and that’s frustrating.”

Veteran forward Elijah Taylor said the actions of Reynolds and Packer did not reflect poorly on the Concord club’s culture.

“We didn’t find out about it until this morning. They’ve both got families - our culture is strong here, we showed that on the weekend in how we performed,” Taylor said.

“We’ve got a culture here that works hard for each other and turns up for each other.”

Balmain legend Gary Jack has called for the duo to be stood down but Taylor doesn’t believe the players, who trained on Monday morning, broke any rules that warranted punishment.


“I don’t know what’s going to happen (to them),” Taylor said.

“We just had training. They were training hard … it was a pretty tough session.

“Not at all (do they need to apologise). They’ve both got families – it’s a game of footy. We watch footy every day, we live and breathe footy.

“Some of the squad sometimes don’t come to the game because it’s on the other side of the city.”
 
@diedpretty said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225801) said:
“It’s the wrong thing, it’s not part of the mateship act and it’s not the honourable thing to do. There’s not one positive in what they have done.

Benny quoting the mateship act? Balmain Leagues Club says hello and wants your mateship act... and talking about being honourable? ppfffttt lol

can someone please tell him to shut up... if I see him on the streets I would yell at him to shut up
 
@Geo said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225799) said:
Reynolds was named in the initial 21 man squad supplied to the NRL..

Ok I apologise GEO I was under the impression he wasnt,so he did have an obligation to stay...it made the perception that he wasnt required at Brooky a double edge sword...he was wrong in that respect but right by not being required...
 
I read the article and will only say one thing....Benny has no right to try and humiliate these guys after all he has done wrong over the years...yes a great footballer but not an impressive individual..

His nephew tanked while wearing our colours to get out of a contractual agreement,yet Benny justified his actions...
 
@Geo said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225799) said:
Reynolds was named in the initial 21 man squad supplied to the NRL..

Oh God!
There's another bucket of premium 98 on the bonfire
 
@Geo said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225799) said:
Reynolds was named in the initial 21 man squad supplied to the NRL..

was he named on Saturday morning and required to turn up at Brooky??
 
@TrueTiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225811) said:
@Geo said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225799) said:
Reynolds was named in the initial 21 man squad supplied to the NRL..

was he named on Saturday morning and required to turn up at Brooky??

I think that's now the 30th time now you've said he wasn't required at Brooky in this thread. We get it.
 

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