Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[Yossarian]

For those saying Farah is an innocent bystander - if there is a signed contract then Robbie signed it, no doubt with the knowledge and blessing of his manager Sam Ayoub. Sam being a registered players agent and knowing full well how the NRL are gunning for rogue agents would have known that this contract was a bit dodgy but still allowed his client to sign it. Why arent the NRL going after Ayoub when he would have knowingly allowed his client to sign a dodgy contract. And is Robbie using the " i just leave everything to my manger plea." Just as bad as Inglis with his not knowing he had a boat in his garage. So my rant is mainly why isn't Ayoub being de registered and Robbie being given the punt.

It's hardly a player's responsibility to register his own contract.

Oh please - after the Melbourne rubbish of shoddy contracts and the recent NRL crackdown on player managers. **You obviously don't like Pascoe and your posts show that** however if he has done the wrong thing fine i have no problem with the punishment. My concern is that Ayoub and Farah are in this up to their eyeballs in this if they did in fact sign a contract that was quite obviously an inducement and no one is saying a word.

Ive noticed that myself. Love Yoss's work but whoever feeds him his info is not someone on Pascoe's side of the issues.

It's not a matter of me or anyone else liking or disliking Pascoe. I think most if not all observers would say he's done a great job for us. But it's hard to make an independent assessment of what happened where Pascoe doesn't come across as being mostly if not wholly responsible for this mess.

 

[diedpretty]

A couple of things. Firstly I'd reckon Gus has more important things on his mind than plotting revenge.

Secondly this has been a known thing for a long time. It's become public this week because the NRL released its investigation result. But that alone points to it being a known event for a decent chunk of time.

That makes sense and could also explain why we have been a bit slow in the player market when we supposedly had some money in the cap.

Yep. 100% right.

You may know this or not or maybe can't answer it - but was Maguire given a heads up during the negotiations.

 

[cochise]

I don't hate Pascoe so I'm going to ask you to withdraw that. It's an unfair misrepresentation of my position. I make no personal reflection on him or anyone involved. I'm just passing on what I'm told. For what it's worth I think Pascoe has done a great job.

Anyway back to the issue. It's the club's responsibility to register contracts. Not players. I just don't see it being Farah's job to check with the NRL to see if his contract has been registered or any agreement he's entered into has been lodged.

Ok i'll withdraw it - your last paragraph is the Inglis defence. And no its not Farahs job to chase his contract - its his managers - and i guess you're suggesting poor old Sam was just an innocent bystander in Robbie signing a contract that was an inducement.

How was he to know the contract would not be sent to the NRL and would actually be hidden offsite? I'm sure the contract didn't say that.

I can't believe all the posters who seem to think that Sam Ayoub is a dunce who has trouble even spelling his name. Its the guys job to make sure that all the Ts are crossed and I's dotted when it involves the contract of one of his clients. You would have to be extremely naive to think that Ayoub did not know the NRL hadn't seen the contract.

From what I've heard the club itself didn't know.

 

[Yossarian]

A couple of things. Firstly I'd reckon Gus has more important things on his mind than plotting revenge.

Secondly this has been a known thing for a long time. It's become public this week because the NRL released its investigation result. But that alone points to it being a known event for a decent chunk of time.

That makes sense and could also explain why we have been a bit slow in the player market when we supposedly had some money in the cap.

Yep. 100% right.

You may know this or not or maybe can't answer it - but was Maguire given a heads up during the negotiations.

Don’t know for sure but I’d be surprised if he didn’t know..

 

[The_Patriot]

It's hardly a player's responsibility to register his own contract.

Oh please - after the Melbourne rubbish of shoddy contracts and the recent NRL crackdown on player managers. **You obviously don't like Pascoe and your posts show that** however if he has done the wrong thing fine i have no problem with the punishment. My concern is that Ayoub and Farah are in this up to their eyeballs in this if they did in fact sign a contract that was quite obviously an inducement and no one is saying a word.

Ive noticed that myself. Love Yoss's work but whoever feeds him his info is not someone on Pascoe's side of the issues.

It's not a matter of me or anyone else liking or disliking Pascoe. I think most if not all observers would say he's done a great job for us. But it's hard to make an independent assessment of what happened where Pascoe doesn't come across as being mostly if not wholly responsible for this mess.

Well you wouldnt blame the water boy or the office cleaner. Obviously the CEO cops the blame.

Your dislike for the guy is pretty obvious. Love your work but i wouldnt be trying to fool anyone into thinking you are on Pascoe's side.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Pascoe should have just covered up one of his star players bashing his missus … instead of being de-registered he would have been promoted to NRL CEO.

Woops!

Yep. Not to forget "honest Todd" had a sizeable role to play in the Ryan Tandy betting scandal which resulted in the eventual unfortunate suicide of Tandy. Reading Tandy's book showed Greenberg approved advance payments on Tandy's wages in the knowledge that it was being used by Tandy to pay massive betting debts. Quite a bloke Toddy G is…...

Greenberg is a crotch-sniffing gerbil who hopefully one day is outed as a fraudster and is thrown in the big house. He would make a helluva wife for some old lag in there.
Wouldnt surprise if he was found to be getting paper bag payments from certain parties involved in the NRL. Absolute maggot of a thing.

 

[Yossarian]

Oh please - after the Melbourne rubbish of shoddy contracts and the recent NRL crackdown on player managers. **You obviously don't like Pascoe and your posts show that** however if he has done the wrong thing fine i have no problem with the punishment. My concern is that Ayoub and Farah are in this up to their eyeballs in this if they did in fact sign a contract that was quite obviously an inducement and no one is saying a word.

Ive noticed that myself. Love Yoss's work but whoever feeds him his info is not someone on Pascoe's side of the issues.

It's not a matter of me or anyone else liking or disliking Pascoe. I think most if not all observers would say he's done a great job for us. But it's hard to make an independent assessment of what happened where Pascoe doesn't come across as being mostly if not wholly responsible for this mess.

Well you wouldnt blame the water boy or the office cleaner. Obviously the CEO cops the blame.

Your dislike for the guy is pretty obvious. Love your work but i wouldnt be trying to fool anyone into thinking you are on Pascoe's side.

I don't know how many times I can say this. I don't dislike Pascoe at all. Outside of this I couldn't fault him. I take personal offence at the statement that I don't like him. I've said repeatedly I think he's been great for us. But on this he dropped the ball.

On the last point I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm on his side. I'm on nobody's side. Like everyone else I make a judgement based on the facts as I understand them.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Isn’t the crux of the issue related to us asking for 30% of the payout being removed from the cap due to damage to sponsors/brand which the NRL agreed, but we then advised of an intent at a later stage to keep Farah at the club post playing career?

If the above is true we have a case to answer and stuffed up regardless if Farah actually signed something or not as our intent would be proven we weren’t ethical and attempted to use a loophole in a dumb way.

As to Pascoe - cmon teams have stuffed up in a huge way that gained premierships which didn’t cost them major heads to drop.

Pascoe is one of the best things to have happened to the Wests Tigers, lets hope our sponsor heads up a legal support to fight this one.

That has been covered by Wests in their statement. The role was offered to Robbie by Pascoe as he believed Farah had been screwed over by Taylor and the board. There was no intent of gain by Wests or Pascoe - in a way it was offering the olive branch for all the rubbish that happened.

You’re missing the point that we actually gained a financial salary cap advantage when he left us. If that occured we stuffed up.

 

[TYGA]

Isn’t the crux of the issue related to us asking for 30% of the payout being removed from the cap due to damage to sponsors/brand which the NRL agreed, but we then advised of an intent at a later stage to keep Farah at the club post playing career?

If the above is true we have a case to answer and stuffed up regardless if Farah actually signed something or not as our intent would be proven we weren’t ethical and attempted to use a loophole in a dumb way.

As to Pascoe - cmon teams have stuffed up in a huge way that gained premierships which didn’t cost them major heads to drop.

Pascoe is one of the best things to have happened to the Wests Tigers, lets hope our sponsor heads up a legal support to fight this one.

That has been covered by Wests in their statement. The role was offered to Robbie by Pascoe as he believed Farah had been screwed over by Taylor and the board. There was no intent of gain by Wests or Pascoe - in a way it was offering the olive branch for all the rubbish that happened.

You’re missing the point that we actually gained a financial salary cap advantage when he left us. If that occured we stuffed up.

We gained no advantage as a result of the post playing deal. Farah was leaving irrespective as we were paying out a large amount of the contract. The issue is the club went to the NRL for some relief on reputation grounds for the release and then did a deal to bring him back in an off field capacity.

I don’t agree with the NRL Farah was a locker room issue with the coaches at the time but still an asset off the field. This will get messy it has holes all over it. Farah will probably come out and publicly decline the offer.

What happens then there is no deal and he wasn’t induced to sign on at a lower contract price because the deal was in place.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think we need a rally…

If it promises to turn violent and we get to burn NRL HQ to the ground , count me in !

Just make sure Greenberg and his crony mates are still inside lads :imp:

 

[happy_tiger]

Hi All,

I have posted this in the support Justin topic. Would people get behind a petition?

My experience with WT fans so far makes we wonder if I should bother. We tend to better keyboard warriors than actual real world supporters. Please give your honest view. I have seen petitions change laws so don't bother writing that a successful petition won't work. It will. The two questions are, would you support it; eg share it, sms friends etc.
and… are you a word smith and can express our cause in a more effective way.

Potential wording

**We demand Justice for Justin**

Todd Greenburg has wronged Justin Pascoe, CEO of Wests Tigers

* We reject big punishments for paperwork issues
\

* We reject attempts to distract us from the Roostering that is happening to the Salary cap.
\

* We reject the treatment of a true gentleman of the game
\

* We reject the over the top fines to Wests Tigers

Reinstate Justin immediately as CEO of Wests Tigers

**We demand Justice for Justin.**

Where is the petition , I will personally hand deliver it personally and staple the bastard of a thing to Greenberg eyeballs so he can read it up close and personal like

My advice to Todd would be to top up his life insurance or get a lot of security

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Hi All,

I have posted this in the support Justin topic. Would people get behind a petition?

My experience with WT fans so far makes we wonder if I should bother. We tend to better keyboard warriors than actual real world supporters. Please give your honest view. I have seen petitions change laws so don't bother writing that a successful petition won't work. It will. The two questions are, would you support it; eg share it, sms friends etc.
and… are you a word smith and can express our cause in a more effective way.

Potential wording

**We demand Justice for Justin**

Todd Greenburg has wronged Justin Pascoe, CEO of Wests Tigers

* We reject big punishments for paperwork issues
\

* We reject attempts to distract us from the Roostering that is happening to the Salary cap.
\

* We reject the treatment of a true gentleman of the game
\

* We reject the over the top fines to Wests Tigers

Reinstate Justin immediately as CEO of Wests Tigers

**We demand Justice for Justin.**

Where is the petition , I will personally hand deliver it personally and staple the bastard of a thing to Greenberg eyeballs so he can read it up close and personal like

My advice to Todd would be to top up his life insurance or get a lot of security

Not sure if its the same one but I saw this one with almost 1300 signed. More of a fire greenburg one..

https://www.change.org/p/australian-rugby-league-commission-fire-todd-greenberg

 

[philgood]

A heavy handed approach and complete over reaction by greenburg and the NRL.

I support Justin 100%

 

[happy_tiger]

Hi All,

I have posted this in the support Justin topic. Would people get behind a petition?

My experience with WT fans so far makes we wonder if I should bother. We tend to better keyboard warriors than actual real world supporters. Please give your honest view. I have seen petitions change laws so don't bother writing that a successful petition won't work. It will. The two questions are, would you support it; eg share it, sms friends etc.
and… are you a word smith and can express our cause in a more effective way.

Potential wording

**We demand Justice for Justin**

Todd Greenburg has wronged Justin Pascoe, CEO of Wests Tigers

* We reject big punishments for paperwork issues
\

* We reject attempts to distract us from the Roostering that is happening to the Salary cap.
\

* We reject the treatment of a true gentleman of the game
\

* We reject the over the top fines to Wests Tigers

Reinstate Justin immediately as CEO of Wests Tigers

**We demand Justice for Justin.**

Where is the petition , I will personally hand deliver it personally and staple the bastard of a thing to Greenberg eyeballs so he can read it up close and personal like

My advice to Todd would be to top up his life insurance or get a lot of security

Not sure if its the same one but I saw this one with almost 1300 signed. More of a fire greenburg one..

https://www.change.org/p/australian-rugby-league-commission-fire-todd-greenberg

Thanks TT

If you need a delivery person …....you know who to call...........I can be inexplainably clumsy at times .......you get the drift

 

[Plato]

No harm, no foul. Who has been harmed? No-one. Was there an intention to harm? No. Has an opposition club been disadvantaged? No. Have we manipulated a financial gain? No. Other than having hurt the feelings of the NRL for not keeping them in the loop, there has been no harm done. Boo effing hoo. If Pascoe had conspired to cheat the system with a post career agreement in favour of Farah that may, or may not have been signed, does anyone really think he would be stupid enough to bring it to attention by requesting an exemption? I'm confident that Pascoe at least thought he was doing everything by the books, but Greenberg only gets to keep his job and look after his mates by making the salary cap and TPA's as complex as humanly possible.

 

[Seantice]

Are the Tigers in the wrong? Yes. Though this punishment is way over the top.

I think the main thing that makes my blood boil is the fact Greenturd commonly speaks about the 'Integrity' of the game.

How the hell is the Integrity of the game being accomplished when the Storm and Broncos have 2m TPAS put together? How can the roosters have a side that has 3/4 internationals? How can Cameron Smith get a testimonial match two years before he retires where he gets to keep a good amount of the profit?

According to Greentird this is all above board..

Honestly you should do a rally. Get this twit and Beatie kicked out before the NRL has no more supporters left.

 

[weststigers]

Generally speaking, cap rorting is done systematically and over a long period of time across a number of contracts WHILE THE PLAYERS ARE PLAYING FOR THE CLUB.

We offered Farah a token gesture…which, in my opinion, was an olive branch and the right thing to do as he was slagging the club in the media at the time.

Pascoe had no idea Farah was coming back to the club to play at that stage.

I just don't see how one "breach" justifies such a heavy punishment.

Manly's breach involved 15 players over 5 years, at a total of $1.5 million. Their fine was $750k and $660k salary cap penalty.

How is our situation even close to this?

 

[Seantice]

Spot on mate. One off issue that had no effect on us because he was leaving anyway. Yet we get fined more than manly who cheated over the cap a few times??

Your kidding us if this isn't just a media strength approach that shows the NRL won't tolerate this. If you idiots got rid of TPAs and publicised all players salaries we wouldn't be in this mess. The NRL are the ones accountable for this farce.

We have a legend working for us after he retires that will gain us memberships, fans and new sponsors yet we are being punished. TPAs doesn't matter though right? What's crock of s…...

 

[Seantice]

The more I have read of this the more I feel we can get a vastly reduced punishment or get off all together..

1\. Punishment for not notifying of Farah's contract post career + not taking the contract out of the salary cap.

- The contract was organised when Robbie was going to South's. Absolutely nothing to do with our cap if they are playing elsewhere. (Would love to see the dates of both contracts).

2\. We apparently paid 750k of 900k (South's chipped in the rest. So we paid him out and its all above board. )
We then ask the NRL for salary cap relief because Farah was a destabilizing player, (which he was). Unsure if we received this exception. NRL are dirty at us for asking this while having a post career contract ready to go. However even if we did the NRL must realise that Robbie Farah the player and Robbie Farah the club legend, all time great, sponsorship generator is completely different.

We asked for exception for Robbie Farah on the basis he was a destabilizing presence on the field (which he was). We offered a contract post career on the off field where he won't be a destabilizing presence as he was that year.

So if this contract post career was signed after Farah signed with South's, the NRL has not got a foot too stand on.

I'd like to point out I'm annoyed at our own front office and their decisions. I think it was all done in good faith, just not professionally.

I also like to point out the massive fine we received that equates to more than Manly and nearly as much as Cronulla even though their issues have been ongoing with various indiscretions.

Perhaps Greenburg wants one or both of us to relocate? Perhaps he wants the storyline off the court cases? Whatever the reason the Tigers should stick it to them.

The punishment does not fit the crime. The only crime here is the NRLs incompetence.

 

[innsaneink]

I have read elsewhere due to the outcry over past lenient punishments to other clubs theyve decided to get tougher and we just happen to be first in line…fwiw

We say "If we cant beat em, join em" ...so this is what we get
The politics and un-eveness in this game is disgusting