OFFICIAL Pathways - KOE General Discussion

[terriaa]

Player of the match, he deserved it. Thought Geyer was going to get binned then Hope was. What an awful second half. That's their finals run over. Disappointing.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Dreadful 2nd half, 0-36. That performance ends our top 5 hopes. Lack of professionalism, discipline & concentration compared to a Bears team full of desire, effort & structure.

Handling errors on 1st tackles, at the scrum & from high kicks summed it up.

Something needs to change with our defensive structure at our club. Nearly every time the opposition runs a deep backline with the fullback adding the extra man, they create an overlap. Our left side particularly the connection between Ethan Roberts, Javon Andrews & Solo Saukuru was abysmal in the 2nd half.

Just looking at the 1st half, Bunty Afoa put in a huge 1st stint, Solo Saukuru made 3 or 4 tackle-busting runs, Faingaa was strong, Mason was dangerous & Hope was all-effort in defence.

But once things went against us in the end half, we capitulated. Lack of connection, discipline & concentration - club wide issue. Hope lost his head late & was binned. Mason was terrible on the last line.

Just dreadul 40 mins. Maybe can give a point to Afoa, Broederlow & Fainga'a, that's about it.

So disappointing but it seems that wherever Hope goes the team lose it in the middle and if you put high kicks to Mason he drops them and starts being terrible in defence .. Mason a bit of a flat track bully

 

[Tigerstigerstigers]

Dreadful 2nd half, 0-36. That performance ends our top 5 hopes. Lack of professionalism, discipline & concentration compared to a Bears team full of desire, effort & structure.

Handling errors on 1st tackles, at the scrum & from high kicks summed it up.

Something needs to change with our defensive structure at our club. Nearly every time the opposition runs a deep backline with the fullback adding the extra man, they create an overlap. Our left side particularly the connection between Ethan Roberts, Javon Andrews & Solo Saukuru was abysmal in the 2nd half.

Just looking at the 1st half, Bunty Afoa put in a huge 1st stint, Solo Saukuru made 3 or 4 tackle-busting runs, Faingaa was strong, Mason was dangerous & Hope was all-effort in defence.

But once things went against us in the end half, we capitulated. Lack of connection, discipline & concentration - club wide issue. Hope lost his head late & was binned. Mason was terrible on the last line.

Just dreadul 40 mins. Maybe can give a point to Afoa, Broederlow & Fainga'a, that's about it.

agree. one aspect i could not understand, having Hope playing in the halves or lock (not sure which), the same time Murray, Andrews and Lisles were all on the field. Seemed to be getting in each others way and Andrews got little good ball, too many small guys in defence.

 

[wstigers11]

Dreadful 2nd half, 0-36. That performance ends our top 5 hopes. Lack of professionalism, discipline & concentration compared to a Bears team full of desire, effort & structure.

Handling errors on 1st tackles, at the scrum & from high kicks summed it up.

Something needs to change with our defensive structure at our club. Nearly every time the opposition runs a deep backline with the fullback adding the extra man, they create an overlap. Our left side particularly the connection between Ethan Roberts, Javon Andrews & Solo Saukuru was abysmal in the 2nd half.

Just looking at the 1st half, Bunty Afoa put in a huge 1st stint, Solo Saukuru made 3 or 4 tackle-busting runs, Faingaa was strong, Mason was dangerous & Hope was all-effort in defence.

But once things went against us in the end half, we capitulated. Lack of connection, discipline & concentration - club wide issue. Hope lost his head late & was binned. Mason was terrible on the last line.

Just dreadul 40 mins. Maybe can give a point to Afoa, Broederlow & Fainga'a, that's about it.

Mate when I said the defensive structures were wrong at the club I was told it was just personnel missing in firsts, well it can’t be because it’s through all grades. It’s held this team back from winning more games this year. Edges stripped way too easy

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

So disappointing but it seems that wherever Hope goes the team lose it in the middle and if you out high lkickw to Mason he drops them and starts being terrible in defence .. Mason a bit of a flat track bully

That 2nd half showed the deficiencies in many of our depth players atm.

-Mason, not NRL standard I'm afraid, should not be extended.

-Saukuru, can see why his defence at centre is holding him back. Very poor connection with his inside men.

-Andrews, has got it in spades, just needs to continue to work on his connection in defence with his backrower & centre.

-Ethan Roberts, no where near NRL ready atm with his defence, needs to work on his tank, contact & connection. A Roberts/Andrews defensive combination is too inexperienced even in NSW Cup.

-Hope, Geyer, Murray, goodbye, NSW Cup standard at best.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Mate when I said the defensive structures were wrong at the club I was told it was just personnel missing in firsts, well it can’t be because it’s through all grades. It’s held this team back from winning more games this year. Edges stripped way too easy

I'm the same. Our personnel at NSW Cup level should be stripped like that. It's coaching 1st & foremost.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

I'm off for a run to cool down.

This club infuriates me when they dish up absolute cr*p like that in one half of football with everything to play for.

I blame the coaching & management of players, first & foremost now. Benji needs help & direction on what works in today's game.

 

[wstigers11]

That 2nd half showed the deficiencies in many of our depth players atm.

-Mason, not NRL standard I'm afraid, should not be extended.

-Saukuru, can see why his defence at centre is holding him back. Very poor connection with his inside men.

-Andrews, has got it in spades, just needs to continue to work on his connection in defence with his backrower & centre.

-Ethan Roberts, no where near NRL ready atm with his defence, needs to work on his tank, contact & connection. A Roberts/Andrews defensive combination is too inexperienced even in NSW Cup.

-Hope, Geyer, Murray, goodbye, NSW Cup standard at best.

With you on your assessments

 

[Vicious]

I'm the same. Our personnel at NSW Cup level should be stripped like that. It's coaching 1st & foremost.

Are we possibly opting for too much size on our edges and forgetting about the athleticism required to defend well in these crucial positions?
The Bears look extremely well drilled and are coached by the Jersey Flegg coach we sacked mid season last year?
If you break it down to the basic fundamentals of player skill sets and attributes required for each position, the Bears have an ex 5/8 playing 13 who ball plays as crisply as anyone as their captain and regular 1st receiver.
They have a fullback who is very good at playing out the back of shape and runs onto the ball at top speed each time he does this, plus has great ball playing ability.
They have a very under rated as hard as nails hooker who is a hard hitting reliable defender and has slick service from dummy half.
They have two not overly big, but athletic edge 2nd rowers who run good lines, defend well and do not get tired.
Matt Stimson an ex centre is one that definitely should be in and around an NRL team.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

That 2nd half showed the deficiencies in many of our depth players atm.

-Mason, not NRL standard I'm afraid, should not be extended.

-Saukuru, can see why his defence at centre is holding him back. Very poor connection with his inside men.

-Andrews, has got it in spades, just needs to continue to work on his connection in defence with his backrower & centre.

-Ethan Roberts, no where near NRL ready atm with his defence, needs to work on his tank, contact & connection. A Roberts/Andrews defensive combination is too inexperienced even in NSW Cup.

-Hope, Geyer, Murray, goodbye, NSW Cup standard at best.

Javon seems very reluctant to lower his had to make a tackle , I’m thinking it may have something to do with his spinal injury in the past which would make it very understandable .. if he can be coached and trained to hit and tackle with better technique then he will be a very complete player .. but he needs help and coaching skills in this area and soon

 

[Bellend]

Yeah Saukuru will be a disappointing development loss if true.

I do think both Tupou & Tavana have potential even if Tupou has been more exposed to NRL in recent seasons. I think maturity & experience will enhance his game.

Tavana was thrown in too early off impressive pre-season form. He has exceptional natural ability but a few flaws in his game and his body is still developing as a medium-seized winger. Should have just been developed with a full season in NSW Cup this season and a big year in the gym - he is noticably putting on size through this year.

I do hope Benji & staff are seriously looking at Vaka Aho, Fio Fainga'a, Mitch Taotua & Bailey Hodges out of those outside our NRL system, as at the very least, pre-season Train & Trialists like Tino Tavana was last pre-season.

BWG Junior T could not cut it at the dolphins and the roosters where happy when he left
he is a reserve grade talent with the odd good game in First grade.

Tavana,Vaka Aho, Fio Fainga'a, Mitch Taotua & Bailey Hodges need a big off season and are more than worth preserving with.

 

[Bellend]

I'm the same. Our personnel at NSW Cup level should be stripped like that. It's coaching 1st & foremost.

It is a bad defensive structure that is through the Tigers grades.

need the old fashioned sand pit tackling sessions.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Are we possibly opting for too much size on our edges and forgetting about the athleticism required to defend well in these crucial positions?
The Bears look extremely well drilled and are coached by the Jersey Flegg coach we sacked mid season last year?
If you break it down to the basic fundamentals of player skill sets and attributes required for each position, the Bears have an ex 5/8 playing 13 who ball plays as crisply as anyone as their captain and regular 1st receiver.
They have a fullback who is very good at playing out the back of shape and runs onto the ball at top speed each time he does this, plus has great ball playing ability.
They have a very under rated as hard as nails hooker who is a hard hitting reliable defender and has slick service from dummy half.
They have two not overly big, but athletic edge 2nd rowers who run good lines, defend well and do not get tired.
Matt Stimson an ex centre is one that definitely should be in and around an NRL team.

Agree with your points V. That is the blueprint atm.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

It is a bad defensive structure that is through the Tigers grades.

need the old fashioned sand pit tackling sessions.

Watched the tries again to see where our lapses were in the 2nd half.

Amazingly 5 of the 6 tries scored by the Bears in the 2nd half were on our left edge with poor connection, slide speed & decision making between Roberts, Andrews, Saukuru & to a lesser extent Fainga’a on the wing (and one of those tries Josese Lanyon was out there beaten for speed by Toby). Watching the replay really showed how poor this edge was as all those tries should have been defended by a well-drilled & structured line.

The other try was a dummy half barge over which Mason was not strong enough to hold up but badly exposed by Geyer & Samuelu.

 

[Vicious]

Watched the tries again to see where our lapses were in the 2nd half.

Amazingly 5 of the 6 tries scored by the Bears in the 2nd half were on our left edge with poor connection, slide speed & decision making between Roberts, Andrews, Saukuru & to a lesser extent Fainga’a on the wing (and one of those tries Josese Lanyon was out there beaten for speed by Toby). Watching the replay really showed how poor this edge was as all those tries should have been defended by a well-drilled & structured line.

The other try was a dummy half barge over which Mason was not strong enough to hold up but badly exposed by Geyer & Samuelu.

It’s a worry not only for the players you have pointed out who were exposed today, but it happens all too often throughout our 3 senior grades.
The big concern is it is more of a failure to identify being outnumbered as well as a failure to slide laterally quickly enough to solve the problem moreso than a lack of ability to defend one on one on the edges,
So for whatever reason, any video being done to highlight these issues is for some reason not sinking in.

 

[innsaneink]

I'm off for a run to cool down.

This club infuriates me when they dish up absolute cr*p like that in one half of football with everything to play for.

I blame the coaching & management of players, first & foremost now. Benji needs help & direction on what works in today's game.

Was Benji there today?

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

Watched the tries again to see where our lapses were in the 2nd half.

Amazingly 5 of the 6 tries scored by the Bears in the 2nd half were on our left edge with poor connection, slide speed & decision making between Roberts, Andrews, Saukuru & to a lesser extent Fainga’a on the wing (and one of those tries Josese Lanyon was out there beaten for speed by Toby). Watching the replay really showed how poor this edge was as all those tries should have been defended by a well-drilled & structured line.

The other try was a dummy half barge over which Mason was not strong enough to hold up but badly exposed by Geyer & Samuelu.

That comes down to poor coaching…..

 

[Muffstar]

It’s a worry not only for the players you have pointed out who were exposed today, but it happens all too often throughout our 3 senior grades.
The big concern is it is more of a failure to identify being outnumbers as well as a failure to slide laterally quickly enough to solve the problem moreso than a lack of ability to defend one on one on the edges,
So for whatever reason, any video being done to highlight these issues is for some reason not sinking in.

Wasn't the Reserve Grade coach only part time to start with ? Or did I hear that wrong?

Personally imo it would have to be a full time job as I am not sure how all grades can be coached in such a way so that players can move up and slot in straight away just like Penrith and Storm.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

It’s a worry not only for the players you have pointed out who were exposed today, but it happens all too often throughout our 3 senior grades.
The big concern is it is more of a failure to identify being outnumbers as well as a failure to slide laterally quickly enough to solve the problem moreso than a lack of ability to defend one on one on the edges,
So for whatever reason, any video being done to highlight these issues is for some reason not sinking in.

Yeah I think so too. Without knowing how they are coached, it’s hard to pinpoint who is or are the weaknesses on this edge. I do think Saukuru needed to jam a few times when he didn’t but maybe Andrews didn’t give him a cue to. Regardless the lack of connection between these 4 cost us big time. And, as you say, the coaching is not sinking in.

 

[innsaneink]

Wasn't the Reserve Grade coach only part time to start with ? Or did I hear that wrong?

Personally imo it would have to be a full time job as I am not sure how all grades can be coached in such a way so that players can move up and slot in straight away just like Penrith and Storm.

SM said in his thread a few weeks back the reserves coach had been upped to f/t...but was p/t for most of the year