OFFICIAL Pathways - KOE General Discussion

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batboy said:
I'm sure there's plenty of measurables - Performance, Culture and Marketing...
After all, 10-15 years ago most reserve grade sides had a different feeder team club.
Now there's barely any.

My point is based purely on common sense.
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totally agree with your 1st 3 lines
 
batboy said:
I'm sure there's plenty of measurables - Performance, Culture and Marketing...
After all, 10-15 years ago most reserve grade sides had a different feeder team club.
Now there's barely any.

My point is based purely on common sense.
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Melbourne Storm, Broncos, Cowboys, Titans, Sharks, Tigers all still do
 
Demps said:
Thoughts on Luke Jack ?

Kid had a decent game on the weekend.

Junior maroons rep in 2022.
Played a few games in Q cup for the Blackhawks.

Hes down as a lock but played backrow for us.
Seems on the smaller side though at 179cm tall.
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I’ve watched him a few times, he always has a red hot crack, but lack of size and just average speed likely to be reasons that prevent him from progressing.
 
IronFist said:
That's quite the emotional reply. An argument framed in the guise of an AM shock jock - all bluster, accusations, but very little substance.

I said 'beware of making blanket statements about a coach's ability.' If in your opinion that's an iron-clad defence, then I don't know how you get through your day with such a poor level of comprehension. There are a tonne of variables when it comes to performances in team sports. Even more so at the lower levels.

Reread the posts: I said I disagreed with your one sentence claim that the team was good, whereas most posts I've read here align more with my thinking that it's not. I provided a detailed breakdown of why I think that's the case. In particular, there is very little forwards depth in the top 30/dev group, and the club plays with no top 30/dev halves (apart from 1 game with Galvin which was an extraordinary event, and another with the injury prone Latu Fainu).

Even Canterbury (your example), regularly had a spine earlier in the season of Taafe, O'Neill, Hutchison, Turpin - and a pack with Morrin, Smith, Todd, & Mau'ui. And the top clubs in the comp are the same. They're stacked with top 30/dev players in reserve grade. Bulldogs have a bunch of no-names this week because their top forwards are either injured/suspended/or in origin camp. Furthermore, I explained in another post that they have implemented a 'development system' through the know-how of Gould and Ciraldo who have done it all before at Penrith. They've practically turned over their entire top 30/dev/pathways rosters in three seasons, and implemented a genuine development system beginning at NRL.

I went through the performance of the WT's grades over the past few seasons which has shown that no matter the coach, it has largely been underwhelming. How you see that as only each of the individual coaches fault, and not the club underperforming as a whole, is surprising. Firstly, it's the club that manages the process of appointing coaches. Secondly, it's the club that recruits players too. Finally, my belief is coaches in development grades shouldn't be dictating the team's system, or even selecting teams without proper oversight from a key figure in the club who manages the development of players. If as you have written, the opposite is what is happening, then why are you negatively choosing to attack coaches rather than positively advocating for an overhaul of the entire operation?

You even brought up a disparaging rumour of coaches in the lower grades. That's extremely poor form. If the club let a Mattys or Ball coach pick teams unfettered, then you have unintentionally proven my point that the development structure in the club was/is broken.

Have a read of @Jolls deep dive on the topic. Excellent stuff. That was exactly the type of thought-provoking analysis of what is required at the club. But it's all too hard. Let's just abuse all the 'failed' development coaches that come through the joint. It'll be the same narrative every season until the club genuinely invests resources from the top-down.
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You’re litterally arguing with yourself ! I’ve already said the same thing 3 times . I don’t agree . Make all the excuses you want Aaron , you’ll be back in NQ next year .
 
IronFist said:
You should have also said that you’re 12 years old. That I can understand.
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And you have the audacity to claim I’m being immature , and emotional lol .
The coaches in our pathways are not developing talent . I’m sure the club is a major part in this issue , but each coach has to be accountable for thier performances . Especially at jersey flegg level , as there’s abundant talent that ls comparable to other clubs filtering through this grade .
As they push through to KOE they should be developed and matured better than they are .
You referenced top 30 talent amongst other clubs as a reference for reason our coaches are under performing . Where as most of that talent , have moved into these grades in the last couple of years and as such have developed into this level .
WHICH IS MY WHOLE POINT . They didn’t just magically appear at that level one day . They were developed by the coaches as they progressed through . Including KOE . Which as I said in my post , due to the transient nature of that level , is a crucial stage in development .
whether it’s the coaching throughput from nrl level filtering down through the grades , or the lack of talent in the coaches themselves , either way , there’s issues . And 2 years at the bottom of KOE simply isn’t good enough.
If Benji is not providing clear instructions throughout the grades . Tell him that . There has to be consistency . But to to blame it on that is bullshit , as each coach would surely have enough latitude within those structures . And to this I say , that’s where we are failing .
So like I said Aaron . It’s not good enough , and 2 years is more than enough time at that level to see change . Or at least progress
 
Merlot said:
agree it was a faze and now its not
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I think ‘trend’ would be a better word than “faze”

And as we know, in rugby league things go in cycles.
I think the trend will return.

For example, remember when reducing teams was all the go (the very reason why Western Suburbs & Balmain were so crudely nail gunned together) - and yet now, the game is expanding like there’s no tomorrow.

Funny game rugby league 🤔
 
Bus 2 Terrigal said:
I think ‘trend’ would be a better word than “faze”

And as we know, in rugby league things go in cycles.
I think the trend will return.

For example, remember when reducing teams was all the go (the very reason why Western Suburbs & Balmain were so crudely nail gunned together) - and yet now, the game is expanding like there’s no tomorrow.

Funny game rugby league 🤔
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I think the future will show we're closer to having 3 uniform grades
(maybe even on game day) than we are to outsourcing our feeder teams.
Everyone tries to insert the Q Cup for reference.... Very different landscape.
(Not as many teams in the NRL and that's been the Primary comp in QLD since forever)

Everyone in the game is screaming for National Reserve Grade and a 20's Comp - Especially with more teams coming in and more money into the game... Promoting the development of Juniors through the Grades to NRL (Which has been neglected for some time) will be a much bigger focus.
 
batboy said:
I think the future will show we're closer to having 3 uniform grades
(maybe even on game day) than we are to outsourcing our feeder teams.
Everyone tries to insert the Q Cup for reference.... Very different landscape.
(Not as many teams in the NRL and that's been the Primary comp in QLD since forever)

Everyone in the game is screaming for National Reserve Grade and a 20's Comp - Especially with more teams coming in and more money into the game... Promoting the development of Juniors through the Grades to NRL (Which has been neglected for some time) will be a much bigger focus.
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Flegg kicking off at midday, NSW Cup at 1.30 and NRL at 3 ... now where did I come up with that idea 🤔

Anyone for leather footballs ?
 
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Vaka Aho & Brandon Tumeth named to line up for Ryde-Eastwood in the Ron Massey Cup on Sunday.

Strange that Aho goes from a starting middle in NSW Cup a few weeks ago and, after sitting out 3 weeks with injury, finds himself behind Tanner & Momoisea.
 
Roar_Power said:
KOE needs an overhaul starting with Aaron Payne.
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It’s easy to blame the coach.
The results have been poor for a while now.
Payne’s been coach since the start of last year.
Wests are currently second last after being spooners last year.
In 2023 we finished third last, in 2022 we were second last.
Last time we played semi’s was 2018 (remembering 2020 & 2021 were abandoned due to COVID - we were 2nd in 2021 when they pulled the pin).
 
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Bus 2 Terrigal said:
It’s easy to blame the coach.
The results have been poor for a while now.
Payne’s been coach since the start of last year.
Wests are currently second last after being spooners last year.
In 2023 we finished third last, in 2022 we were second last.
Last time we played semi’s was 2018 (remembering 2020 & 2021 were abandoned due to COVID - we were 2nd in 2021 when they pulled the pin).
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I don't rate Payne, but in his defence he's had to deal with vastly different teams every week.
Last game was one of the few occasions we put a KOE strength side on the field.
I also assume that he has very little input into who gets picked and where they play, I would presume team selection is based on what the NRL coaches want to see.
 
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